Manny Pacquiao just beat the crap out of Jeff Horn in Australia, Horn's home country, and LOST a unanimous decision to the guy.
Absolute robbery. Geez...pathetic

Looked to me like Pac lost to me. Pac was missing A LOT. Teddy was like OH GREAT MISSES BY PAC! OH TERRIBLE GLANCING SHOTS BY HORN! The other commentator really said it all "I think it is closer than we think" meaning, I don't want to disagree with Teddy but it seems like Teddy is blinded by the name and not what is happening.

Also, they were both really bad, any decent fighter should have knocked either of them out.

Teddy was certainly a homer but there's no way in hell Horn won that fight. None. Outside of the head butts.
Pacquiao landed twice the punches and had the guy knocked out in the 9th. Pathetic.

I will agree the 117-111 judge was out of his mind. If Pac had won 115-113 I would have agreed, if Horn had won 115-113 I would have agreed, but the 117-111 was not the same fight I saw.

117-111 means Horn only lost three rounds.

GTFO.

Horn did not win this.

Pacquiao was never hurt in the entire fight, other than the two head butts the ref actually called. Everyone was shocked. Just a crooked sport.

(07-02-2017 12:14 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  117-111 means Horn only lost three rounds.

GTFO.

Horn did not win this.

Hell, I think Horn may have won 3 rounds, maybe. Pathetic.

The problem with compupunch is they don't break it down by round. Pac landed a lot of punches in a few rounds. Round 9 he landed around 20 or so punches more than Horn. There is a good 20 punch jump in just one round. There were atleast 3 rounds where Pac landed a lot more punches than Horn. Unfortunately for Pac, you still only win 3 rounds with all those extra punches.

(07-02-2017 12:16 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  

Wow. Just wow. Just criminal, really.

I do agree with Atlas that the better fighters in boxing would have knocked Horn out. Horn is not a good fighter. Pac has aged too much. He was missing so many opportunities. I also think the same fighters that would have knocked Horn out this fight would have also knocked Pac out.

Like other people are saying, after the 9th round, Horn won atleast 10th and 12th and probably 11th. That is, no doubt, 2 rounds and possibly 3 out of the last 3 rounds.

Regardless of eroded skills, young inexperienced fighter, etc. etc. Jeff Horn did not win that fight.

Horn won 1, 6, 10, and 12 without much argument.

Paq won 8 and 9.

The rest were all tossups with a decent argument made for either.

In no way was this a robbery.

I saw Horn winning 1,2,6,10,11, and 12 and could easily be ok with any of 3,4,5, and 7 being scored for him.

And as for the compubox stuff, that is suspicious as hell. As to what (whomever) is chosen to be a landed punch.

As an intellectual exercise, go watch just round 1 and count how many punches you think Horn landed. Then check out compubox's "number" for what they tallied for him.

(07-02-2017 12:22 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  Like other people are saying, after the 9th round, Horn won atleast 10th and 12th and probably 11th. That is, no doubt, 2 rounds and possibly 3 out of the last 3 rounds.

Yeah, it isn't outrageous at all to see Horn winning 10, 11, and 12. Horn damn near undoubtedly won round 1. That's four rounds already that aren't even controversial that Horn can be objectively seen as winning.

That means he only needs three out of the other eight rounds to have a win.

Certainly isn't a stretch.

(07-03-2017 11:58 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 12:22 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  Like other people are saying, after the 9th round, Horn won atleast 10th and 12th and probably 11th. That is, no doubt, 2 rounds and possibly 3 out of the last 3 rounds.

Yeah, it isn't outrageous at all to see Horn winning 10, 11, and 12. Horn damn near undoubtedly won round 1. That's four rounds already that aren't even controversial that Horn can be objectively seen as winning.

That means he only needs three out of the other eight rounds to have a win.

Certainly isn't a stretch.

I agree. It appeared to me that folks were putting too much credit on Pac's 9th. But that's only 1 round.

I would have been okay with either fighter winning.

(07-02-2017 12:04 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  Looked to me like Pac lost to me. Pac was missing A LOT

Which fight were you watching?

If Pac was missing a lot, what did Horn do punch stat wise?






Pac won EVERY stat:

(07-03-2017 02:25 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 12:04 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  Looked to me like Pac lost to me. Pac was missing A LOT

Which fight were you watching?

If Pac was missing a lot, what did Horn do punch stat wise?






Pac won EVERY stat:

Compupunch has been proven wrong too many times to base a win or loss on those stats. They are doing it as the fight happens, when they go back and review, usually those numbers are greatly different.

I agree with Saluki. I had it 3-3 after the 6th. If Horn won 10,11,12 (most agree he absolutely won 10 and 12) that would be 6 rounds for Horn.

http://theboxingtribune.com/2011/01/20/c...r-fiction/

Compubox, unlike amateur boxing, only uses two people and, to be honest, less seems better in this instance and I use the amateur system to highlight what is basic human error when recording punches live. Compubox have two people seated at ringside and recording the punches – sounds easy! But you have a restricted view at points in the fight, so can’t possibly see what punches were landed all the time. The ref may get his big old butt in the way, as some do annoyingly get in the way of the camera sometime.

(07-03-2017 02:25 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 12:04 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  Looked to me like Pac lost to me. Pac was missing A LOT

Which fight were you watching?

If Pac was missing a lot, what did Horn do punch stat wise?




Pac won EVERY stat:

a) Boxing isn't judged by cumulative stats. It is judged on a round by round basis with each round viewed without respect to any prior rounds.

b) Boxing isn't judged by "who looks worse" or whether the ref "almost stopped the fight."

c) Again, as for the compubox....seriously go watch Round 1 and count the number of punches you think Horn landed.



I count anywhere between 20 to 25.

After you watch, go see what compubox counted: http://www.boxingscene.com/manny-pacquia...ts--118132