The unofficial online home for fans of the Old Dominion University Monarchs. Part of Collegiate Sports Nation (CSN).

(06-28-2017 11:52 AM)ODU2017 Wrote:  It's a bit unfair that the HR region is so populous and prosperous but ODU has to go to the same well for funds as everyone else. We certainly pay more state taxes than Bburg or Hburg but the money collected here gets spent over there. A little more regional pride couldn't hurt ODU's cause.

Sent from my SM-G930F using CSNbbs mobile app

Part of it has to do with the fact that while HR is very populous, each city acts on their own. Just on these boards alone I've read a lot about that and it fires people up.

(06-28-2017 11:52 AM)ODU2017 Wrote:  It's a bit unfair that the HR region is so populous and prosperous but ODU has to go to the same well for funds as everyone else. We certainly pay more state taxes than Bburg or Hburg but the money collected here gets spent over there. A little more regional pride couldn't hurt ODU's cause.

Sent from my SM-G930F using CSNbbs mobile app

The sooner ODU stops whining about what the legislature is not doing, and starts focusing on setting real, aspirational goals, the better off everyone will be. We have to stop making the Gov't the bogeyman, and start fighting for what we want. Maybe that fight starts in Richmond where we should be beating down the doors to level the playing field if it is really so tilted. All I ever hear is why we can't do things. If you want to make a change, sometimes you have to get your hands dirty.

I agree with MB. ODU isn't being held back because it isn't "bucking" for anything. ODU is holding itself back because it is happy where it is. Donors are comfortable and are asking for even more comfort.

No institution in Virginia, with the possible exception of George Mason, has a better opportunity to take advantage of research, teaching, economic impact, and yes, athletics than Old Dominion. We just have to see the possibility and make it happen. The State of Virginia is not responsible for growing ODU.

This university has tons of built in potential all around it. It needs to start bucking for more impact and influence.

(06-27-2017 02:12 PM)monarx Wrote:  https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...e2474.html

So Liberty is outspending every CUSA school, Boise State and JMU too. Crazy how much cash they have. The article also implies that ODU is not investing in hoops as much as it's in-state rivals, coming in fifth at best and maybe sixth or lower (article only lists the top 4). I would hope our goal would be to have the third best resources in the state considering we have a full FBS program and a long history of great basketball. Dreaming to out do VT and UVA on a regular basis is likely not realistic any more considering all the free money they get by sewing a patch on their jerseys.

They are outspending everyone because they have an online revenue stream that they use in a way that no self respecting university President would allow to be used the way they do. Excuse the rest of us for investing you know law buildings and biomedical research. LOL

(06-30-2017 09:16 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 02:12 PM)monarx Wrote:  https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...e2474.html

So Liberty is outspending every CUSA school, Boise State and JMU too. Crazy how much cash they have. The article also implies that ODU is not investing in hoops as much as it's in-state rivals, coming in fifth at best and maybe sixth or lower (article only lists the top 4). I would hope our goal would be to have the third best resources in the state considering we have a full FBS program and a long history of great basketball. Dreaming to out do VT and UVA on a regular basis is likely not realistic any more considering all the free money they get by sewing a patch on their jerseys.

They are outspending everyone because they have an online revenue stream that they use in a way that no self respecting university President would allow to be used the way they do. Excuse the rest of us for investing you know law buildings and biomedical research. LOL

They're doing a lot on the academic side as well.

They have nice facilities but if thier athletic operating budgets are really that high they're not really getting too good of a ROI in my opinion.

And they now have a law school, nursing program and fast rising communication program. Believe it or not, Liberty seems to be rising very fast. It's not the same place it was 20 years ago.

(06-28-2017 12:39 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  I agree with MB. ODU isn't being held back because it isn't "bucking" for anything. ODU is holding itself back because it is happy where it is. Donors are comfortable and are asking for even more comfort.

