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RE: Robbery in Australia
(07-05-2017 02:02 PM)CUSA_NEWS Wrote:  Jeff Horn shows the scars of victory after Manny Pacquiao epic


Man this dude got his arse BEAT!

Dude looking like the high-def re-make of the Elephant Man!


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So according to that article the only mark on Horn came from an accidental headbutt.

An accidental head clash midway through the fight opened a cut over Horn’s right eye.

On the other hand....

But Horn wasn’t alone in suffering punishment.
Defeated champion Manny Pacquiao also walked away masked in blood. He suffered two cuts as a result of accidental head clashes with the Australian.
At least Horn fronted the cameras, Pacquiao’s post-fight press conference was abandoned.

Pac didnt attend the post-fight press conference.

Horn required 7 stitches. Pac had 18 stitches. Not sure if that picture you posted was actually a post-Horn picture.

Pacquiao’s promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank has said he thought Pacquiao won but wasn’t calling it a robbery, saying he could see it as a close decision win for either fighter. Pacquiao’s trainer Freddie Roach called it a “pretty close fight” and lamented Pacquiao’s inability to finish off Horn following a one-sided ninth round.
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If you were truly curious, memtigbb, you'd do a simple search and find post fight pics and video of Pac.

Yea. He required stitches to cuts in his scalp due to headbutts.

Btw, the pic shown below is of Paq laughing in the background as Horn attempted to explain why he felt he won the fight...


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I agree with CUSA on this one...Horn got the shiiiiiit beat out of him...it was a ridiculous decision.
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(07-06-2017 05:29 PM)450bench Wrote:  I agree with CUSA on this one...Horn got the shiiiiiit beat out of him...it was a ridiculous decision.

The fact that you are agreeing with CUSA should cause you to question your opinion.
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(07-06-2017 07:45 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 05:29 PM)450bench Wrote:  I agree with CUSA on this one...Horn got the shiiiiiit beat out of him...it was a ridiculous decision.

The fact that you are agreeing with CUSA should cause you to question your opinion.

Lol. + 3 for you. But I'm not changing my opinion.
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RE: Robbery in Australia
Paq won the fight. It might not have been a total blow out, but he won the fight. He landed a lot more punches, he almost ended the fight in the 9th with a TKO and he battered Horn's face. What more do you want?

I'll give Horn credit for being aggressive and not quitting after the 9th, but being aggressive doesn't get you points. You actually have to land punches, as Teddy Atlas pointed out.

I don't want to waste a minute arguing this . If you think Horn won the fight, you don't know boxing, at least not in my opinion. So there's nothing for the two of us to talk about.
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(07-10-2017 02:36 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Paq won the fight. It might not have been a total blow out, but he won the fight. He landed a lot more punches, he almost ended the fight in the 9th with a TKO and he battered Horn's face. What more do you want?

I'll give Horn credit for being aggressive and not quitting after the 9th, but being aggressive doesn't get you points. You actually have to land punches, as Teddy Atlas pointed out.

I don't want to waste a minute arguing this . If you think Horn won the fight, you don't know boxing, at least not in my opinion. So there's nothing for the two of us to talk about.

You obviously (and others above) don't understand boxing if you think winners are determined by a person hurting another in a singular round. Or if you go by "compubox" numbers that are completely subjective and virtually impossible to rely upon. (Again, go to my previous post and count Horn's punches and see what compubox counted).

I have yet to hear the simple answer to this:

People with a neutral eye on the fight should be able to agree on two ideas:

1) Paq clearly won rounds 8 and 9.
2) Horn won 1, 6, 10, and 12.

That leaves rounds 2,3,4,5,7, and 11 as rounds that were all about 50/50 and no more than 55/45 either way--that is decent arguments could be made for one over the other, but giving the round to the other wouldn't be outlandish.

I saw Horn continuing his momentum from round 1 into round 2. I would have given 2 to Horn mostly because Horn continued to press the action he started in 1.

I would have also given 11 to Horn. Sort of for the same reason. He won 10 and continued what made him successful in 10 into round 11.

That is six rounds for Horn. I also could be swayed to see Horn picking up any of 3,4,5, or 7. Wound't be outlandish. Grabbing any of those rounds AND giving Pac a 10-8 round in 9 would have made it 114-113 Horn. Which is not ridiculous. But neither would have been 115-113 Paq. I could have seen that too.

