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From the link.

Indeed, since joining the ACC, Louisville is a combined 333-106 in football, men’s and women’s basketball, and baseball. That .759 winning percentage in the four major sports paces the league by a wide margin — Florida State is next at .703 (312-132).

Moreover, the Louisville market devours college sports on television like few, if any, in the country, a boon to the ACC Network that launches in 2019 in conjunction with ESPN.

Even the classroom component has worked. In men’s basketball, the Cardinals have a perfect NCAA Academic Progress Rate of 1,000. Their most recent football APR of 988 trailed only Duke’s 992 in the ACC.
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Can't Argue with Teel article...even his point on Pitino...
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David Teel is the best reporter who covers the ACC. His pieces are always very well researched and well written.

However, I don't really see the issue here? This is what Louisville is and what it has always been. This is what the ACC signed up for when they accepted Louisville into the conference.

Look, Louisville is an SEC program competing in the ACC. That's what they are and that is what they will always be.

Do you want to hear a crazy story? I have a friend – more of a friendly acquaintance – who used to be an assistant basketball coach at UNLV under Jerry Tarkanian. He once told me that if he would get to a recruit's house or school and see either a Kentucky or Louisville coach there, he would turn around and get right back on the airplane because he knew that UNLV could not afford to pay the kids as much as Louisville and Kentucky were willing to pay. That is straight from the horse's mouth and it was long before Tom Jurich or Rick Pitino came aboard.

Hell, that's why the ACC turned to the Cardinals in the first place. The ACC needed a program it knew it could count on to be successful on the field/court and Louisville was as safe a bet as you could make at the time because the Cardinals have proven again and again over the years that they are going to do whatever they need to do to be successful. They were certainly a safer bet than Syracuse and Pitt – which have been FAR less successful on the field/court. How satisfied do you think Florida State, for example, has been with those two additions despite their "integrity?"

Obviously Louisville is a win-at-all-costs institution. Who didn't know that? Obviously they regularly have severe ethical lapses. Again, that's nothing new. But guess what, the ACC has become a win-at-all-costs conference.

My point is not to skewer Louisville or to acquit them. It is just to acknowledge the obvious truth that nobody there cares about being seen as ethical, so why are we pretending to hold them to some sort of phony standard that they don't even hold themselves to?

I mean they rehired Bobby Petrino AFTER he got into a high profile motorcycle accident with his concubine. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They held onto Rick Pitino after he was paying for abortions and banging waitresses in the back of his restaurant. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to leave them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They brought Willie Williams onto their campus after he'd been arrested and convicted like 47 times. Nobody cared. He was a good player who is going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

The ACC needs to come down off it's high horse and acknowledge that it entered into this arrangement with its eyes wide open. As far as I'm concerned, Louisville has more than upheld it's end of the bargain. As far as the warts, that issue was settled on the day the ACC invited Louisville into the conference.

I just think getting upset with Louisville for cheating or behaving unethically is a bit like getting mad at my dog for barking.

However, the ACC will soon have its very own television network and part of the reason for that is the success of programs like Louisville.… and North Carolina… and Syracuse… and Miami… and Florida State… All programs that have been severely sanctioned by the NCAA but also all programs that have won big in various high profile sports. Are we going to give that money back? Of course not, so why don't we just swallow hard and accept the reality of who we are?
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(06-27-2017 08:04 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  David Teel is the best reporter who covers the ACC. His pieces are always very well researched and well written.

However, I don't really see the issue here? This is what Louisville is and what it has always been. This is what the ACC signed up for when they accepted Louisville into the conference.

Look, Louisville is an SEC program competing in the ACC. That's what they are and that is what they will always be.

Do you want to hear a crazy story? I have a friend – more of a friendly acquaintance – who used to be an assistant basketball coach at UNLV under Jerry Tarkanian. He once told me that if he would get to a recruit's house or school and see either a Kentucky or Louisville coach there, he would turn around and get right back on the airplane because he knew that UNLV could not afford to pay the kids as much as Louisville and Kentucky were willing to pay. That is straight from the horse's mouth and it was long before Tom Jurich or Rick Pitino came aboard.

Hell, that's why the ACC turned to the Cardinals in the first place. The ACC needed a program it knew it could count on to be successful on the field/court and Louisville was as safe a bet as you could make at the time because the Cardinals have proven again and again over the years that they are going to do whatever they need to do to be successful. They were certainly a safer bet than Syracuse and Pitt – which have been FAR less successful on the field/court. How satisfied do you think Florida State, for example, has been with those two additions despite their "integrity?"

