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So Liberty is outspending every CUSA school, Boise State and JMU too. Crazy how much cash they have. The article also implies that ODU is not investing in hoops as much as it's in-state rivals, coming in fifth at best and maybe sixth or lower (article only lists the top 4). I would hope our goal would be to have the third best resources in the state considering we have a full FBS program and a long history of great basketball. Dreaming to out do VT and UVA on a regular basis is likely not realistic any more considering all the free money they get by sewing a patch on their jerseys.

it seems we dont hear very much good news pertaining to our school or sports program any more, are we in a free fall or do we just not post the good news as much? Feels kinda dire when I read some of these threads with the state of our basketball programs, limited football stadium plans and budget in particular.

(06-27-2017 02:43 PM)ODUguy1999 Wrote:  it seems we dont hear very much good news pertaining to our school or sports program any more, are we in a free fall or do we just not post the good news as much? Feels kinda dire when I read some of these threads with the state of our basketball programs, limited football stadium plans and budget in particular.

A 6-year absence from the NCAAs and zero big men recruits tend to do that.

Football is providing plenty of good news. We'll see what Women's Basketball does soon.

(06-27-2017 02:46 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 02:43 PM)ODUguy1999 Wrote:  it seems we dont hear very much good news pertaining to our school or sports program any more, are we in a free fall or do we just not post the good news as much? Feels kinda dire when I read some of these threads with the state of our basketball programs, limited football stadium plans and budget in particular.

A 6-year absence from the NCAAs and zero big men recruits tend to do that.

Football is providing plenty of good news. We'll see what Women's Basketball does soon.

To be fair, half our posters were demanding that we fire BW 1/3 of the way through last season.

Third may be out of reach. Liberty has more money than, well, God

(06-27-2017 02:51 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 02:46 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 02:43 PM)ODUguy1999 Wrote:  it seems we dont hear very much good news pertaining to our school or sports program any more, are we in a free fall or do we just not post the good news as much? Feels kinda dire when I read some of these threads with the state of our basketball programs, limited football stadium plans and budget in particular.

A 6-year absence from the NCAAs and zero big men recruits tend to do that.

Football is providing plenty of good news. We'll see what Women's Basketball does soon.

To be fair, half our posters were demanding that we fire BW 1/3 of the way through last season.

If we lose more than 2-3 games next year, he will be on the chopping block again. FCS COACHES!

As much as this pains me to say it, being in a conference with Liberty and JMU might not be the worst thing. They are equal to us in budget and close by. If Liberty can turn itself into the new BYU they could be a good conference mate.

I think the dream of getting close to VT included the dream of advancing into a better conference. That dream seems to be slowly dying, and the dream took a pretty big hit after Wichita State got the invite. I get this feeling of just being stuck. At least football is using its momentum properly and hope it continues. We will be truly lost as a message board if we have a failure of a football season this year.

With a unproven QB, I'll be satisfied with 6 wins and a Bowl game. Anything else is icing on the cake.

(06-27-2017 03:14 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  With a unproven QB, I'll be satisfied with 6 wins and a Bowl game. Anything else is icing on the cake.

I agree. Just get to a bowl game this year. Especially since the schedule is certainly harder than last year. I'm more concerned about the program once Lawry and Ximines graduate. Its time to bring in a top half recruiting class in football. As far as good news goes....

• We have a new stadium being built one way or another
• We have two great sounding men's hoops recruits coming in (even if they are backcourt players) and a redshirt Freshman who should also be good.
• Practice facility was just finished
• We made what looks to be a home run hire for womens basketball coach.

(06-27-2017 03:01 PM)odu09 Wrote:  I think the dream of getting close to VT included the dream of advancing into a better conference. That dream seems to be slowly dying, and the dream took a pretty big hit after Wichita State got the invite. I get this feeling of just being stuck. At least football is using its momentum properly and hope it continues. We will be truly lost as a message board if we have a failure of a football season this year.

Yes. The catching VT plan extends well beyond athletics. When I was enrolling in ODU over 20 years ago now, part of the selling point was that we were striving to compete (or "be" the next) with VT as a research university building top programs in science, technology and engineering. When Dr. Koch was President that seemed to be the trajectory and there is little doubt that ODUs academics have risen considerably. The problem is, the schools we want to catch continue to progress as well, and often at a rate faster than we are. So while we all are moving forward, the gap actually widens rather than closes. Athletically speaking, we were equal or better than VT in hoops for a long time, then the magic ACC patch was sewn onto their jersey, we beat them 4 out of 5 times and we never played again. Until we get into a P5 program, which is unlikely in my lifetime, I don't see how our football program will ever catch theirs. We will certainly win a game or two here and there, but I bet we are never favored.

(06-27-2017 03:14 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  With a unproven QB, I'll be satisfied with 6 wins and a Bowl game. Anything else is icing on the cake.

Right on point !

(06-27-2017 02:57 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  As much as this pains me to say it, being in a conference with Liberty and JMU might not be the worst thing. They are equal to us in budget and close by. If Liberty can turn itself into the new BYU they could be a good conference mate.

