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RE: Could the State Move to Ban or Limit Athletic Subsidies
(06-30-2017 03:37 PM)Bcatbog Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 02:12 PM)#41 Wrote:  As much as I'm a sports fan, this would be a good thing.

It's immoral to force students there to learn and get an education to subsidize athletics with so-called "activity fees" -- especially when most of them are borrowing into massive debt just to attend.

Students have a free choice in which school they attend. If they do not believe college athletics adds to the college experience - they do not have to attend a school that does. IMO UC athletics were a huge part of my college experience. Here in Cleveland Cleveland State is a hollow shell of UC offers our student body.

If someone does not like it - go somewhere else. Oh how I hate the whining.

That's like saying if you don't like the US stop whining and trying to make it better by voting and affecting change, instead just move to a different country. Perhaps a better solution instead of false choice would be economically driven decisions to make college more affordable.
 
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RE: Could the State Move to Ban or Limit Athletic Subsidies
(07-01-2017 06:11 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I repeat the answer is require schools to commit a certain % of the endowment to student loans. You will see loans become more repayable.

Borrowing $200,000 to get a foo foo degree like women's studies, black studies, French lit, etc. qualifies you to say "Expresso?"

Or just only go for degrees you can afford. My daughter just graduated in engineering. Between going to a state school and a program with a good paying co-op program, she still has $4,000 left over from the $20,000 we spotted her (two summers of factory work helped too).
 
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RE: Could the State Move to Ban or Limit Athletic Subsidies
(07-06-2017 08:50 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 06:11 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I repeat the answer is require schools to commit a certain % of the endowment to student loans. You will see loans become more repayable.

Borrowing $200,000 to get a foo foo degree like women's studies, black studies, French lit, etc. qualifies you to say "Expresso?"

Or just only go for degrees you can afford. My daughter just graduated in engineering. Between going to a state school and a program with a good paying co-op program, she still has $4,000 left over from the $20,000 we spotted her (two summers of factory work helped too).

Unfortunately your daughter's experience is the exception. Too many kids get stuck trying to cover college expenses with minimum wage summer jobs which is a losing battle. Most majors don't offer any co-op opportunities either.

Since I have a college kid working her butt off the summer do you mind me asking how much your daughter's factory work paid? Mine is waiting tables at a breakfast place mornings since it leaves her afternoons free for her research project on campus. She's easily making at least 2x what her friends are getting at Starbucks or Target this summer.
 
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RE: Could the State Move to Ban or Limit Athletic Subsidies
(07-06-2017 08:50 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 06:11 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I repeat the answer is require schools to commit a certain % of the endowment to student loans. You will see loans become more repayable.

Borrowing $200,000 to get a foo foo degree like women's studies, black studies, French lit, etc. qualifies you to say "Expresso?"

Or just only go for degrees you can afford. My daughter just graduated in engineering. Between going to a state school and a program with a good paying co-op program, she still has $4,000 left over from the $20,000 we spotted her (two summers of factory work helped too).

I've often wondered why the tuition cost is the same for an engineering degree as it is an English degree. The total credits might be the same, but they're paying the engineering professor way more than the English one, and the facilities are quite different. Why isn't the English degree cheaper?
 
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RE: Could the State Move to Ban or Limit Athletic Subsidies
(07-06-2017 09:37 AM)Bearcat1010 Wrote:  Since I have a college kid working her butt off the summer do you mind me asking how much your daughter's factory work paid? Mine is waiting tables at a breakfast place mornings since it leaves her afternoons free for her research project on campus. She's easily making at least 2x what her friends are getting at Starbucks or Target this summer.

I think it was about $9/hour, but she was getting 40-45 hours per week.

Both my daughters hated it because they were so tired after work they did little else for the summer. But if you are trying to pay for a college degree, you don't get 3-4 months of vacation each summer.
 
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RE: Could the State Move to Ban or Limit Athletic Subsidies
(07-06-2017 10:11 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 09:37 AM)Bearcat1010 Wrote:  Since I have a college kid working her butt off the summer do you mind me asking how much your daughter's factory work paid? Mine is waiting tables at a breakfast place mornings since it leaves her afternoons free for her research project on campus. She's easily making at least 2x what her friends are getting at Starbucks or Target this summer.

I think it was about $9/hour, but she was getting 40-45 hours per week.

Both my daughters hated it because they were so tired after work they did little else for the summer. But if you are trying to pay for a college degree, you don't get 3-4 months of vacation each summer.

Working full time and being too tired to go out after work is a big part of their education sometimes. Busting your hump for for the summer makes getting that engineering degree even more appealing.
 
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RE: Could the State Move to Ban or Limit Athletic Subsidies
(07-06-2017 08:50 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 06:11 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I repeat the answer is require schools to commit a certain % of the endowment to student loans. You will see loans become more repayable.

Borrowing $200,000 to get a foo foo degree like women's studies, black studies, French lit, etc. qualifies you to say "Expresso?"

Or just only go for degrees you can afford. My daughter just graduated in engineering. Between going to a state school and a program with a good paying co-op program, she still has $4,000 left over from the $20,000 we spotted her (two summers of factory work helped too).


The reality is that we can't have an entire work force of nothing but engineers or other degrees that offer co-ops. A 10/hour job (with no taxes or other expenses) will leave you with 5,200 after 13 weeks. 1 year at UC costs 11,000 in tuition alone. It's not feasible to pay for college based off of a summer job or a part time job during school.
 
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RE: Could the State Move to Ban or Limit Athletic Subsidies
(07-06-2017 12:28 PM)skylinecat Wrote:  
(07-06-2017 08:50 AM)Bruce Monnin Wrote:  
(07-01-2017 06:11 PM)doss2 Wrote:  I repeat the answer is require schools to commit a certain % of the endowment to student loans. You will see loans become more repayable.

Borrowing $200,000 to get a foo foo degree like women's studies, black studies, French lit, etc. qualifies you to say "Expresso?"

Or just only go for degrees you can afford. My daughter just graduated in engineering. Between going to a state school and a program with a good paying co-op program, she still has $4,000 left over from the $20,000 we spotted her (two summers of factory work helped too).


The reality is that we can't have an entire work force of nothing but engineers or other degrees that offer co-ops. A 10/hour job (with no taxes or other expenses) will leave you with 5,200 after 13 weeks. 1 year at UC costs 11,000 in tuition alone. It's not feasible to pay for college based off of a summer job or a part time job during school.

The idea that you can work to pay your way through school is not often true. They are cases where kids can co-op and find solid summer employment to combine with scholarships but that is not the norm.

When I started school (1987... so old...) tuition was ~$600 and minimum wage was $3.25 (woo hoo!). Ignoring the details it took 550 hours to pay each years tuition. Now at $11k per year and $10/hr a student has to work 1,100 hours - twice as much to pay tuition.

Sending this back to the main topic - this is why some people have problems with the school founding the athletic department with student fees.
 
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