Obviously Louisville is a win-at-all-costs institution. Who didn't know that? Obviously they regularly have severe ethical lapses. Again, that's nothing new. But guess what, the ACC has become a win-at-all-costs conference.

My point is not to skewer Louisville or to acquit them. It is just to acknowledge the obvious truth that nobody there cares about being seen as ethical, so why are we pretending to hold them to some sort of phony standard that they don't even hold themselves to?

I mean they rehired Bobby Petrino AFTER he got into a high profile motorcycle accident with his concubine. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They held onto Rick Pitino after he was paying for abortions and banging waitresses in the back of his restaurant. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to leave them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They brought Willie Williams onto their campus after he'd been arrested and convicted like 47 times. Nobody cared. He was a good player who is going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

The ACC needs to come down off it's high horse and acknowledge that it entered into this arrangement with its eyes wide open. As far as I'm concerned, Louisville has more than upheld it's end of the bargain. As far as the warts, that issue was settled on the day the ACC invited Louisville into the conference.

I just think getting upset with Louisville for cheating or behaving unethically is a bit like getting mad at my dog for barking.

However, the ACC will soon have its very own television network and part of the reason for that is the success of programs like Louisville.… and North Carolina… and Syracuse… and Miami… and Florida State… All programs that have been severely sanctioned by the NCAA but also all programs that have won big in various high profile sports. Are we going to give that money back? Of course not, so why don't we just swallow hard and accept the reality of who we are?

You are so full of garbage and are downright lying
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(06-27-2017 08:04 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  David Teel is the best reporter who covers the ACC. His pieces are always very well researched and well written.

However, I don't really see the issue here? This is what Louisville is and what it has always been. This is what the ACC signed up for when they accepted Louisville into the conference.

Look, Louisville is an SEC program competing in the ACC. That's what they are and that is what they will always be.

Do you want to hear a crazy story? I have a friend – more of a friendly acquaintance – who used to be an assistant basketball coach at UNLV under Jerry Tarkanian. He once told me that if he would get to a recruit's house or school and see either a Kentucky or Louisville coach there, he would turn around and get right back on the airplane because he knew that UNLV could not afford to pay the kids as much as Louisville and Kentucky were willing to pay. That is straight from the horse's mouth and it was long before Tom Jurich or Rick Pitino came aboard.

Hell, that's why the ACC turned to the Cardinals in the first place. The ACC needed a program it knew it could count on to be successful on the field/court and Louisville was as safe a bet as you could make at the time because the Cardinals have proven again and again over the years that they are going to do whatever they need to do to be successful. They were certainly a safer bet than Syracuse and Pitt – which have been FAR less successful on the field/court. How satisfied do you think Florida State, for example, has been with those two additions despite their "integrity?"

Obviously Louisville is a win-at-all-costs institution. Who didn't know that? Obviously they regularly have severe ethical lapses. Again, that's nothing new. But guess what, the ACC has become a win-at-all-costs conference.

My point is not to skewer Louisville or to acquit them. It is just to acknowledge the obvious truth that nobody there cares about being seen as ethical, so why are we pretending to hold them to some sort of phony standard that they don't even hold themselves to?

I mean they rehired Bobby Petrino AFTER he got into a high profile motorcycle accident with his concubine. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They held onto Rick Pitino after he was paying for abortions and banging waitresses in the back of his restaurant. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to leave them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They brought Willie Williams onto their campus after he'd been arrested and convicted like 47 times. Nobody cared. He was a good player who is going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

The ACC needs to come down off it's high horse and acknowledge that it entered into this arrangement with its eyes wide open. As far as I'm concerned, Louisville has more than upheld it's end of the bargain. As far as the warts, that issue was settled on the day the ACC invited Louisville into the conference.

I just think getting upset with Louisville for cheating or behaving unethically is a bit like getting mad at my dog for barking.

However, the ACC will soon have its very own television network and part of the reason for that is the success of programs like Louisville.… and North Carolina… and Syracuse… and Miami… and Florida State… All programs that have been severely sanctioned by the NCAA but also all programs that have won big in various high profile sports. Are we going to give that money back? Of course not, so why don't we just swallow hard and accept the reality of who we are?