No institution in Virginia, with the possible exception of George Mason, has a better opportunity to take advantage of research, teaching, economic impact, and yes, athletics than Old Dominion. We just have to see the possibility and make it happen. The State of Virginia is not responsible for growing ODU.

This university has tons of built in potential all around it. It needs to start bucking for more impact and influence.

Let me explain a little bit to all of you all that don't think the state controls what happens to ODU. UVA, JMU, and VT were told they had to take more students from the state this past year. What's the big deal ....right ??? Well that reduced the in state student pool for ODU and ODU still had to maintain our in state #s. Then those schools told the state they needed more funding to meet that requirement because of the difference between out of state tuition and in state. The state took care of those institutions financially at our expense. State put limits on our student fees used for athletics which has limited our abilities to grow athletics. Finally, the state does limit our abilities our abilities to start new academic programs while they do not do the same for others. Did ODU get rewarded for increasing our diversity and growing opportunities for students that could not attended a Doctrate level Umiveraoty financially....No !

Sounds like our leadership is doing a **** job of lobbying Richmond, no?

Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk

(07-01-2017 11:35 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Sounds like our leadership is doing a **** job of lobbying Richmond, no?

Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk

Nobody said that...they do the best they can but the state legislature is stacked against us.

Agree. We are the token nod to diversity. The highly conservative House could care less about ODU. We don't produce anywhere near enough white, older lawyers who are legislators to have much influence.

(07-02-2017 09:26 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Agree. We are the token nod to diversity. The highly conservative House could care less about ODU. We don't produce anywhere near enough white, older lawyers who are legislators to have much influence.

Sad but does appear to be true. I just don't see how CNU, VCU, Radford, Longwood etc don't suffer the same fate. And how did JMU get lumped in with the haves? Because they are almost exclusively white?

https://www.odu.edu/about/govtrelations

No updates since 2012 on that website. But we can ask those people questions. Might or might not get any answers.

(07-02-2017 06:33 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 11:35 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Sounds like our leadership is doing a **** job of lobbying Richmond, no?

Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk

Nobody said that...they do the best they can but the state legislature is stacked against us.

You're right. Its just The Man doesn't like poor little ODU. It couldn't possibly be that we don't do as good of a job representing our interests in Richmond as other schools, or that our admin is perfectly happy with what ODU is.

Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk

(07-02-2017 01:56 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 06:33 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 11:35 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  Sounds like our leadership is doing a **** job of lobbying Richmond, no?

Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk

Nobody said that...they do the best they can but the state legislature is stacked against us.

You're right. Its just The Man doesn't like poor little ODU. It couldn't possibly be that we don't do as good of a job representing our interests in Richmond as other schools, or that our admin is perfectly happy with what ODU is.

Sent from my Pixel C using Tapatalk

Nothing could be further than the truth. This socialist liberal governor and the ultra conservative Norment, who has a Conflict of interest with W&M, could care less about ODU. Our legislative representatives don't have any power to help us out. I say start going after a MUCH higher % of out of state students.

(06-30-2017 11:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 09:16 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 02:12 PM)monarx Wrote:  https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...e2474.html

So Liberty is outspending every CUSA school, Boise State and JMU too. Crazy how much cash they have. The article also implies that ODU is not investing in hoops as much as it's in-state rivals, coming in fifth at best and maybe sixth or lower (article only lists the top 4). I would hope our goal would be to have the third best resources in the state considering we have a full FBS program and a long history of great basketball. Dreaming to out do VT and UVA on a regular basis is likely not realistic any more considering all the free money they get by sewing a patch on their jerseys.

They are outspending everyone because they have an online revenue stream that they use in a way that no self respecting university President would allow to be used the way they do. Excuse the rest of us for investing you know law buildings and biomedical research. LOL

They're doing a lot on the academic side as well.

They have nice facilities but if thier athletic operating budgets are really that high they're not really getting too good of a ROI in my opinion.

(07-01-2017 04:24 PM)monarx Wrote:  And they now have a law school, nursing program and fast rising communication program. Believe it or not, Liberty seems to be rising very fast. It's not the same place it was 20 years ago.