Boxing is judged on a round by round basis, not a cumulative "Oh I think this guy won because the other guy had a swollen eye." And that's what I keep hearing from the folks that say how much they "know" about boxing.
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(07-10-2017 03:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 02:36 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Paq won the fight. It might not have been a total blow out, but he won the fight. He landed a lot more punches, he almost ended the fight in the 9th with a TKO and he battered Horn's face. What more do you want?

I'll give Horn credit for being aggressive and not quitting after the 9th, but being aggressive doesn't get you points. You actually have to land punches, as Teddy Atlas pointed out.

I don't want to waste a minute arguing this . If you think Horn won the fight, you don't know boxing, at least not in my opinion. So there's nothing for the two of us to talk about.

You obviously (and others above) don't understand boxing if you think winners are determined by a person hurting another in a singular round. Or if you go by "compubox" numbers that are completely subjective and virtually impossible to rely upon. (Again, go to my previous post and count Horn's punches and see what compubox counted).

I have yet to hear the simple answer to this:

People with a neutral eye on the fight should be able to agree on two ideas:

1) Paq clearly won rounds 8 and 9.
2) Horn won 1, 6, 10, and 12.

That leaves rounds 2,3,4,5,7, and 11 as rounds that were all about 50/50 and no more than 55/45 either way--that is decent arguments could be made for one over the other, but giving the round to the other wouldn't be outlandish.

I saw Horn continuing his momentum from round 1 into round 2. I would have given 2 to Horn mostly because Horn continued to press the action he started in 1.

I would have also given 11 to Horn. Sort of for the same reason. He won 10 and continued what made him successful in 10 into round 11.

That is six rounds for Horn. I also could be swayed to see Horn picking up any of 3,4,5, or 7. Wound't be outlandish. Grabbing any of those rounds AND giving Pac a 10-8 round in 9 would have made it 114-113 Horn. Which is not ridiculous. But neither would have been 115-113 Paq. I could have seen that too.

Boxing is judged on a round by round basis, not a cumulative "Oh I think this guy won because the other guy had a swollen eye." And that's what I keep hearing from the folks that say how much they "know" about boxing.

Yeah, I keep hearing the "he ALMOST tko'd him in round 9, so therefore he won the fight". That is ridiculous. I have seen fighters be knocked down 3 times in a single round and still end up winning the fight (fortunately there was no 3 knockdown rule in those fights, also why I am against the 3 knockdown rule).
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(07-10-2017 03:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 02:36 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Paq won the fight. It might not have been a total blow out, but he won the fight. He landed a lot more punches, he almost ended the fight in the 9th with a TKO and he battered Horn's face. What more do you want?

I'll give Horn credit for being aggressive and not quitting after the 9th, but being aggressive doesn't get you points. You actually have to land punches, as Teddy Atlas pointed out.

I don't want to waste a minute arguing this . If you think Horn won the fight, you don't know boxing, at least not in my opinion. So there's nothing for the two of us to talk about.

You obviously (and others above) don't understand boxing if you think winners are determined by a person hurting another in a singular round. Or if you go by "compubox" numbers that are completely subjective and virtually impossible to rely upon. (Again, go to my previous post and count Horn's punches and see what compubox counted).

I have yet to hear the simple answer to this:

People with a neutral eye on the fight should be able to agree on two ideas:

1) Paq clearly won rounds 8 and 9.
2) Horn won 1, 6, 10, and 12.

That leaves rounds 2,3,4,5,7, and 11 as rounds that were all about 50/50 and no more than 55/45 either way--that is decent arguments could be made for one over the other, but giving the round to the other wouldn't be outlandish.

I saw Horn continuing his momentum from round 1 into round 2. I would have given 2 to Horn mostly because Horn continued to press the action he started in 1.

I would have also given 11 to Horn. Sort of for the same reason. He won 10 and continued what made him successful in 10 into round 11.

That is six rounds for Horn. I also could be swayed to see Horn picking up any of 3,4,5, or 7. Wound't be outlandish. Grabbing any of those rounds AND giving Pac a 10-8 round in 9 would have made it 114-113 Horn. Which is not ridiculous. But neither would have been 115-113 Paq. I could have seen that too.

Boxing is judged on a round by round basis, not a cumulative "Oh I think this guy won because the other guy had a swollen eye." And that's what I keep hearing from the folks that say how much they "know" about boxing.