Hi All, I am back after a few months off the boards with a new handle (my old handle was omniorange).

Doc, love the majority of your posts. But honestly, outside the personal infractions by some Louisville coaches and the hookers for recruits, I would be fine if Syracuse did the rest AND got the results Louisville has had. 03-wink

If the NCAA operated back in the 60s the way they do now, half of UCLA's bb titles would be vacated. 03-lmfao

Cheers,
Neil
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(06-27-2017 08:04 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  David Teel is the best reporter who covers the ACC. His pieces are always very well researched and well written.

However, I don't really see the issue here? This is what Louisville is and what it has always been. This is what the ACC signed up for when they accepted Louisville into the conference.

Look, Louisville is an SEC program competing in the ACC. That's what they are and that is what they will always be.

Do you want to hear a crazy story? I have a friend – more of a friendly acquaintance – who used to be an assistant basketball coach at UNLV under Jerry Tarkanian. He once told me that if he would get to a recruit's house or school and see either a Kentucky or Louisville coach there, he would turn around and get right back on the airplane because he knew that UNLV could not afford to pay the kids as much as Louisville and Kentucky were willing to pay. That is straight from the horse's mouth and it was long before Tom Jurich or Rick Pitino came aboard.

Hell, that's why the ACC turned to the Cardinals in the first place. The ACC needed a program it knew it could count on to be successful on the field/court and Louisville was as safe a bet as you could make at the time because the Cardinals have proven again and again over the years that they are going to do whatever they need to do to be successful. They were certainly a safer bet than Syracuse and Pitt – which have been FAR less successful on the field/court. How satisfied do you think Florida State, for example, has been with those two additions despite their "integrity?"

Obviously Louisville is a win-at-all-costs institution. Who didn't know that? Obviously they regularly have severe ethical lapses. Again, that's nothing new. But guess what, the ACC has become a win-at-all-costs conference.

My point is not to skewer Louisville or to acquit them. It is just to acknowledge the obvious truth that nobody there cares about being seen as ethical, so why are we pretending to hold them to some sort of phony standard that they don't even hold themselves to?

I mean they rehired Bobby Petrino AFTER he got into a high profile motorcycle accident with his concubine. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They held onto Rick Pitino after he was paying for abortions and banging waitresses in the back of his restaurant. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to leave them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They brought Willie Williams onto their campus after he'd been arrested and convicted like 47 times. Nobody cared. He was a good player who is going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

The ACC needs to come down off it's high horse and acknowledge that it entered into this arrangement with its eyes wide open. As far as I'm concerned, Louisville has more than upheld it's end of the bargain. As far as the warts, that issue was settled on the day the ACC invited Louisville into the conference.

I just think getting upset with Louisville for cheating or behaving unethically is a bit like getting mad at my dog for barking.

However, the ACC will soon have its very own television network and part of the reason for that is the success of programs like Louisville.… and North Carolina… and Syracuse… and Miami… and Florida State… All programs that have been severely sanctioned by the NCAA but also all programs that have won big in various high profile sports. Are we going to give that money back? Of course not, so why don't we just swallow hard and accept the reality of who we are?



There's a lot that is factually wrong in your post, but I don't think you want facts. So I'll let you continue to believe what you want to believe. Like the climate change Kool Aid drinkers.
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(06-27-2017 08:04 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  However, the ACC will soon have its very own television network and part of the reason for that is the success of programs like Louisville.… and North Carolina… and Syracuse… and Miami… and Florida State… All programs that have been severely sanctioned by the NCAA but also all programs that have won big in various high profile sports.

When did that happen?
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(06-27-2017 04:30 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(06-27-2017 08:04 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  David Teel is the best reporter who covers the ACC. His pieces are always very well researched and well written.

However, I don't really see the issue here? This is what Louisville is and what it has always been. This is what the ACC signed up for when they accepted Louisville into the conference.

Look, Louisville is an SEC program competing in the ACC. That's what they are and that is what they will always be.

Do you want to hear a crazy story? I have a friend – more of a friendly acquaintance – who used to be an assistant basketball coach at UNLV under Jerry Tarkanian. He once told me that if he would get to a recruit's house or school and see either a Kentucky or Louisville coach there, he would turn around and get right back on the airplane because he knew that UNLV could not afford to pay the kids as much as Louisville and Kentucky were willing to pay. That is straight from the horse's mouth and it was long before Tom Jurich or Rick Pitino came aboard.

