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CAA Schedule Hurts Basketball Recruiting
“I do believe this is one of the best places to play in the country,” O’Regan said. “We have to be able to educate them to the point that they see you as good a place to play basketball as Pitt or Indiana, or whatever school. The schedule certainly helps ... we don’t sell the CAA as much as we sell the non-conference schedule. Being able to have the challenge of those high-major teams and have the opportunity to beat them [is helpful].”
06-30-2017 06:08 AM
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yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh duuuuuuukemaaaaaaaaaaaaan2 out there drawing conclusions and stuff, spewing dem facts

awesome thread!
06-30-2017 07:16 AM
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Facts are facts. Dukeman is one hell of a copier & paster.
06-30-2017 07:24 AM
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Dukeman2 prefers alternative facts.
06-30-2017 07:48 AM
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Just semantics- we all know the deal. The statements are not dissimilar, just phrased differently for effect. O'Regan's quote illustrates the glass ceiling we have as a high mid major. Only a high level OOC can help lessen the stigma of not being P5. You are often judged by the company you keep. Having our name associated with the big boys (girls), with a Gonzaga-like schedule is a must to improve our recruiting pool. He is not interested in getting players that are just talented enough to win the CAA every year- been there done that. He wants to get the caliber of player who can beat the big schools, be it in regular season or the NCAAs.

Relative to the men's side, the CAA WBB is stronger. But it's still a tier down from the P5. And in WBB, that perception is even greater. Even the bottom feeders of the P5 are getting players with stronger high school resumes than what we can routinely recruit. We've gotten transfers from schools that we are already better than (St. Johns, Providence, Syracuse and more recently, UVA and VT). These are girls who were not getting playing time, yet do well at JMU. Imagine if we had a roster full of the players who were starting ahead of our transfer girls. Our coaching has been top notch and they've done a great job coaching the girls up, maximizing their potential and generally having great teamwork. That has allowed us to compete so far. Our fan support is better than a lot of P5 schools already. The only thing left that we can control is a Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime attitude for OOC scheduling. The CAA is what it is; but it's a component of our program that's not a selling point if we have hopes of upgrading the talent pool.
06-30-2017 08:26 AM
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(06-30-2017 08:26 AM)olddawg Wrote:  Just semantics- we all know the deal. The statements are not dissimilar, just phrased differently for effect. O'Regan's quote illustrates the glass ceiling we have as a high mid major. Only a high level OOC can help lessen the stigma of not being P5. You are often judged by the company you keep. Having our name associated with the big boys (girls), with a Gonzaga-like schedule is a must to improve our recruiting pool. He is not interested in getting players that are just talented enough to win the CAA every year- been there done that. He wants to get the caliber of player who can beat the big schools, be it in regular season or the NCAAs.

Relative to the men's side, the CAA WBB is stronger. But it's still a tier down from the P5. And in WBB, that perception is even greater. Even the bottom feeders of the P5 are getting players with stronger high school resumes than what we can routinely recruit. We've gotten transfers from schools that we are already better than (St. Johns, Providence, Syracuse and more recently, UVA and VT). These are girls who were not getting playing time, yet do well at JMU. Imagine if we had a roster full of the players who were starting ahead of our transfer girls. Our coaching has been top notch and they've done a great job coaching the girls up, maximizing their potential and generally having great teamwork. That has allowed us to compete so far. Our fan support is better than a lot of P5 schools already. The only thing left that we can control is a Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime attitude for OOC scheduling. The CAA is what it is; but it's a component of our program that's not a selling point if we have hopes of upgrading the talent pool.

Not only is it not a selling point, but a topic I feel comfortable in stating that our coaches would prefer not to have to address. I'm sure Coach O and Coach Dean really push their conversations with potential JMU athletes to focus on the OOC competition.
07-01-2017 01:47 AM
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OK, let's look at it another way...we COULD be in the AAC...a largely mid-major conference that is completely dominated on the women's side by UConn. Would you like that? I bet not. Your other in-conference opponents would not be much better than what we get now. plus we'd get beaten bloody by UConn twice a season. And I see in another thread people wanting to be in C-USA. REALLY????? Good grief, talk about a lateral arabesque! A conference move did NOTHING for ODU. As far as WBB, I think we're better off where we are and Coach O is doing the right thing. Of course the people talking about wanting to be in C-USA (another mid-major, anyhow) are primarily football people, I think.
07-02-2017 02:40 PM
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Dukeman/Dukeman2 --

I believe it's decisions like this that really hurt recruiting (see story on one prominent player):

http://jmusportsblog.com/
07-07-2017 10:44 AM
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(07-02-2017 02:40 PM)orange-to-purple Wrote:  OK, let's look at it another way...we COULD be in the AAC...a largely mid-major conference that is completely dominated on the women's side by UConn. Would you like that? I bet not. Your other in-conference opponents would not be much better than what we get now. plus we'd get beaten bloody by UConn twice a season. And I see in another thread people wanting to be in C-USA. REALLY????? Good grief, talk about a lateral arabesque! A conference move did NOTHING for ODU. As far as WBB, I think we're better off where we are and Coach O is doing the right thing. Of course the people talking about wanting to be in C-USA (another mid-major, anyhow) are primarily football people, I think.

I think most of us would be THRILLED to be in the AAC. While I think it unlikely we really "could" go there without a stop at CUSA/MAC/SB, it would be great for all sports, including WBB.

If we were in the AAC:
- more upside for coaches, and a good chance we could retain someone like Kenny
- better recruiting, more players that want to compete with UConn, etc
- more tourney bids by nature of strength of schedule

Would be shocked for us to move to AAC directly without massive conference reshuffling, but that move would be an absolute homerun.
07-07-2017 10:58 AM
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The head coach of the best WBB in the CAA, for the last decade, is quoted as saying he doesn't sell the CAA to recruits.

No need to turn the volume up on that comment and what the CAA has become.
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