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Texas A&M - Corpus Christi and the WAC
Just curious if the WAC would have any interest in TAMU-CC? Or if TAMU-CC had any interest in the WAC. Seems it would make a ton of sense as a travel partner for UT-RGV. Could also invite New Orleans potentially.
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That would make sense actually, a rarity in these threads.


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RE: Texas A&M - Corpus Christi and the WAC
They are SLC. At some point they'd like to start football. They attempted to merge with Kingsville and pull their D-II FB up. All kinds of issues with that - was rejected by state oversight. They are a good fit in the Texas/Arkansas/Louisiana SLC, don't see them moving, ever.

WAC is laser focused on California. The Horizon threat appears to be gone now, only the UCSD last ditch effort to drag CSUB with them to try and gain a last minute Big West invite is still in play for probably the next 9 months. It's likely to fail, and UCSD will probably go back and have a new initiative in Spring 2019 that includes the WAC as a possible target, and not a Big West exclusive wording initiative like the last one. That would put them in play for 2021 WAC membership. If not APU is on the docket. Central time zone schools are simply not on the radar at the moment.
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Even if they never consider football, they play all their games in Texas and Louisiana except for Central Arkansas which is just 35 minutes away from an airport with SW Airlines service.
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RE: Texas A&M - Corpus Christi and the WAC
Right now the travel in the Southland is just so much easier than the WAC.

I did have one crazy thought--there are about 5 DII Lone Star Conference teams putting up FCS attendance numbers and 3 of them are A&Ms (West Texas A&M, A&M Kingsville, A&M Commerce--the other two are UTPB and Midwestern St).

What if they all came up into the WAC and formed the basis of a Texas East Division that might attract Corpus Christi to switch conferences?
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RE: Texas A&M - Corpus Christi and the WAC
If IPFW leaves the Summit next, the WAC should offer Oral Roberts.

If you want a Texas-centric FCS WAC, get UTRGV to start football, and then offer 5 Southland schools:

WAC - Central Arkansas, UTRGV, Sam Houston State, Abilene Christian, Houston Baptist, Incarnate Word (non-FCS: UMKC, NMSU)

Southland - Lamar, Stephen F. Austin, Northwestern State, Southeastern Louisiana, McNeese State, Nicholas State (non-FCS: New Orleans, TAMUCC)

The WAC could offer Oral Roberts and force the Southland to go shopping in the Big Sky, or recreate the Great West by offering Bakersfield, Seattle, and Utah Valley.
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(06-28-2017 04:36 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Right now the travel in the Southland is just so much easier than the WAC.

I did have one crazy thought--there are about 5 DII Lone Star Conference teams putting up FCS attendance numbers and 3 of them are A&Ms (West Texas A&M, A&M Kingsville, A&M Commerce--the other two are UTPB and Midwestern St).

What if they all came up into the WAC and formed the basis of a Texas East Division that might attract Corpus Christi to switch conferences?


You left of Tarleton State who also putting up FCS like numbers as well. Angelo State is also at the lower end mark. Western New Mexico is having issues with fans, and so have Eastern New Mexico. New Mexico Highlands is doing okay with FCS like crowds. Colorado State-Pueblo and Colorado Mesa with them winning could be also attractive as well.
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As far as D2 schools go, Western Washington and Metro State would be perfect for the WAC
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how the WAC has surived is beyond me !
and it's growing stronger
right now WAC has core in SW part of country
with southern B-Sky schools & D-2 schools moving up
another pod in Tex with SLC schools
with straglers from Mid-west
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RE: Texas A&M - Corpus Christi and the WAC
Well if UMKC does stick around, I believe the WAC is going to at least look around for another possible Midwest addition. I suppose it will depend on how long Chicago State can hang on to Div. 1 sports. If Chi. State does drop down, UMKC will be left twisting in the wind a bit. I'm just not sure who the WAC could get to join from that region. Oral Roberts? Lipscomb? SIUE?

I don't see any of those schools jumping to a western based conference. Ditto Texas A&M Corpus Christi. They seem to be set in the Southland. Why move and spend more money for travel?
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RE: Texas A&M - Corpus Christi and the WAC
I think it's more likely that UTRGV someday joins the Southland than A&M-CC joining the WAC.

Nothing really to appeal to CC in the WAC. As Arkstfan said - they have very easy travel now and the WAC schools are not likely to appeal to their fan base any more than the current Southland opponents.

I know UTRGV has professed to be interested in FBS football someday, but I see that as a very difficult jump for them. What conference would take them in today's environment?
FCS seems way more likely - and with the relatively tight geography of the Southland FCS could make sense.
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Southland divides money with 13 schools
TexA&MCC, SHST & SFA along with TexRGV
as eastern half of WAC, would split 8 or 9 ways
xtra money covers additional travell money
WAC r bringing 3 to 5 thousand, would help recuriting
better conf improves atten
southland atten is 1,000 with budjets less than mill
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The Southland has 13 schools and 11 in football. I think UTRGV is a shoe-in if/when they start football.
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(06-28-2017 09:55 PM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  The Southland has 13 schools and 11 in football. I think UTRGV is a shoe-in if/when they start football.


3 schools in the Southland are eyeing FBS. UTRGV makes it 4.
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(06-28-2017 11:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 09:55 PM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  The Southland has 13 schools and 11 in football. I think UTRGV is a shoe-in if/when they start football.