Cool story, bro.

http://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/wbo...nt-change/
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RE: Robbery in Australia
(07-10-2017 04:17 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 03:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 02:36 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Paq won the fight. It might not have been a total blow out, but he won the fight. He landed a lot more punches, he almost ended the fight in the 9th with a TKO and he battered Horn's face. What more do you want?

I'll give Horn credit for being aggressive and not quitting after the 9th, but being aggressive doesn't get you points. You actually have to land punches, as Teddy Atlas pointed out.

I don't want to waste a minute arguing this . If you think Horn won the fight, you don't know boxing, at least not in my opinion. So there's nothing for the two of us to talk about.

You obviously (and others above) don't understand boxing if you think winners are determined by a person hurting another in a singular round. Or if you go by "compubox" numbers that are completely subjective and virtually impossible to rely upon. (Again, go to my previous post and count Horn's punches and see what compubox counted).

I have yet to hear the simple answer to this:

People with a neutral eye on the fight should be able to agree on two ideas:

1) Paq clearly won rounds 8 and 9.
2) Horn won 1, 6, 10, and 12.

That leaves rounds 2,3,4,5,7, and 11 as rounds that were all about 50/50 and no more than 55/45 either way--that is decent arguments could be made for one over the other, but giving the round to the other wouldn't be outlandish.

I saw Horn continuing his momentum from round 1 into round 2. I would have given 2 to Horn mostly because Horn continued to press the action he started in 1.

I would have also given 11 to Horn. Sort of for the same reason. He won 10 and continued what made him successful in 10 into round 11.

That is six rounds for Horn. I also could be swayed to see Horn picking up any of 3,4,5, or 7. Wound't be outlandish. Grabbing any of those rounds AND giving Pac a 10-8 round in 9 would have made it 114-113 Horn. Which is not ridiculous. But neither would have been 115-113 Paq. I could have seen that too.

Boxing is judged on a round by round basis, not a cumulative "Oh I think this guy won because the other guy had a swollen eye." And that's what I keep hearing from the folks that say how much they "know" about boxing.

Yeah, I keep hearing the "he ALMOST tko'd him in round 9, so therefore he won the fight". That is ridiculous. I have seen fighters be knocked down 3 times in a single round and still end up winning the fight (fortunately there was no 3 knockdown rule in those fights, also why I am against the 3 knockdown rule).

It's not just that he almost TKO'd Horn. He landed a substantially larger amount of punches (as evidenced by Horn's battered face). What exactly do you think Horn did to win the fight? Being aggressive (following Pac around the ring) doesn't mean squat if you don't land punches. Horn didn't land a ton of shots.
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(07-10-2017 04:20 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 03:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 02:36 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Paq won the fight. It might not have been a total blow out, but he won the fight. He landed a lot more punches, he almost ended the fight in the 9th with a TKO and he battered Horn's face. What more do you want?

I'll give Horn credit for being aggressive and not quitting after the 9th, but being aggressive doesn't get you points. You actually have to land punches, as Teddy Atlas pointed out.

I don't want to waste a minute arguing this . If you think Horn won the fight, you don't know boxing, at least not in my opinion. So there's nothing for the two of us to talk about.

You obviously (and others above) don't understand boxing if you think winners are determined by a person hurting another in a singular round. Or if you go by "compubox" numbers that are completely subjective and virtually impossible to rely upon. (Again, go to my previous post and count Horn's punches and see what compubox counted).

I have yet to hear the simple answer to this:

People with a neutral eye on the fight should be able to agree on two ideas:

1) Paq clearly won rounds 8 and 9.
2) Horn won 1, 6, 10, and 12.

That leaves rounds 2,3,4,5,7, and 11 as rounds that were all about 50/50 and no more than 55/45 either way--that is decent arguments could be made for one over the other, but giving the round to the other wouldn't be outlandish.

I saw Horn continuing his momentum from round 1 into round 2. I would have given 2 to Horn mostly because Horn continued to press the action he started in 1.

I would have also given 11 to Horn. Sort of for the same reason. He won 10 and continued what made him successful in 10 into round 11.

That is six rounds for Horn. I also could be swayed to see Horn picking up any of 3,4,5, or 7. Wound't be outlandish. Grabbing any of those rounds AND giving Pac a 10-8 round in 9 would have made it 114-113 Horn. Which is not ridiculous. But neither would have been 115-113 Paq. I could have seen that too.