I would not worry about Liberty. They excel in nothing academically.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/lib...l-rankings

Just think of it this way. The SBC has vetted the universe and Liberty cannot get in. Coastal is viewed as a better candidate!

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

(07-02-2017 05:11 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 11:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 09:16 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 02:12 PM)monarx Wrote:  https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...e2474.html

So Liberty is outspending every CUSA school, Boise State and JMU too. Crazy how much cash they have. The article also implies that ODU is not investing in hoops as much as it's in-state rivals, coming in fifth at best and maybe sixth or lower (article only lists the top 4). I would hope our goal would be to have the third best resources in the state considering we have a full FBS program and a long history of great basketball. Dreaming to out do VT and UVA on a regular basis is likely not realistic any more considering all the free money they get by sewing a patch on their jerseys.

They are outspending everyone because they have an online revenue stream that they use in a way that no self respecting university President would allow to be used the way they do. Excuse the rest of us for investing you know law buildings and biomedical research. LOL

They're doing a lot on the academic side as well.

They have nice facilities but if thier athletic operating budgets are really that high they're not really getting too good of a ROI in my opinion.

(07-01-2017 04:24 PM)monarx Wrote:  And they now have a law school, nursing program and fast rising communication program. Believe it or not, Liberty seems to be rising very fast. It's not the same place it was 20 years ago.

I would not worry about Liberty. They excel in nothing academically.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/lib...l-rankings

Just think of it this way. The SBC has vetted the universe and Liberty cannot get in. Coastal is viewed as a better candidate!

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

PantyMa, are you ever going to get over LU beating your pathetic Panthers, at home, in front of how many fans in Atlanta? All this time you spend in bashing LU in all ways possible would be better spent on developing a fan base and excelling in the SBC. We all get how justifiably sensitive it is when one is a fan of a program and the program languishes like GaSt. Rather than continue to bash LU, which you have done on multiple occasions, especially with the GaSt loss, rise up and support your team. It's more credible than bashing others.

(07-02-2017 06:02 PM)NewTimes Wrote:  

(07-02-2017 05:11 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 11:25 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 09:16 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-27-2017 02:12 PM)monarx Wrote:  https://pilotonline.com/sports/college/o...e2474.html

So Liberty is outspending every CUSA school, Boise State and JMU too. Crazy how much cash they have. The article also implies that ODU is not investing in hoops as much as it's in-state rivals, coming in fifth at best and maybe sixth or lower (article only lists the top 4). I would hope our goal would be to have the third best resources in the state considering we have a full FBS program and a long history of great basketball. Dreaming to out do VT and UVA on a regular basis is likely not realistic any more considering all the free money they get by sewing a patch on their jerseys.

They are outspending everyone because they have an online revenue stream that they use in a way that no self respecting university President would allow to be used the way they do. Excuse the rest of us for investing you know law buildings and biomedical research. LOL

They're doing a lot on the academic side as well.

They have nice facilities but if thier athletic operating budgets are really that high they're not really getting too good of a ROI in my opinion.

(07-01-2017 04:24 PM)monarx Wrote:  And they now have a law school, nursing program and fast rising communication program. Believe it or not, Liberty seems to be rising very fast. It's not the same place it was 20 years ago.

I would not worry about Liberty. They excel in nothing academically.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/lib...l-rankings

Just think of it this way. The SBC has vetted the universe and Liberty cannot get in. Coastal is viewed as a better candidate!

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

PantyMa, are you ever going to get over LU beating your pathetic Panthers, at home, in front of how many fans in Atlanta? All this time you spend in bashing LU in all ways possible would be better spent on developing a fan base and excelling in the SBC. We all get how justifiably sensitive it is when one is a fan of a program and the program languishes like GaSt. Rather than continue to bash LU, which you have done on multiple occasions, especially with the GaSt loss, rise up and support your team. It's more credible than bashing others.

There is nothing I said that is not factual.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk