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(07-24-2017 11:52 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 11:37 AM)BlazrDawg Wrote:  anybody got a picture of what it looked like before the collapse??

See article at post #6...

Those pictures were apparently taken in late June... presumably not proximal to time of collapse.

(07-24-2017 06:01 PM)BlazrDawg Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 11:52 AM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 11:37 AM)BlazrDawg Wrote:  anybody got a picture of what it looked like before the collapse??

See article at post #6...

Those pictures were apparently taken in late June... presumably not proximal to time of collapse.

https://twitter.com/FootballScoop/status...6021732356

(07-23-2017 09:37 PM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  Rumors of a sinkhole being the cause. Of course, that could be a smokescreen...

Sounds like a bad excuse for not taking a couple of core samples and not having deep enough or wide enough footings.

It's a good thing it fell now, even if it does get somebody fired.

Yeap

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(07-24-2017 06:44 PM)BlazerPhil Wrote:  

(07-23-2017 09:37 PM)WesternBlazer Wrote:  Rumors of a sinkhole being the cause. Of course, that could be a smokescreen...

Sounds like a bad excuse for not taking a couple of core samples and not having deep enough or wide enough footings.

It's a good thing it fell now, even if it does get somebody fired.

Bingo. Sink hole my eye. I lived down there for 10 years. I miss gardening in that sand.

Quick glance. No perlins, just some flimsy straps on the roof. Zero X bracing. No guy wires securing the building until completed.
Didn't see any evidence of a sink hole from the other photos but if they had a soft spot under the spread footings with what I mentioned above I could see some movement bringing it down if one moved under a column and there was nothing securing the building. I doubt there were footing or sink hole issues as you do borings to determine your soil condition and it would have been spotted early on. That said if there were the geological testing agency's ass will be in a crack as well.

I know the contractor and have had issues with them. They are not good. I made the comment that I would not let them build a dog house for me last year FWIW.


If I had to make an uneducated guess,an inadequacy braced building brought down by a severe thunderstorm. Should not have happened.

(07-25-2017 08:29 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  Quick glance. No perlins, just some flimsy straps on the roof. Zero X bracing. No guy wires securing the building until completed.
Didn't see any evidence of a sink hole from the other photos but if they had a soft spot under the spread footings with what I mentioned above I could see some movement bringing it down if one moved under a column and there was nothing securing the building. I doubt there were footing or sink hole issues as you do borings to determine your soil condition and it would have been spotted early on. That said if there were the geological testing agency's ass will be in a crack as well.

I know the contractor and have had issues with them. They are not good. I made the comment that I would not let them build a dog house for me last year FWIW.


If I had to make an uneducated guess,an inadequacy braced building brought down by a severe thunderstorm. Should not have happened.

This is the part where you assure us it won't happen to ours because the discombobulator has been properly rifflesnorked.

Yep.

I personally know the architect and contractor for us. Both are very good.

Just observing over the last year, it's like they said I like what UABs building. We need the same thing. Let's hire the first contractor/firm that applies and get this thing built asap.

The contractor was awarded in a bid process. In my opinion they should have had a prequalification for contractors Contractor supply and have to meet a certain criteria to bid able to bid the project. It's based on a point system

Is contractor's business ruined by something like this - reputation-wise? Or is everything kept quiet to protect the guilty?

It may not necessarily be the contractors fault. It could have been the PEMB fault. I didn't see any Xbracing on any of the bays which isn't supplied but the contractor typically

I'm certain that there will be an investigation. Bad design, maybe. Bad construction, maybe. Contractor using fewer/inferior materials, maybe. Since it was a public job I would assume that the result of the investigation would be too.

(07-25-2017 12:03 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  The contractor was awarded in a bid process. In my opinion they should have had a prequalification for contractors Contractor supply and have to meet a certain criteria to bid able to bid the project. It's based on a point system

Does the state competitive bid law provide / allow for or require prequalification for contractors who bid on public projects? Or does the law just require acceptance of the lowest bid regardless.

Lowest bid but you can pre-qualify contractors. You don't want Bammer Joe out of a pickup truck bidding a $100,000,000.00 job.

If you are doing a LEED project you can have LEED experience requirements.