3 schools in the Southland are eyeing FBS. UTRGV makes it 4.

Who in the Southland is eyeing FBS other than the half-hearted discussions at Lamar?
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(06-28-2017 11:39 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 11:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 09:55 PM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  The Southland has 13 schools and 11 in football. I think UTRGV is a shoe-in if/when they start football.


3 schools in the Southland are eyeing FBS. UTRGV makes it 4.

Who in the Southland is eyeing FBS other than the half-hearted discussions at Lamar?

Sam Houston State and SFA.
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(06-29-2017 12:00 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 11:39 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 11:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 09:55 PM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  The Southland has 13 schools and 11 in football. I think UTRGV is a shoe-in if/when they start football.


3 schools in the Southland are eyeing FBS. UTRGV makes it 4.

Who in the Southland is eyeing FBS other than the half-hearted discussions at Lamar?

Sam Houston State and SFA.

Provide links to this information, please and thank you in advance.
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(06-29-2017 01:49 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 12:00 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 11:39 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 11:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 09:55 PM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  The Southland has 13 schools and 11 in football. I think UTRGV is a shoe-in if/when they start football.


3 schools in the Southland are eyeing FBS. UTRGV makes it 4.

Who in the Southland is eyeing FBS other than the half-hearted discussions at Lamar?

Sam Houston State and SFA.

Provide links to this information, please and thank you in advance.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/01/24...uture.html


Still trying to find it for SFA. When UTSA, Texas State and UTA moved to FBS, Sam Houston State announced they will do the study. That was before that report from 2014 with hints of them still want to go FBS. After Sam Houston State announced doing the study, SFA does not want to be left behind, so they decided to also do a study to go FBS. Somebody in a G5 conference might want to grab SFA because of their strong basketball program.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/11762...m-oblivion

UCO mentioned about joining an upscale league for them to considered D1.

http://newsok.com/oklahomas-ncaa-divisio...z1SDxwIGti

This is for people wondering about Central Oklahoma who could replace one of the Texas schools.

I think Sam Houston State and SFA really wanted Central Oklahoma, Tarleton State, Angelo State or other schools instead of Oral Roberts, Incarnate Word,New Orleans and Houston Baptist. It was a downgrade of the Southland Conference to them at the time. None of those schools have been relevant in any sports. They still are not winning. Tarleton State wanted into the Southland at the same time as Abilene Christian. I still think all three of them want to get out of the trainwreck that the Southland is now. New Orleans is also in financial chaos as well. They were supposed to start football back in 2015, but delayed it, not many students enroll.

http://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/n...456d7.html

7 straight years, New Orleans fell in enrollment. Small for a public school at D1. It is one of the targets by politicians to merge it with another school like LSU. If New Orleans fall anymore? I do not think they will last long in D1 as well.
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New Orleans isn't a target to merge with LSU. They were LSU-NO then renamed UNO as part of the LSU system. They left the LSU system a few years after Katrina to join the UL system.
It was the move to the UL system that triggered the reversal of the decision to go Division II.
UNO has talked football for decades without figuring out how to pay for it. Promising to "look" at football was a condition of admission into Gulf South and later Southland but they've never really committed to the idea.
Improbable they return to the LSU system and given current financial situation improbable they'd be taken in.
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(06-29-2017 06:00 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 01:49 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(06-29-2017 12:00 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 11:39 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 11:30 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  3 schools in the Southland are eyeing FBS. UTRGV makes it 4.

Who in the Southland is eyeing FBS other than the half-hearted discussions at Lamar?

Sam Houston State and SFA.

Provide links to this information, please and thank you in advance.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2014/01/24...uture.html


Still trying to find it for SFA. When UTSA, Texas State and UTA moved to FBS, Sam Houston State announced they will do the study. That was before that report from 2014 with hints of them still want to go FBS. After Sam Houston State announced doing the study, SFA does not want to be left behind, so they decided to also do a study to go FBS. Somebody in a G5 conference might want to grab SFA because of their strong basketball program.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/11762...m-oblivion

UCO mentioned about joining an upscale league for them to considered D1.

http://newsok.com/oklahomas-ncaa-divisio...z1SDxwIGti

This is for people wondering about Central Oklahoma who could replace one of the Texas schools.

I think Sam Houston State and SFA really wanted Central Oklahoma, Tarleton State, Angelo State or other schools instead of Oral Roberts, Incarnate Word,New Orleans and Houston Baptist. It was a downgrade of the Southland Conference to them at the time. None of those schools have been relevant in any sports. They still are not winning. Tarleton State wanted into the Southland at the same time as Abilene Christian. I still think all three of them want to get out of the trainwreck that the Southland is now. New Orleans is also in financial chaos as well. They were supposed to start football back in 2015, but delayed it, not many students enroll.

http://www.theadvocate.com/new_orleans/n...456d7.html

7 straight years, New Orleans fell in enrollment. Small for a public school at D1. It is one of the targets by politicians to merge it with another school like LSU. If New Orleans fall anymore? I do not think they will last long in D1 as well.

Articles are from a time of a high amount of movement 3 to 6 years ago when everyone talks about realignment, anything from within the last 12 months?
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