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RE: What are your schools realignment options?
(07-01-2017 12:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 09:59 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  We discuss realignment options for schools that we didn't attend all of the time.

But what about realignment options for your school? I will start with mine.

1)B12: Our academic peer list includes Oklahoma St, Iowa St and WVU so this would be the conference to join with its rural college towns. We make a perfect travel partner with WVU only 2 hours away.

For Ohio, this is laughable, at about the same level as the "Buffalo to the Big 10!" talk around here in recent years.

The day the Big 12 invites Ohio is the day it is no longer the Big 12 in any recognizable current form, e.g., Texas and Oklahoma will be long gone, the Big 12 will no longer be in the Power club, will have an AAC-level media deal, etc.

And not that it matters, but when you say Iowa State, WVU, and OKST are on your academic peer list, is it reciprocal? It doesn't mean much if it isn't. E.g., I once saw a list of schools that said Harvard was their peer - it was about 20 schools that had them on their list. Problem was, Harvard only had two of them on its list, LOL.

What he also fails to tell everyone is that Ohio hasn't won a MAC Championship since 1968.

And they do not bring any sort of media market to the table. Being in one of the poorest parts of the country doesn't help either.
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RE: What are your schools realignment options?
he doesn't have to tell us '68, we all know that, we all know where Athens is
what laughable, how tough can Harvard be, valadictauran didn't speak english
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RE: What are your schools realignment options?
Obviously Georgia St would like to move up in the pecking order. I know we have a long way to go in the fan support column but we are working hard to get the infrastructure in place for bigger and better things in the future.
It's fair to say that we see ourselves fitting in with the AAC. An Atlanta school makes an excellent bridge between the west side of the conference, ECU, and Florida schools.
Now my pipe dream is that GT is wooed away to the BIG 10 like was rumored a few years ago. In my best case scenario the ACC would look to Georgia St to keep the conference in Atlanta and the state for a variety of reasons. Other than that extremely slim hypothetical, that's our only chance to get a P5 invite.
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RE: What are your schools realignment options?
(07-01-2017 03:39 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  SEC: The ACC stays while and the SEC must get into the 10 million + populated state of Nort Carolina. Then they go for ECU who has 30,000+ students and a large football fan base.
That actually could happen one day, but I'd set the timer at about 20 years from now. In the meantime, ECU would basically need to sell out every home football game (and I don't just mean tickets sold, but people actually showing up at Ficklen).
Plus other obvious things like getting MBB in order, etc.

It's a long shot but not a pipe dream.
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RE: What are your schools realignment options?
College of Charleston:

1) Stay in the CAA as it is now (has been a pretty good fit in the four years we have been in league)
2) Move back to the SoCon (would have been an option if the CAA move didn't work out, but very unlikely now)
3) Go to a re-jiggered version of the A-10 if a couple of their major schools left to go to the Big East and/or AAC.
4) Move to a new basketball-focused league of southern schools (Davidson, UR, VCU, ODU, UNCW, UNCG, GW, a couple others) if the A-10 folded up.
5) Add football, a ceiling of probably C-USA.

CofC, even with its start way back in 1670, has the vast majority of its alums in the last 30 years. As recently as 1970 the school had 500 students. In the 70s the school grew ten fold, from 500 to 5,000. With Charleston being a fast-growing metropolitan area (over 750K), it could become an attractive school to mulitiple leagues in the future.
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RE: What are your schools realignment options?
(07-01-2017 10:55 AM)domer1978 Wrote:  The following would all love to have us
America East Conference
American Athletic Conference
Atlantic 10 Conference
Atlantic Coast Conference
Atlantic Sun Conference
Big 12 Conference
Big East Conference
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Big Sky Conference
Big South Conference
Big Ten Conference
Big West Conference
Coastal Collegiate Sports Association – sponsors only men's and women's swimming & diving, plus women's beach volleyball
Colonial Athletic Association
Conference USA
FBS Independents
FCS Independents
Horizon League
Independents
Ivy League
Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference
Mid-American Conference
Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference
Missouri Valley Conference
Mountain Pacific Sports Federation – does not sponsor football or basketball
Mountain West Conference
Northeast Conference
Ohio Valley Conference
Pac-12 Conference
Patriot League
Southeastern Conference
Southern Conference
Southland Conference
Southwestern Athletic Conference
Sun Belt Conference
The Summit League
West Coast Conference
Western Athletic Conference
Ice hockey conferences
Atlantic Hockey (men)
College Hockey America (women)
ECAC Hockey
Hockey East
Independents
National Collegiate Hockey Conference (men)
Western Collegiate Hockey Association
Other single-sport conferences
This list also includes conferences in sports that the NCAA does not split into divisions.