Hell, that's why the ACC turned to the Cardinals in the first place. The ACC needed a program it knew it could count on to be successful on the field/court and Louisville was as safe a bet as you could make at the time because the Cardinals have proven again and again over the years that they are going to do whatever they need to do to be successful. They were certainly a safer bet than Syracuse and Pitt – which have been FAR less successful on the field/court. How satisfied do you think Florida State, for example, has been with those two additions despite their "integrity?"

Obviously Louisville is a win-at-all-costs institution. Who didn't know that? Obviously they regularly have severe ethical lapses. Again, that's nothing new. But guess what, the ACC has become a win-at-all-costs conference.

My point is not to skewer Louisville or to acquit them. It is just to acknowledge the obvious truth that nobody there cares about being seen as ethical, so why are we pretending to hold them to some sort of phony standard that they don't even hold themselves to?

I mean they rehired Bobby Petrino AFTER he got into a high profile motorcycle accident with his concubine. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They held onto Rick Pitino after he was paying for abortions and banging waitresses in the back of his restaurant. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to leave them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They brought Willie Williams onto their campus after he'd been arrested and convicted like 47 times. Nobody cared. He was a good player who is going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

The ACC needs to come down off it's high horse and acknowledge that it entered into this arrangement with its eyes wide open. As far as I'm concerned, Louisville has more than upheld it's end of the bargain. As far as the warts, that issue was settled on the day the ACC invited Louisville into the conference.

I just think getting upset with Louisville for cheating or behaving unethically is a bit like getting mad at my dog for barking.

However, the ACC will soon have its very own television network and part of the reason for that is the success of programs like Louisville.… and North Carolina… and Syracuse… and Miami… and Florida State… All programs that have been severely sanctioned by the NCAA but also all programs that have won big in various high profile sports. Are we going to give that money back? Of course not, so why don't we just swallow hard and accept the reality of who we are?

Hi All, I am back after a few months off the boards with a new handle (my old handle was omniorange).

Doc, love the majority of your posts. But honestly, outside the personal infractions by some Louisville coaches and the hookers for recruits, I would be fine if Syracuse did the rest AND got the results Louisville has had. 03-wink

If the NCAA operated back in the 60s the way they do now, half of UCLA's bb titles would be vacated. 03-lmfao

Cheers,
Neil

Welcome back.
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(06-27-2017 08:04 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  David Teel is the best reporter who covers the ACC. His pieces are always very well researched and well written.

However, I don't really see the issue here? This is what Louisville is and what it has always been. This is what the ACC signed up for when they accepted Louisville into the conference.

Look, Louisville is an SEC program competing in the ACC. That's what they are and that is what they will always be.

Do you want to hear a crazy story? I have a friend – more of a friendly acquaintance – who used to be an assistant basketball coach at UNLV under Jerry Tarkanian. He once told me that if he would get to a recruit's house or school and see either a Kentucky or Louisville coach there, he would turn around and get right back on the airplane because he knew that UNLV could not afford to pay the kids as much as Louisville and Kentucky were willing to pay. That is straight from the horse's mouth and it was long before Tom Jurich or Rick Pitino came aboard.

Hell, that's why the ACC turned to the Cardinals in the first place. The ACC needed a program it knew it could count on to be successful on the field/court and Louisville was as safe a bet as you could make at the time because the Cardinals have proven again and again over the years that they are going to do whatever they need to do to be successful. They were certainly a safer bet than Syracuse and Pitt – which have been FAR less successful on the field/court. How satisfied do you think Florida State, for example, has been with those two additions despite their "integrity?"

Obviously Louisville is a win-at-all-costs institution. Who didn't know that? Obviously they regularly have severe ethical lapses. Again, that's nothing new. But guess what, the ACC has become a win-at-all-costs conference.

My point is not to skewer Louisville or to acquit them. It is just to acknowledge the obvious truth that nobody there cares about being seen as ethical, so why are we pretending to hold them to some sort of phony standard that they don't even hold themselves to?

