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Imagine if JJ did this....
Many complain about JJ's/Bobby's/ODU's discipline policies but we could have this issue to deal with. I would rather have clear cut rules and consequences than to allow one of our players to participate with this over their heads.

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06-27-2017 08:17 AM
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RE: Imagine if JJ did this....
It appears that the discipline rules are ODU's, not JJ's or BW's or Wood's. My understanding is most of it is beyond their control. I'm conflicted about it.
06-27-2017 08:22 AM
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RE: Imagine if JJ did this....
I'm conflicted as well. Anybody can accuse anyone of anything. Seems until a person is found guilty legally, they should be able to participate at the coach's discretion. In an instance where its obvious a person is guilty, where there is clear video evidence or something like that, a coach could choose to dismiss a player before a verdict, but when its unclear, it seems unfair to a person to punish them and their team for what could be false charges. Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing... for now.
06-27-2017 08:27 AM
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RE: Imagine if JJ did this....
(06-27-2017 08:17 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  Many complain about JJ's/Bobby's/ODU's discipline policies but we could have this issue to deal with. I would rather have clear cut rules and consequences than to allow one of our players to participate with this over their heads.

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktake...d8e34afdc8

Sheesh... Oregon again? WTH is going on up in Eugene?
06-27-2017 08:47 AM
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RE: Imagine if JJ did this....
Why shouldn't he be allowed to play? Because someone (quite possibly falsely) accused him of something? He hasn't been convicted of anything.
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RE: Imagine if JJ did this....
(06-27-2017 08:22 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  It appears that the discipline rules are ODU's, not JJ's or BW's or Wood's. My understanding is most of it is beyond their control. I'm conflicted about it.

Discipline rules are ODUs, but who decides to go out of their way to seek offenders (witch hunt)? That is what I want to know.
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RE: Imagine if JJ did this....
I would imagine it's the coaches' responsibility (don't really know). I also imagine the penalty for someone/coach/whomever turning a blind eye to it would be pretty extreme once it was discovered.
06-27-2017 09:06 AM
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(06-27-2017 09:06 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  I would imagine it's the coaches' responsibility (don't really know). I also imagine the penalty for someone/coach/whomever turning a blind eye to it would be pretty extreme once it was discovered.

I highly doubt marijuana consumption is expressly allowed at MTSU, UAB, UNCW, or VCU. Our problem is everyone else turns a blind eye to it so we put ourselves at a huge competitive disadvantage. And for what? It isn't a big deal anymore. Not sure what we are trying to prove. I'd be willing to bet the fact that we go out of our way to test multiple times per year to include in the offseason has had an effect that has played a role in our recruiting failures.
06-27-2017 09:39 AM
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RE: Imagine if JJ did this....
(06-27-2017 08:27 AM)monarx Wrote:  I'm conflicted as well. Anybody can accuse anyone of anything. Seems until a person is found guilty legally, they should be able to participate at the coach's discretion. In an instance where its obvious a person is guilty, where there is clear video evidence or something like that, a coach could choose to dismiss a player before a verdict, but when its unclear, it seems unfair to a person to punish them and their team for what could be false charges. Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing... for now.

I agree. I am not sure how it is fair to keep a kid from playing when he has not been charged, let alone convicted of any wrongdoing. If he did it, he should rot is prison, but until there is some evidence, I think it would be wrong to suspend him just in case he may have done something wrong.
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RE: Imagine if JJ did this....
Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing or nah?

Is this really now what we are resorting too in order to justify JJ keeping his job? Jesus we are in more trouble than I thought.
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RE: Imagine if JJ did this....
(06-27-2017 08:22 AM)jumpshooter Wrote:  It appears that the discipline rules are ODU's, not JJ's or BW's or Wood's. My understanding is most of it is beyond their control. I'm conflicted about it.

Not sure about JJ or BW but Wood Selig definitely has a say so in the discipline rules.
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RE: Imagine if JJ did this....
(06-27-2017 10:58 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing or nah?

Is this really now what we are resorting too in order to justify JJ keeping his job? Jesus we are in more trouble than I thought.

Holy cow man, not every post is a justification for JJ to keep his job. While I would be okay with a coaching change, I also do not think he has done anything to lose it. But JJ's ability to keep a job was not the point of this post.
06-28-2017 07:48 AM
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(06-27-2017 08:47 AM)ODUi Wrote:  
(06-27-2017 08:17 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  Many complain about JJ's/Bobby's/ODU's discipline policies but we could have this issue to deal with. I would rather have clear cut rules and consequences than to allow one of our players to participate with this over their heads.

https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktake...d8e34afdc8

Sheesh... Oregon again? WTH is going on up in Eugene?

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06-28-2017 08:19 AM
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RE: Imagine if JJ did this....
(06-28-2017 07:48 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
(06-27-2017 10:58 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing or nah?

Is this really now what we are resorting too in order to justify JJ keeping his job? Jesus we are in more trouble than I thought.

Holy cow man, not every post is a justification for JJ to keep his job. While I would be okay with a coaching change, I also do not think he has done anything to lose it. But JJ's ability to keep a job was not the point of this post.

The title of the the thread is literally imagine if JJ did this lol.
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RE: Imagine if JJ did this....
(06-28-2017 10:10 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 07:48 AM)BigBlueMonarch Wrote:  
(06-27-2017 10:58 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  Innocent until proven guilty is still a thing or nah?

Is this really now what we are resorting too in order to justify JJ keeping his job? Jesus we are in more trouble than I thought.

Holy cow man, not every post is a justification for JJ to keep his job. While I would be okay with a coaching change, I also do not think he has done anything to lose it. But JJ's ability to keep a job was not the point of this post.