Central Collegiate Ski Association
Collegiate Water Polo Association
Eastern Intercollegiate Gymnastics League (men)
Eastern Intercollegiate Ski Association
Eastern Intercollegiate Volleyball Association (men)
Eastern Intercollegiate Wrestling Association
Eastern Women's Fencing Conference
Eastern Wrestling League
Golden Coast Conference (men's and women's water polo)
Great America Rifle Conference
Intercollegiate Fencing Conference of Southern California
Metropolitan Swimming Conference
Mid-Atlantic Collegiate Fencing Conference
Mid-Atlantic Rifle Conference (includes a mix of NCAA-sanctioned teams and club teams)
Midwest Fencing Conference
Midwest Independent Conference (women's gymnastics)
Midwestern Intercollegiate Volleyball Association (men)
Mountain Rim Gymnastics Conference (women)
National Intercollegiate Women's Fencing Association
Northeast Fencing Conference
Patriot Rifle Conference
Rocky Mountain Intercollegiate Ski Association
Southland Bowling League
Western Water Polo Association
Division II

California Collegiate Athletic Association
Conference Carolinas
Central Atlantic Collegiate Conference
Central Intercollegiate Athletic Association
East Coast Conference
Great American Conference
Great Lakes Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Great Lakes Valley Conference
Great Midwest Athletic Conference
Great Northwest Athletic Conference
Gulf South Conference
Heartland Conference
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Lone Star Conference
Mid-America Intercollegiate Athletics Association
Mountain East Conference
Northeast-10 Conference
Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference
Pacific West Conference
Peach Belt Conference
Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference
Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference
South Atlantic Conference
Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Sunshine State Conference
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Appalachian Swimming Conference
Bluegrass Mountain Conference (swimming)
New South Intercollegiate Swim Conference
Pacific Coast Swim Conference
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Capital Athletic Conference
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Commonwealth Coast Conference
Empire 8
Great Northeast Athletic Conference
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Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
New England Collegiate Conference
New England Small College Athletic Conference
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North Coast Athletic Conference
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Northern Athletics Collegiate Conference
Northwest Conference
Ohio Athletic Conference
Old Dominion Athletic Conference
Presidents' Athletic Conference
St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Skyline Conference
Southern Athletic Association
Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
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University Athletic Association
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Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
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Eastern Collegiate Football Conference
Midwest Collegiate Volleyball League (men)
Midwest Lacrosse Conference (men)
Midwest Women's Lacrosse Conference
New England Football Conference – to be absorbed by the Commonwealth Coast Conference in 2017, becoming the CCC football league
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United Volleyball Conference (men)
National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA)[edit]
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California Pacific Conference
Cascade Collegiate Conference
Chicagoland Collegiate Athletic Conference
Crossroads League
Frontier Conference
Golden State Athletic Conference
Great Plains Athletic Conference
Gulf Coast Athletic Conference
Heart of America Athletic Conference
Association of Independent Institutions
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Kansas Collegiate Athletic Conference
Mid-South Conference
North Star Athletic Association
Red River Athletic Conference
River States Conference
Sooner Athletic Conference
Southern States Athletic Conference
Sun Conference
Wolverine–Hoosier Athletic Conference
United States Collegiate Athletic Association (USCAA)[edit]
Hudson Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Penn State University Athletic Conference
Yankee Small College Conference
National Christian College Athletic Association (NCCAA)[edit]
Central Region
East Region
Mid-East Region
Mid-West Region
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Southwest Region
West Region
Association of Christian College Athletics (ACCA)[edit]
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Volleyball[edit]
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Water polo[edit]
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Wrestling[edit]
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I don't think the Ivy League wants you.
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RE: What are your schools realignment options?
(07-01-2017 08:57 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  he doesn't have to tell us '68, we all know that, we all know where Athens is
what laughable, how tough can Harvard be, valadictauran didn't speak english

Help me out w/ the Harvard reference.

It's been my experience that Harvard grads are exceptionally good at telling you that they went to Garvard, and they can do it in any language that you want, including English.
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now did u really think that i was that dumb
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RE: What are your schools realignment options?
(07-01-2017 12:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 09:59 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  We discuss realignment options for schools that we didn't attend all of the time.

But what about realignment options for your school? I will start with mine.

1)B12: Our academic peer list includes Oklahoma St, Iowa St and WVU so this would be the conference to join with its rural college towns. We make a perfect travel partner with WVU only 2 hours away.

For Ohio, this is laughable, at about the same level as the "Buffalo to the Big 10!" talk around here in recent years.

The day the Big 12 invites Ohio is the day it is no longer the Big 12 in any recognizable current form, e.g., Texas and Oklahoma will be long gone, the Big 12 will no longer be in the Power club, will have an AAC-level media deal, etc.

And not that it matters, but when you say Iowa State, WVU, and OKST are on your academic peer list, is it reciprocal? It doesn't mean much if it isn't. E.g., I once saw a list of schools that said Harvard was their peer - it was about 20 schools that had them on their list. Problem was, Harvard only had two of them on its list, LOL.
The peer group is about about finding instutions with the same profile on a national level for the purposes of benchmarking salary compensation and resource allocation.

Iowa St, OSU and WVU are not Cal, Texas and Florida schools that are part of the research elite paying 250,000 per faculty member. We arent part of the research elite ect but we want to pay our faculty reasonably for a national public school.

The B12 is attractive for Ohio in a way its not attractive for Cincinnati who would be a better instutitional fit in the ACC. National schools but not big hitters if Texas leaves ect.

Now as to Ohio joining if the B12 has an AAC media deal no. Ohio is refusing now to join the AAC unless the media deal is greatly enhanced. Why would we join a shell of the B12 then either?

You have to understand that some schools are more conservative with making moves than others. UMKC was willing to move to the WAC for nothing more than a perception upgrade. Ohio is conservative about making moves. They dont want to get stuck in the situation Marshall did becoming marooned in CUSA.


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(07-02-2017 12:20 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Ohio is refusing now to join the AAC unless the media deal is greatly enhanced.

I didn't know Ohio had received an offer.
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