I mean they rehired Bobby Petrino AFTER he got into a high profile motorcycle accident with his concubine. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They held onto Rick Pitino after he was paying for abortions and banging waitresses in the back of his restaurant. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to leave them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They brought Willie Williams onto their campus after he'd been arrested and convicted like 47 times. Nobody cared. He was a good player who is going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

The ACC needs to come down off it's high horse and acknowledge that it entered into this arrangement with its eyes wide open. As far as I'm concerned, Louisville has more than upheld it's end of the bargain. As far as the warts, that issue was settled on the day the ACC invited Louisville into the conference.

I just think getting upset with Louisville for cheating or behaving unethically is a bit like getting mad at my dog for barking.

However, the ACC will soon have its very own television network and part of the reason for that is the success of programs like Louisville.… and North Carolina… and Syracuse… and Miami… and Florida State… All programs that have been severely sanctioned by the NCAA but also all programs that have won big in various high profile sports. Are we going to give that money back? Of course not, so why don't we just swallow hard and accept the reality of who we are?

I think the specifics and tone of this are a little over the top...but I agree with this in the general spirit.

Obviously, schools should strive to be better than some of the worst things that happen...you don't want to cross that line on an ongoing basis. But the ACC needs some programs that are committed to winning. Sometimes that results in somebody getting overzealous and crossing a line...and sometimes it requires things that aren't in any way illegal, but force you to endure some bad optics.

It's not a garden party anymore, and hasn't been for a long time, whether some of the old hands in the ACC like it or not.
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(06-28-2017 07:28 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(06-27-2017 04:30 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  
(06-27-2017 08:04 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  David Teel is the best reporter who covers the ACC. His pieces are always very well researched and well written.

However, I don't really see the issue here? This is what Louisville is and what it has always been. This is what the ACC signed up for when they accepted Louisville into the conference.

Look, Louisville is an SEC program competing in the ACC. That's what they are and that is what they will always be.

Do you want to hear a crazy story? I have a friend – more of a friendly acquaintance – who used to be an assistant basketball coach at UNLV under Jerry Tarkanian. He once told me that if he would get to a recruit's house or school and see either a Kentucky or Louisville coach there, he would turn around and get right back on the airplane because he knew that UNLV could not afford to pay the kids as much as Louisville and Kentucky were willing to pay. That is straight from the horse's mouth and it was long before Tom Jurich or Rick Pitino came aboard.

Hell, that's why the ACC turned to the Cardinals in the first place. The ACC needed a program it knew it could count on to be successful on the field/court and Louisville was as safe a bet as you could make at the time because the Cardinals have proven again and again over the years that they are going to do whatever they need to do to be successful. They were certainly a safer bet than Syracuse and Pitt – which have been FAR less successful on the field/court. How satisfied do you think Florida State, for example, has been with those two additions despite their "integrity?"

Obviously Louisville is a win-at-all-costs institution. Who didn't know that? Obviously they regularly have severe ethical lapses. Again, that's nothing new. But guess what, the ACC has become a win-at-all-costs conference.

My point is not to skewer Louisville or to acquit them. It is just to acknowledge the obvious truth that nobody there cares about being seen as ethical, so why are we pretending to hold them to some sort of phony standard that they don't even hold themselves to?

I mean they rehired Bobby Petrino AFTER he got into a high profile motorcycle accident with his concubine. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They held onto Rick Pitino after he was paying for abortions and banging waitresses in the back of his restaurant. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to leave them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They brought Willie Williams onto their campus after he'd been arrested and convicted like 47 times. Nobody cared. He was a good player who is going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

The ACC needs to come down off it's high horse and acknowledge that it entered into this arrangement with its eyes wide open. As far as I'm concerned, Louisville has more than upheld it's end of the bargain. As far as the warts, that issue was settled on the day the ACC invited Louisville into the conference.

I just think getting upset with Louisville for cheating or behaving unethically is a bit like getting mad at my dog for barking.

However, the ACC will soon have its very own television network and part of the reason for that is the success of programs like Louisville.… and North Carolina… and Syracuse… and Miami… and Florida State… All programs that have been severely sanctioned by the NCAA but also all programs that have won big in various high profile sports. Are we going to give that money back? Of course not, so why don't we just swallow hard and accept the reality of who we are?

Hi All, I am back after a few months off the boards with a new handle (my old handle was omniorange).

Doc, love the majority of your posts. But honestly, outside the personal infractions by some Louisville coaches and the hookers for recruits, I would be fine if Syracuse did the rest AND got the results Louisville has had. 03-wink

If the NCAA operated back in the 60s the way they do now, half of UCLA's bb titles would be vacated. 03-lmfao

Cheers,
Neil

Welcome back.

Thanks, Lenvillecards

Cheers,
Neil
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(06-27-2017 04:30 PM)OrangeDude Wrote:  Hi All, I am back after a few months off the boards with a new handle (my old handle was omniorange).

You didn't have to create a new ID to change your name. If you wanted to keep your old feedback, you could have asked GTS to change the name of OmniOrange. You can change your name once a year.
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(06-27-2017 08:04 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  David Teel is the best reporter who covers the ACC. His pieces are always very well researched and well written.

However, I don't really see the issue here? This is what Louisville is and what it has always been. This is what the ACC signed up for when they accepted Louisville into the conference.

Look, Louisville is an SEC program competing in the ACC. That's what they are and that is what they will always be.

Do you want to hear a crazy story? I have a friend – more of a friendly acquaintance – who used to be an assistant basketball coach at UNLV under Jerry Tarkanian. He once told me that if he would get to a recruit's house or school and see either a Kentucky or Louisville coach there, he would turn around and get right back on the airplane because he knew that UNLV could not afford to pay the kids as much as Louisville and Kentucky were willing to pay. That is straight from the horse's mouth and it was long before Tom Jurich or Rick Pitino came aboard.

Hell, that's why the ACC turned to the Cardinals in the first place. The ACC needed a program it knew it could count on to be successful on the field/court and Louisville was as safe a bet as you could make at the time because the Cardinals have proven again and again over the years that they are going to do whatever they need to do to be successful. They were certainly a safer bet than Syracuse and Pitt – which have been FAR less successful on the field/court. How satisfied do you think Florida State, for example, has been with those two additions despite their "integrity?"

Obviously Louisville is a win-at-all-costs institution. Who didn't know that? Obviously they regularly have severe ethical lapses. Again, that's nothing new. But guess what, the ACC has become a win-at-all-costs conference.

My point is not to skewer Louisville or to acquit them. It is just to acknowledge the obvious truth that nobody there cares about being seen as ethical, so why are we pretending to hold them to some sort of phony standard that they don't even hold themselves to?

I mean they rehired Bobby Petrino AFTER he got into a high profile motorcycle accident with his concubine. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They held onto Rick Pitino after he was paying for abortions and banging waitresses in the back of his restaurant. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to leave them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They brought Willie Williams onto their campus after he'd been arrested and convicted like 47 times. Nobody cared. He was a good player who is going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

The ACC needs to come down off it's high horse and acknowledge that it entered into this arrangement with its eyes wide open. As far as I'm concerned, Louisville has more than upheld it's end of the bargain. As far as the warts, that issue was settled on the day the ACC invited Louisville into the conference.

I just think getting upset with Louisville for cheating or behaving unethically is a bit like getting mad at my dog for barking.

However, the ACC will soon have its very own television network and part of the reason for that is the success of programs like Louisville.… and North Carolina… and Syracuse… and Miami… and Florida State… All programs that have been severely sanctioned by the NCAA but also all programs that have won big in various high profile sports. Are we going to give that money back? Of course not, so why don't we just swallow hard and accept the reality of who we are?

Wow -- some of "your" thoughts and so-called facts are so distorted it is unreal. Think what you want but many of the things you talk about are very overblown and hyped by the Louisville media which is controlled and operated by UK supporters and alumni. Can't imagine that they might present a very slanted view of happenings at UofL. They also leave out huge parts of their stories, covering only the aspects that show UofL in a negative light without full context provided which tells the true story of events.

Yes there have been some bad things that happened -- things many are upset by and embarrassed by. But every school has their occasional bad events or people making bad decisions. NOT all get the over exposure and pile on that major schools get and especially schools that have to fight for everything they have in their own state -- cause the state supports the "other" state school and not them. They are deemed unworthy in their own city, let alone state -- even though they support the entire state -- one of the poorest in the country.

Check out some other records that you fail to mention -- like the athletes on the major teams who have led the ACC in numbers the 3 years on membership -- all academic teams, top performers in classrooms, high ranking scholars etc.

They are NOT just a win at all cost school -- they are a large metropolitan school that tries to provide for the entire community -- including the poor throughout the state.
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Louisville and Texas are the only schools to have had a Wooden Award winner, Heisman Trophy winner, and Dick Howser Trophy winner.