The question might be "Does Liberty want to be in a conference with us and JMU?". I think their aspirations extend well beyond a regional conference affiliation.


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(06-27-2017 09:44 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 02:57 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  As much as this pains me to say it, being in a conference with Liberty and JMU might not be the worst thing. They are equal to us in budget and close by. If Liberty can turn itself into the new BYU they could be a good conference mate.

The question might be "Does Liberty want to be in a conference with us and JMU?". I think their aspirations extend well beyond a regional conference affiliation.


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Liberty's in the Big South. They were very public about their desire to be in the Sun Belt and they did not get an invitation. Their aspirations may well be for something huge, but I think it's going to take them a long time to get there, even with the money in hand.

(06-27-2017 02:51 PM)T-Mac Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 02:46 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 02:43 PM)ODUguy1999 Wrote:  it seems we dont hear very much good news pertaining to our school or sports program any more, are we in a free fall or do we just not post the good news as much? Feels kinda dire when I read some of these threads with the state of our basketball programs, limited football stadium plans and budget in particular.

A 6-year absence from the NCAAs and zero big men recruits tend to do that.

Football is providing plenty of good news. We'll see what Women's Basketball does soon.

To be fair, half our posters were demanding that we fire BW 1/3 of the way through last season.

Ahhh yes, the hyperbole machine is in full force. Defend and deflect from the garbage that is Jeff Jones at all costs.

Next thing you know you and Giles will be trying to convince us Blaine Taylor just had a cold and everything was fine under him too. Lol

We will not come anywhere close to catching VT.

We decided to add a few thousand seats to our decrepit out-dated stadium. It screams small time. They play in the ACC in front of 60k+ rabid fans.

They hired a real coach to replace their past his prime once great coach in football and hired a guy who does nothing but win in basketball.

Bobby has been a great program salesman for odu and put us on the map but he is limited in what he can do with our lack of resources and vision for the program. Jones is a total lost cause who will most likely be gone in a year or two.

A total lack of vision and leadership will make sure we never catch VT. Let's just hope Liberty doesn't catch and pass us.

It is now the era of the P5 conferences having all the power, getting all the money,and totally shutting out the mid-majors.The truth is schools like ODU and other mid-majors are at such a disadvantage when it comes to the P5 schools that a new governing body needs to be developed. The NCAA has totally turned it's back on the mid-majors. With the new transfer rules the mid-majors are becoming a minor league for the P5 schools. In the near future you will see kids who develop at schools like those in CUSA being quietly recruited to transfer to a P5 school under the promise of it being a better route to the pros. Unless something happens and happens soon the days of schools like ODU being able to compete with the UVAs and the VA.Techs are over.The sad truth is it is probably already too late. This is because the NCAA sold us out to ESPN years ago and it is now a weak governing body being run by the P5 schools. A good example of this is the P5 schools getting 8 to 10 teams in the NCAA tournament. When this happens where do those slats come from. They come at the expense of the mid-majors. The few mids that get in are seeded so they are gone asap. The future of the mid-majors is not good at all.

(06-27-2017 10:54 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  A total lack of vision and leadership will make sure we never catch VT. Let's just hope Liberty doesn't catch and pass us.

It's been awhile but I'm agreeing with you on this one. The gap is wide and that LU threat is real.

It's time to stop looking for comfort and start to compete a little bit. And I'm not sure the conference gap between VT and us is all of the problem. We are just doing nothing with our natural advantages and geographic positioning and that's the real shame in all this. It just irks the **** out of me that JMU has the kind of radio presence in Hampton Roads from 4 hours away as a FCS program and we cannot even see ourselves trying to grow the fanbase outside of the southside. Football recruiting will not take a step when we are asking kids to play in a FCS level building. It's just a waste of an amazing opportunity to grow something.

(06-28-2017 11:17 AM)FearTheLion Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 10:54 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  A total lack of vision and leadership will make sure we never catch VT. Let's just hope Liberty doesn't catch and pass us.

It's been awhile but I'm agreeing with you on this one. The gap is wide and that LU threat is real.

It's time to stop looking for comfort and start to compete a little bit. And I'm not sure the conference gap between VT and us is all of the problem. We are just doing nothing with our natural advantages and geographic positioning and that's the real shame in all this. It just irks the **** out of me that JMU has the kind of radio presence in Hampton Roads from 4 hours away as a FCS program and we cannot even see ourselves trying to grow the fanbase outside of the southside. Football recruiting will not take a step when we are asking kids to play in a FCS level building. It's just a waste of an amazing opportunity to grow something.

LU will catch us and pass us. They are not held down by the State, they have huge #s of donors that donate, and the have instilled school pride and commitment into their students and alumni. They are set up for success. We are not. State legislators are putting road block after road blocks both academically and athletically in front of us every step of the way. While we have a large donor pool our donor participation rate and level of giving is well below what it should be, and finally there is little effort to engage students to develop pride, traditions, and commitment long tern to the university.

It's a bit unfair that the HR region is so populous and prosperous but ODU has to go to the same well for funds as everyone else. We certainly pay more state taxes than Bburg or Hburg but the money collected here gets spent over there. A little more regional pride couldn't hurt ODU's cause.

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