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Constantly?

I haven't been here in a year.

(06-27-2017 07:26 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 06:51 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  [quote='broncofan1' pid='14420170' dateline='1498607207']
ChipDip's act is so tired. Just can't let it go. PJ rents space in his head for free, even when he's gone. Unreal.

Yet you've had more traffic in two hours than you normally get in a week, and the multi-IDers haven't even showed up yet.

Don't worry, I'm going back to "real" social media, and you'll have another year to pine over Peej's loss.
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So you're grinding your axe to generate traffic? Doubt that, since you grind it over on "real" social media too.

Who's pining over PJ? You're the only one consistently bringing him up. You just can't get over him.

Uses the term "Grinding an ax" and doesn't know how to use quotes????

Is that you Acer

(06-27-2017 07:24 PM)brovol Wrote:  I love that Dip is posting. Probably the best poster on this board ever. And while I agree with most of what he says, and much of what he is saying here, he just ain't all that fond of Fleck, and I get that. Character he scores very low. Coaching a MAC program, his results speak loudly.

Although he did benefit by a favorable schedule last year, he took advantage of it when others before him didn't. And he had to deal with unfavorable schedules in other years. He was a tremendous recruiter, and did get value out of those recruits, even if others didn't pan out.

Lester seems to be working it, and without question with Lester we have a guy who everyone can root hard for; which really wasn't the case with Fleck (some deserved, most not deserved at the time). If Lester can take advantage of the momentum our program has, he should be able to recruit and do great things here. And won't that be a story we will love in unison.

brovol, you nailed it. Again. +100

chip dip is back and there is gonna be trouble

(06-27-2017 04:01 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 03:59 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

Bump

The #1 ranked recruiting classe that wasn't

(06-27-2017 08:34 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 04:01 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 03:59 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

Bump

The #1 ranked recruiting classe that wasn't

Dip, I love it when you get off your medication, and before the involuntary committal petition gets filed. You do some of your best work. Lol.

Recruiting comes down to hitting on about half of each class that you bring in. If half of each class makes it 4 class and they all by in and improve, you will be successful.

Fleck missed out on a ton of guys, but the guys he hit on he was able to get them to buy in 100 percent. When you have talented guys that are bought in, good things happen.

^Still trying to understand your point here?

Especially when several of them you listed DID actually see the field (Hampton, Jackson, Scanlon, Lewis, Brown, Sylva, Ifkovits).

To be honest, that validates the point further that even with 25-30 kids that never made it, he still produced a roster capable of going undefeated and playing the Cotton Bowl. As noted earlier, a vast majority of the kids who played in the Cotton Bowl were his recruits.

Even those who never saw the field, many of them contributed to the team's success and helped to build hype for other recruits making their decision to commit to WMU (see Chance Stewart). "Losing" recruits is something every college coach deals with. Lester will have to deal with it too at some point.

(06-27-2017 05:36 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Couldn't recruit or develop a QB in 4 years....Stewart, Thomas, Maddie, Wassink, Flacco, Little. Terrell bailed his ass out.

I guess Zach did it all himself without any coaching. from 2 star recruit to 2 NFL camps how is that not QB development?

(06-27-2017 07:39 PM)Hoekjeness Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 07:24 PM)brovol Wrote:  I love that Dip is posting. Probably the best poster on this board ever. And while I agree with most of what he says, and much of what he is saying here, he just ain't all that fond of Fleck, and I get that. Character he scores very low. Coaching a MAC program, his results speak loudly.

Although he did benefit by a favorable schedule last year, he took advantage of it when others before him didn't. And he had to deal with unfavorable schedules in other years. He was a tremendous recruiter, and did get value out of those recruits, even if others didn't pan out.

Lester seems to be working it, and without question with Lester we have a guy who everyone can root hard for; which really wasn't the case with Fleck (some deserved, most not deserved at the time). If Lester can take advantage of the momentum our program has, he should be able to recruit and do great things here. And won't that be a story we will love in unison.

brovol, you nailed it. Again. +100

In 2006 we played Florida St (lost by 2), Virginia, and Indiana. Beat Virginia and went 9-3.

Followed that season with WVA, Missouri, Indiana, Iowa. Best Iowa handily.

Followed that with Nebraska and a much better Illinois team whom we beat.

Followed that with Indiana, scUM, MSU.

Ya see, it's not like every coach before Peej didn't have tough OOC opponents, and never beat a weak P5. Peej got VT, NW twice, Illinois, Purdue, Iowa, MSU H, MSU A, and OSU.

In their first 4 years Cubit beat 3 P5's, Fleck beat two.

You say he took advantage where those before him didn't. No one before him ever had a schedule like he had last year.

(06-27-2017 09:05 PM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 05:36 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Couldn't recruit or develop a QB in 4 years....Stewart, Thomas, Maddie, Wassink, Flacco, Little. Terrell bailed his ass out.

I guess Zach did it all himself without any coaching. from 2 star recruit to 2 NFL camps how is that not QB development?

Most QBs learn the system as frosh and RSF. After that it's pretty much what they make of the opportunity.

The only QB who did that course with Peej was Wassink, and Peej apparently wasn't confident enough to play him for 1 snap.

(06-27-2017 09:22 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 09:05 PM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 05:36 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Couldn't recruit or develop a QB in 4 years....Stewart, Thomas, Maddie, Wassink, Flacco, Little. Terrell bailed his ass out.

I guess Zach did it all himself without any coaching. from 2 star recruit to 2 NFL camps how is that not QB development?