The title of the the thread is literally imagine if JJ did this lol.

Some of us middle-aged folk (Gen Xers) have a completely different mindset that others cannot relate to. The topic was supposed to be a piece of passive-aggressive snark meant to defend JJ, but they don't understand that most of us it is directed toward (we all seem to be Xers) would have been perfectly fine with JJ taking a shot on someone that was accused of something without evidence, especially if his character otherwise checks out fine. We don't judge people on social justice perceptions like millennials and we don't judge people just on instinct like boomers. If he was convicted of something or there is a pattern of breaking the principle of non-aggression... different story (we supported Javonte Douglas's dismissal).
06-29-2017 08:18 AM
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RE: Imagine if JJ did this....
Interview w/ JJ from last weekend. https://soundcloud.com/user-943507039/in...nes#t=0:00
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RE: Imagine if JJ did this....
JJ -- "getting out of transition -- playing a little faster". Could we see a real change in the game we play this year?
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(06-29-2017 09:15 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  JJ -- "getting out of transition -- playing a little faster". Could we see a real change in the game we play this year?

One would hope so. But I'll believe it when I see it. He has said similar things throughout his tenure.
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RE: Imagine if JJ did this....
I am not sure that he has a choice with this roster.

Those people that complain about the pace over the past few seasons, don't understand the roster makeup at all. You can go year by year and show why Jones played the style that he did.
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(06-29-2017 08:34 AM)ODU_NYG Wrote:  Interview w/ JJ from last weekend. https://soundcloud.com/user-943507039/in...nes#t=0:00

Paraphrasing the transcript for anyone who can't listen. I bolded the most valuable response.

They start off by talking about the HS tournament happening, cool.

941: How do you reflect on the past year?
JJ: 19 wins wasn't the goal, we gave some games away (namely 3 that he could think of) solid season but not near what they would have liked. 4 best players coming down the stretch were soph. Hoping to be more mature in those situations next season. Fully expect to be good, the real question is depth. Can you get over injuries and bumps in the road? Have everyone here for summer school including Marquis and Michael (Godwin/Hueitt).

941: Replacing guys like Talley, Taylor, Baker, got some new faces and high profile transfers. What's the outlook for them along with the freshmen?
JJ: The freshman can come in and each of them give us something that we badly need - perimeter shooting. Didn't have that 1 or 2 guys last year to stretch the defense. Getting the freshman gives us an element we badly needed. Justice has to sit this year, but will work hard. McClinton tore ACL and had surgery, but we are trying to work with NCAA to get an extension and get a 6th year while spending this year on Masters.

941: What are you (JJ) allowed to do with the kids during the offseason with everyone on campus?
JJ: We're allowed 8 hours of basketball related activity (conditions, weight lifting, film, on-court bball) right now only 2 of those hours are allowed to be on-court bball with either the group or individuals. We do it with individuals to work on offensive skill work and shooting, spending a lot of one-on-one time. Lifting 4-5 times a week, see lots of gains at this time of the year. Once the season starts you maintain the bulk. In addition everyone is taking at least one summer school class, some with two.

941: Are they allowed to play in summer league?
JJ: They can play in summer league, but it's hard for them to due to the hectic schedule. Our guys are playing pickup in the new practice facility with a number of guys who play collegiately and are local or professionals who are here locally.

941: How do you divide up the 8 hours and what's the talk of it? There's some controversy around it. Plus, you aren't allowed to watch the pickup games?
JJ: We could watch them play but it would count as the 2 hours of on-court. So the pickup is good for the players since they like it but there is limited benefit - don't want to include it as official time.

941: Rules related to you and recruiting. Explain what you (JJ) can do during the offseason.
JJ: Right now until July we can't have prospects come on campus with their families and take unofficial visits. Unofficial just means they pay their own way. Once July hits it becomes a dead period for unofficial visits but then there are 3 four day periods where college coaches can go out to sites like the Peach Jam to watch teams compete in AAU tournaments. The 2nd and 3rd week there's different locations. Vegas is usually the last week with 200-300 teams competing. The mid major coaches spend 8am to midnight in the gym to evaluate the kids you are trying to recruit (the kids going to high major schools are easier to pick out).

941: How has the recruiting strategy changed from 2013 if at all, and are you a believer in altering your style based on the players you have or making them adapt to the way you play?
JJ: The biggest lesson we learned from T Holland is you don't take a round peg and fit in square hole. It's our job as coaches to make changes, sometimes drastic, based on personnel. It's our job to make our kids successful. You saw a shift around the halfway mark last season on how we were playing - we were playing a smaller lineup more often and spread the floor and allowed our players to attack off the dribble. That's how we see ourselves next year, getting ahead in transition, just makes more sense for this group to take advantage of the athleticism of these guys. There has been a subtle change that will be more prevalent going into this season.

They talk some NCAA changes from last season, pretty dry stuff so I left it out. Summed it up by saying with 351 programs with different budgets, it's really hard to find a one-size-fits-all strategy with rules. Dives into transfers and JJ says it's a mess right now and not good for the kids or for the college.

941: MTSU made back-to-back championships but lose 2 key players, Rice loses Rhoades and Evans, how does JJ size up CUSA?
JJ: I was with Rhoades earlier this week. Rice took a huge hit, they lost a lot of players and they've had to replenish their whole roster. MTSU will be good again, UAB will be very talented, WKU is probably the team everyone has their eye on. They've done an amazing job amassing talent down there, doing stuff no one in CUSA has ever done. Positive: extremely talented. The key will be they are all new and young and will need to develop chemistry. They are the preseason favorites without question. UTEP lost key guys but Floyd is such a good coach that even if they start slow he reinvents the team during the nonconference schedule and is competitive in the conference schedule.
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