Boxing is judged on a round by round basis, not a cumulative "Oh I think this guy won because the other guy had a swollen eye." And that's what I keep hearing from the folks that say how much they "know" about boxing.

Cool story, bro.

http://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/wbo...nt-change/

Haha. Your pulling from CBSSports....

Even cooler:

"CBS Sports scored the fight even (114-114)"

http://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/jef...-decision/
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(07-10-2017 04:24 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 04:17 PM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 03:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 02:36 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Paq won the fight. It might not have been a total blow out, but he won the fight. He landed a lot more punches, he almost ended the fight in the 9th with a TKO and he battered Horn's face. What more do you want?

I'll give Horn credit for being aggressive and not quitting after the 9th, but being aggressive doesn't get you points. You actually have to land punches, as Teddy Atlas pointed out.

I don't want to waste a minute arguing this . If you think Horn won the fight, you don't know boxing, at least not in my opinion. So there's nothing for the two of us to talk about.

You obviously (and others above) don't understand boxing if you think winners are determined by a person hurting another in a singular round. Or if you go by "compubox" numbers that are completely subjective and virtually impossible to rely upon. (Again, go to my previous post and count Horn's punches and see what compubox counted).

I have yet to hear the simple answer to this:

People with a neutral eye on the fight should be able to agree on two ideas:

1) Paq clearly won rounds 8 and 9.
2) Horn won 1, 6, 10, and 12.

That leaves rounds 2,3,4,5,7, and 11 as rounds that were all about 50/50 and no more than 55/45 either way--that is decent arguments could be made for one over the other, but giving the round to the other wouldn't be outlandish.

I saw Horn continuing his momentum from round 1 into round 2. I would have given 2 to Horn mostly because Horn continued to press the action he started in 1.

I would have also given 11 to Horn. Sort of for the same reason. He won 10 and continued what made him successful in 10 into round 11.

That is six rounds for Horn. I also could be swayed to see Horn picking up any of 3,4,5, or 7. Wound't be outlandish. Grabbing any of those rounds AND giving Pac a 10-8 round in 9 would have made it 114-113 Horn. Which is not ridiculous. But neither would have been 115-113 Paq. I could have seen that too.

Boxing is judged on a round by round basis, not a cumulative "Oh I think this guy won because the other guy had a swollen eye." And that's what I keep hearing from the folks that say how much they "know" about boxing.

Yeah, I keep hearing the "he ALMOST tko'd him in round 9, so therefore he won the fight". That is ridiculous. I have seen fighters be knocked down 3 times in a single round and still end up winning the fight (fortunately there was no 3 knockdown rule in those fights, also why I am against the 3 knockdown rule).

It's not just that he almost TKO'd Horn. He landed a substantially larger amount of punches (as evidenced by Horn's battered face). What exactly do you think Horn did to win the fight? Being aggressive (following Pac around the ring) doesn't mean squat if you don't land punches. Horn didn't land a ton of shots.

Well, he won rounds 1,6,10, and 12 for sure by being more aggressive, controlling the ring, and throwing more punches and landing about the same.

...and reasonable people could see his winning 2,3, and 11 by (in extremely close rounds) getting the benefit of the doubt for being the aggressor.
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(07-10-2017 04:20 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 03:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 02:36 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Paq won the fight. It might not have been a total blow out, but he won the fight. He landed a lot more punches, he almost ended the fight in the 9th with a TKO and he battered Horn's face. What more do you want?

I'll give Horn credit for being aggressive and not quitting after the 9th, but being aggressive doesn't get you points. You actually have to land punches, as Teddy Atlas pointed out.

I don't want to waste a minute arguing this . If you think Horn won the fight, you don't know boxing, at least not in my opinion. So there's nothing for the two of us to talk about.

You obviously (and others above) don't understand boxing if you think winners are determined by a person hurting another in a singular round. Or if you go by "compubox" numbers that are completely subjective and virtually impossible to rely upon. (Again, go to my previous post and count Horn's punches and see what compubox counted).

I have yet to hear the simple answer to this:

People with a neutral eye on the fight should be able to agree on two ideas:

1) Paq clearly won rounds 8 and 9.
2) Horn won 1, 6, 10, and 12.

That leaves rounds 2,3,4,5,7, and 11 as rounds that were all about 50/50 and no more than 55/45 either way--that is decent arguments could be made for one over the other, but giving the round to the other wouldn't be outlandish.

I saw Horn continuing his momentum from round 1 into round 2. I would have given 2 to Horn mostly because Horn continued to press the action he started in 1.

I would have also given 11 to Horn. Sort of for the same reason. He won 10 and continued what made him successful in 10 into round 11.

That is six rounds for Horn. I also could be swayed to see Horn picking up any of 3,4,5, or 7. Wound't be outlandish. Grabbing any of those rounds AND giving Pac a 10-8 round in 9 would have made it 114-113 Horn. Which is not ridiculous. But neither would have been 115-113 Paq. I could have seen that too.

Boxing is judged on a round by round basis, not a cumulative "Oh I think this guy won because the other guy had a swollen eye." And that's what I keep hearing from the folks that say how much they "know" about boxing.

Cool story, bro.

http://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/wbo...nt-change/

Your story even less cool.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/19...y-pacquiao

"SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- An independent review of the scoring in Manny Pacquiao's contentious WBO welterweight world title loss to Jeff Horn has confirmed the outcome in favor of the Australian former schoolteacher...."


"...WBO President Francisco Valcarcel asked the judges, who came from different countries and remained anonymous, to assign their own scores to rounds, saying the results would be tabulated to ascertain which rounds each fighter won using an average scale based on 100, 80 and 60 percent.

Based on the analysis, the WBO said Pacquiao won the 3rd, 8th and 9th round by 100 percent, the 5th round by 80 percent and the 11th by 60 percent. Horn was given the 1st, 6th and 12th rounds by 100 percent, the 2nd, 4th and 7th by 80 percent and the 10th by 60 percent.

"From the results, it can be established that Pacquiao won 5 rounds while Horn won 7 rounds," the WBO statement said.

A further step of combining the independent judge's scores for each round with the bout judge's scores for each round also confirmed a win for Horn, the WBO said....
"

Basically, it broke down very much along the logic stream I put out there.

Dominant rounds for Horn in 1, 6, and 12 and 8 and 9 for Paq (though they saw the 3rd 100% for Paq).
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(07-10-2017 09:05 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 04:20 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 03:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 02:36 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Paq won the fight. It might not have been a total blow out, but he won the fight. He landed a lot more punches, he almost ended the fight in the 9th with a TKO and he battered Horn's face. What more do you want?

I'll give Horn credit for being aggressive and not quitting after the 9th, but being aggressive doesn't get you points. You actually have to land punches, as Teddy Atlas pointed out.

I don't want to waste a minute arguing this . If you think Horn won the fight, you don't know boxing, at least not in my opinion. So there's nothing for the two of us to talk about.

You obviously (and others above) don't understand boxing if you think winners are determined by a person hurting another in a singular round. Or if you go by "compubox" numbers that are completely subjective and virtually impossible to rely upon. (Again, go to my previous post and count Horn's punches and see what compubox counted).

I have yet to hear the simple answer to this:

People with a neutral eye on the fight should be able to agree on two ideas:

1) Paq clearly won rounds 8 and 9.
2) Horn won 1, 6, 10, and 12.

That leaves rounds 2,3,4,5,7, and 11 as rounds that were all about 50/50 and no more than 55/45 either way--that is decent arguments could be made for one over the other, but giving the round to the other wouldn't be outlandish.

I saw Horn continuing his momentum from round 1 into round 2. I would have given 2 to Horn mostly because Horn continued to press the action he started in 1.

I would have also given 11 to Horn. Sort of for the same reason. He won 10 and continued what made him successful in 10 into round 11.

That is six rounds for Horn. I also could be swayed to see Horn picking up any of 3,4,5, or 7. Wound't be outlandish. Grabbing any of those rounds AND giving Pac a 10-8 round in 9 would have made it 114-113 Horn. Which is not ridiculous. But neither would have been 115-113 Paq. I could have seen that too.

Boxing is judged on a round by round basis, not a cumulative "Oh I think this guy won because the other guy had a swollen eye." And that's what I keep hearing from the folks that say how much they "know" about boxing.

Cool story, bro.

http://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/wbo...nt-change/

Your story even less cool.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/19...y-pacquiao

"SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- An independent review of the scoring in Manny Pacquiao's contentious WBO welterweight world title loss to Jeff Horn has confirmed the outcome in favor of the Australian former schoolteacher...."


"...WBO President Francisco Valcarcel asked the judges, who came from different countries and remained anonymous, to assign their own scores to rounds, saying the results would be tabulated to ascertain which rounds each fighter won using an average scale based on 100, 80 and 60 percent.