Most QBs learn the system as frosh and RSF. After that it's pretty much what they make of the opportunity.

The only QB who did that course with Peej was Wassink, and Peej apparently wasn't confident enough to play him for 1 snap.

So you are stating that after Terrell's first year under PJ he was just winging it? Are you serious? "After their frosh or redshirt year they are just making the best of their opportunity".... Dumbest thing i've read on this board in years. To hell with even paying a QB coach...

(06-27-2017 09:32 PM)flushtheherd Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 09:22 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 09:05 PM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 05:36 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Couldn't recruit or develop a QB in 4 years....Stewart, Thomas, Maddie, Wassink, Flacco, Little. Terrell bailed his ass out.

I guess Zach did it all himself without any coaching. from 2 star recruit to 2 NFL camps how is that not QB development?

Most QBs learn the system as frosh and RSF. After that it's pretty much what they make of the opportunity.

The only QB who did that course with Peej was Wassink, and Peej apparently wasn't confident enough to play him for 1 snap.

So you are stating that after Terrell's first year under PJ he was just winging it? Are you serious? "After their frosh or redshirt year they are just making the best of their opportunity".... Dumbest thing i've read on this board in years. To hell with even paying a QB coach...

Just remember his agenda. PJ will get credit for nothing.

(06-27-2017 07:31 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 07:26 PM)broncofan1 Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 06:51 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  [quote='broncofan1' pid='14420170' dateline='1498607207']
ChipDip's act is so tired. Just can't let it go. PJ rents space in his head for free, even when he's gone. Unreal.

Yet you've had more traffic in two hours than you normally get in a week, and the multi-IDers haven't even showed up yet.

Don't worry, I'm going back to "real" social media, and you'll have another year to pine over Peej's loss.
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So you're grinding your axe to generate traffic? Doubt that, since you grind it over on "real" social media too.

Who's pining over PJ? You're the only one consistently bringing him up. You just can't get over him.

Uses the term "Grinding an ax" and doesn't know how to use quotes????

Is that you Acer

Stellar comeback.

No Flush, or whichever ID I'm talking to. I'm saying QBs like Terrell, VanTubbergan, Carder, and Perish leaned the tools as freshmen and redshirted. After that it was about how they applied them on the field.

Name one QB that learned under Peej that actually developed?
Maddie, Thomas, Little, Flacco, Wassink, Stewart???

Not one of them developed a lick under Peej.

(06-27-2017 09:44 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  No Flush, or whichever ID I'm talking to. I'm saying QBs like Terrell, VanTubbergan, Carder, and Perish leaned the tools as freshmen and redshirted. After that it was about how they applied them on the field.

Name one QB that learned under Peej that actually developed?
Maddie, Thomas, Little, Flacco, Wassink, Stewart???

Not one of them developed a lick under Peej.

Your premise for this argument (that ZT didn't develop at all once he became as starter) is as stupid as the grudge you hold against Fleck.

(06-27-2017 09:44 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  No Flush, or whichever ID I'm talking to. I'm saying QBs like Terrell, VanTubbergan, Carder, and Perish leaned the tools as freshmen and redshirted. After that it was about how they applied them on the field.

Name one QB that learned under Peej that actually developed?
Maddie, Thomas, Little, Flacco, Wassink, Stewart???

Not one of them developed a lick under Peej.

I am not saying that PJ and his crew were QB magicians... I am just stating that its ridiculous to state that Terrell grew as a QB from Frosh to Senior on his own... His coaches had a HUGE factor in that...

I have ultimate confidence in Lester and his coaching staff to be BETTER at "as you say" growing QB talent at a quicker rate than PJ and his staff... I also believe that Lester is a BETTER coach than PJ with regard to x's and o's.... and by a LONG ways... Continuing the culture and energy was my biggest concern when PJ left... Lester is proving leaps and bounds to be able to keep up... I am excited for this year...

and I am the same FTH that was here 16 years ago on ESPN boards... no idea who started the entire FTH troll multi-ID trend... same Flush as always...

I'll give Peej credit. I just won't pine for his return, or wax poetic about what a great recruiter he was.

I'm not going to pretend those #3 ranked classes are still #1 after 10 guys quit, go to jail, or never show up.

I'm not going to buy into the "greatest team ever" nonsense when you have the best schedule in 40 years.

And I'm certainly not buying his love of Western and of Kalamazoo.

I enjoyed last season, but I'm far more impressed by what I see now than I ever was in Fleck's 4 years.

(06-27-2017 09:54 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  I'll give Peej credit.

Go ahead, whenever you're ready.

(06-27-2017 09:54 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  I'll give Peej credit. I just won't pine for his return, or wax poetic about what a great recruiter he was.

I'm not going to pretend those #3 ranked classes are still #1 after 10 guys quit, go to jail, or never show up.

I'm not going to buy into the "greatest team ever" nonsense when you have the best schedule in 40 years.

And I'm certainly not buying his love of Western and of Kalamazoo.

I enjoyed last season, but I'm far more impressed by what I see now than I ever was in Fleck's 4 years.

The biggest thing of note that you have mentioned... is that many of PJ's #1 classes were wrought with guys that didn't even make grades or left early... or were arrested... If you go back and look... a bunch of talent left those classes before even hitting the field with the bronco's...

PJ loved PJ... not Kalamazoo... not WMU... and for gosh sakes not Minnesota... PJ is all about PJ... we hooked an up an coming kid coach with excitement who brought us some great success with Football at WMU... he got it started... He set up Lester perfectly... now lets not get all cranky with each other and keep moving this train forward!