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(06-27-2017 08:04 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  David Teel is the best reporter who covers the ACC. His pieces are always very well researched and well written.

However, I don't really see the issue here? This is what Louisville is and what it has always been. This is what the ACC signed up for when they accepted Louisville into the conference.

Look, Louisville is an SEC program competing in the ACC. That's what they are and that is what they will always be.

Do you want to hear a crazy story? I have a friend – more of a friendly acquaintance – who used to be an assistant basketball coach at UNLV under Jerry Tarkanian. He once told me that if he would get to a recruit's house or school and see either a Kentucky or Louisville coach there, he would turn around and get right back on the airplane because he knew that UNLV could not afford to pay the kids as much as Louisville and Kentucky were willing to pay. That is straight from the horse's mouth and it was long before Tom Jurich or Rick Pitino came aboard.

Hell, that's why the ACC turned to the Cardinals in the first place. The ACC needed a program it knew it could count on to be successful on the field/court and Louisville was as safe a bet as you could make at the time because the Cardinals have proven again and again over the years that they are going to do whatever they need to do to be successful. They were certainly a safer bet than Syracuse and Pitt – which have been FAR less successful on the field/court. How satisfied do you think Florida State, for example, has been with those two additions despite their "integrity?"

Obviously Louisville is a win-at-all-costs institution. Who didn't know that? Obviously they regularly have severe ethical lapses. Again, that's nothing new. But guess what, the ACC has become a win-at-all-costs conference.

My point is not to skewer Louisville or to acquit them. It is just to acknowledge the obvious truth that nobody there cares about being seen as ethical, so why are we pretending to hold them to some sort of phony standard that they don't even hold themselves to?

I mean they rehired Bobby Petrino AFTER he got into a high profile motorcycle accident with his concubine. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They held onto Rick Pitino after he was paying for abortions and banging waitresses in the back of his restaurant. Nobody cared. He was a good coach who was going to leave them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

They brought Willie Williams onto their campus after he'd been arrested and convicted like 47 times. Nobody cared. He was a good player who is going to lead them to more victories and that's all that mattered.

The ACC needs to come down off it's high horse and acknowledge that it entered into this arrangement with its eyes wide open. As far as I'm concerned, Louisville has more than upheld it's end of the bargain. As far as the warts, that issue was settled on the day the ACC invited Louisville into the conference.

I just think getting upset with Louisville for cheating or behaving unethically is a bit like getting mad at my dog for barking.

However, the ACC will soon have its very own television network and part of the reason for that is the success of programs like Louisville.… and North Carolina… and Syracuse… and Miami… and Florida State… All programs that have been severely sanctioned by the NCAA but also all programs that have won big in various high profile sports. Are we going to give that money back? Of course not, so why don't we just swallow hard and accept the reality of who we are?

To be fair, Syracuse deserved *a* penalty, but most of SU's penalty was the result of a mixture of bad luck and employing a gay coach after PSU looked the other way while Sandusky ruined the lives of innocent young men.
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With all that has been happening at the UofL it has seen its donations drop by 39%, $93.9 million to the university fund in fiscal year 2017 which ended June 30. CFO fired while on suspension after audit.

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The UofL has agreed to give back $2.5 million each year back to the Yum Center. Negotiating power to shift from the athletic department to the presidents office.

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A source close to the university told WAVE 3 News the new deal that will be voted on Thursday includes more than $2.5 million "in cash and other givebacks" from UofL to the arena each year. That source also said the new deal represents a shift in power from the athletics department to the president's office, and that Jurich may not even learn the details of the proposed arrangement until later Wednesday night.

“Shifting power” from the athletics side to the president’s office is a fairly massive move that would have large ramifications for Cardinal sports. Not just financially. If athletics does lose complete negotiating power when it comes to the arena, then it could result in odd dates for men’s basketball games, and the potential booting of women’s games to another venue.

Since the opening of the KFC Yum Center, the women’s basketball team has played all of its home games inside the arena solely because Tom Jurich demanded it — against some massive pushback -- during the original negotiation. Now, Jeff Walz’s team perennially ranks in the top five nationally in attendance, and has set itself up to become one of the sport’s consistent powers moving forward. Not all of that is a credit to their home arena, but a considerable amount is due to the overwhelming support the program has received from its athletic directory. You’d hate to see that progress take an unnecessary hit.
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