Based on the analysis, the WBO said Pacquiao won the 3rd, 8th and 9th round by 100 percent, the 5th round by 80 percent and the 11th by 60 percent. Horn was given the 1st, 6th and 12th rounds by 100 percent, the 2nd, 4th and 7th by 80 percent and the 10th by 60 percent.

"From the results, it can be established that Pacquiao won 5 rounds while Horn won 7 rounds," the WBO statement said.

A further step of combining the independent judge's scores for each round with the bout judge's scores for each round also confirmed a win for Horn, the WBO said....
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Basically, it broke down very much along the logic stream I put out there.

Dominant rounds for Horn in 1, 6, and 12 and 8 and 9 for Paq (though they saw the 3rd 100% for Paq).

But! CUSA posted pictures!
07-11-2017 12:30 AM
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RE: Robbery in Australia
(07-11-2017 12:30 AM)memtigbb Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 09:05 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 04:20 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 03:53 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(07-10-2017 02:36 PM)TiminMem23 Wrote:  Paq won the fight. It might not have been a total blow out, but he won the fight. He landed a lot more punches, he almost ended the fight in the 9th with a TKO and he battered Horn's face. What more do you want?

I'll give Horn credit for being aggressive and not quitting after the 9th, but being aggressive doesn't get you points. You actually have to land punches, as Teddy Atlas pointed out.

I don't want to waste a minute arguing this . If you think Horn won the fight, you don't know boxing, at least not in my opinion. So there's nothing for the two of us to talk about.

You obviously (and others above) don't understand boxing if you think winners are determined by a person hurting another in a singular round. Or if you go by "compubox" numbers that are completely subjective and virtually impossible to rely upon. (Again, go to my previous post and count Horn's punches and see what compubox counted).

I have yet to hear the simple answer to this:

People with a neutral eye on the fight should be able to agree on two ideas:

1) Paq clearly won rounds 8 and 9.
2) Horn won 1, 6, 10, and 12.

That leaves rounds 2,3,4,5,7, and 11 as rounds that were all about 50/50 and no more than 55/45 either way--that is decent arguments could be made for one over the other, but giving the round to the other wouldn't be outlandish.

I saw Horn continuing his momentum from round 1 into round 2. I would have given 2 to Horn mostly because Horn continued to press the action he started in 1.

I would have also given 11 to Horn. Sort of for the same reason. He won 10 and continued what made him successful in 10 into round 11.

That is six rounds for Horn. I also could be swayed to see Horn picking up any of 3,4,5, or 7. Wound't be outlandish. Grabbing any of those rounds AND giving Pac a 10-8 round in 9 would have made it 114-113 Horn. Which is not ridiculous. But neither would have been 115-113 Paq. I could have seen that too.

Boxing is judged on a round by round basis, not a cumulative "Oh I think this guy won because the other guy had a swollen eye." And that's what I keep hearing from the folks that say how much they "know" about boxing.

Cool story, bro.

http://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/wbo...nt-change/

Your story even less cool.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/19...y-pacquiao

"SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- An independent review of the scoring in Manny Pacquiao's contentious WBO welterweight world title loss to Jeff Horn has confirmed the outcome in favor of the Australian former schoolteacher...."


"...WBO President Francisco Valcarcel asked the judges, who came from different countries and remained anonymous, to assign their own scores to rounds, saying the results would be tabulated to ascertain which rounds each fighter won using an average scale based on 100, 80 and 60 percent.

Based on the analysis, the WBO said Pacquiao won the 3rd, 8th and 9th round by 100 percent, the 5th round by 80 percent and the 11th by 60 percent. Horn was given the 1st, 6th and 12th rounds by 100 percent, the 2nd, 4th and 7th by 80 percent and the 10th by 60 percent.

"From the results, it can be established that Pacquiao won 5 rounds while Horn won 7 rounds," the WBO statement said.

A further step of combining the independent judge's scores for each round with the bout judge's scores for each round also confirmed a win for Horn, the WBO said....
"

Basically, it broke down very much along the logic stream I put out there.

Dominant rounds for Horn in 1, 6, and 12 and 8 and 9 for Paq (though they saw the 3rd 100% for Paq).

But! CUSA posted pictures!

But but he won the 9th round. The NINTH round.
07-11-2017 11:56 AM
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