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(06-25-2017 06:10 PM)shock Wrote:  
(06-25-2017 05:37 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  Wait, what?


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(06-25-2017 05:20 PM)Underdog Wrote:  
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(06-25-2017 04:55 PM)shock Wrote:  
(06-25-2017 04:48 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Lots of knowledgeable football fans on this board who are keenly aware of their respective university's football budget. If you were charged with the task of restarting football at Wichita State and eventually turning it into a middle-of-the-pack AAC performer, how much money would you need? How big of a stadium? What's a realistic timeline? Can the process be fast-tracked?


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WSU is explicitly a non-football member of the AAC. It was a condition of joining the AAC. Presidents do not want WSU to use the AAC as a springboard for a football program because it would make WSU a very valuable SEC or Big 12 candidate in a matter of a few years.

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Many might laugh… but a rebuilding and desperate B12 without Kansas would seriously consider WSU as a replacement even with an infant football program—which would likely be on Kansas’ level by then. Shock is partially right: “Presidents do not want WSU to use the AAC as a springboard for a football program because it would make WSU a... Big 12 candidate in a matter of a few years.” However, there is no way the SEC would add WSU when it could add either Kansas or Kansas St in my opinion….


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RE: Football at WSU
I personally think the city of Wichita would like football as an option for its residents. The nearest major college football game is several hours from downtown Wichita. There's a small portion of a local property tax that goes to Wichita State based on an ancient agreement. I think it was last reported to be around $2M a year. A previous mayor suggested the city stipulate that it be used for football. Of course the idea never got off the ground but that was a decade ago. You could think of that income as comparable to having a $75M endowment that never depletes just for football.

I'm envisioning a multi-purpose, 60k seat stadium that would host football in downtown Wichita along with whatever other sports that could be played on the field. Soccer? It would be utilized for concerts and large events for 75% of the year and home to Shocker Football in the fall. The stadium could be built for $150M I believe and financed through bonds.

I'm sure WSU would have to be FCS for a few years unless there was a fast-track opportunity. If the AAC brought in BYU, I think you would need another team for balance no? Navy would be moved to the east division and we could jump into the west.

Again, the dynamic in Wichita is different than other mid-sized cities. Our university is really looked on as the focal point by the citizens. We had Double-A baseball downtown, but it couldn't draw flies as there were 8,000 at the Shocker Baseball game on campus. A WICHITA State football team could become a jewel in this town if properly funded, and competently coached. A Wichita State - Manure U (KSU) pre-season game in downtown Wichita would not be a small affair.

So don't think of this as a school starting football for a school's sake, think of it as a community team right in the middle of very fertile recruiting area with 650k people nearby - of which the majority are Shocker sympathizers.


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(06-25-2017 05:31 PM)fastbow Wrote:  
(06-25-2017 05:20 PM)Underdog Wrote:  Many might laugh… but a rebuilding and desperate B12 without Kansas would seriously consider WSU as a replacement even with an infant football program—which would likely be on Kansas’ level by then. Shock is partially right: “Presidents do not want WSU to use the AAC as a springboard for a football program because it would make WSU a... Big 12 candidate in a matter of a few years.” However, there is no way the SEC would add WSU when it could add either Kansas or Kansas St in my opinion….

Never happen. There's nowhere else for Kansas to go. Basketball alone won't earn them a Big 10 invite, and their football is Division 2 abysmal. They're not even marginally a fit for any other conference.

When the Big 12 dies, so will the University of Kansas's athletics.
very naive or willfully ignorant. See Rutgers.

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(06-25-2017 06:55 PM)panama Wrote:  
(06-25-2017 05:20 PM)Underdog Wrote:  
(06-25-2017 05:05 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(06-25-2017 04:55 PM)shock Wrote:  
(06-25-2017 04:48 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Lots of knowledgeable football fans on this board who are keenly aware of their respective university's football budget. If you were charged with the task of restarting football at Wichita State and eventually turning it into a middle-of-the-pack AAC performer, how much money would you need? How big of a stadium? What's a realistic timeline? Can the process be fast-tracked?


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WSU is explicitly a non-football member of the AAC. It was a condition of joining the AAC. Presidents do not want WSU to use the AAC as a springboard for a football program because it would make WSU a very valuable SEC or Big 12 candidate in a matter of a few years.

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Many might laugh… but a rebuilding and desperate B12 without Kansas would seriously consider WSU as a replacement even with an infant football program—which would likely be on Kansas’ level by then. Shock is partially right: “Presidents do not want WSU to use the AAC as a springboard for a football program because it would make WSU a... Big 12 candidate in a matter of a few years.” However, there is no way the SEC would add WSU when it could add either Kansas or Kansas St in my opinion….


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This ^ coming from a fan of a school that was left "grounded" in the Sun Belt while CUSA was "shooting for the stars" with two startup football programs… L03-rotflL....
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RE: Football at WSU
WSU fans have to remember...need drives expansion.

AAC needed another hoops power since we only received 2 NCAA bids last season...WSU needed the AAC because they won 30 games and got stuck with a 10 seed.

there was mutual need.

the AAC does not need another football member and WSU does not need football to be successful. There is no mutual need there.

now I get the want for a football team, but football teams are very expensive. WSU's best bet would be to spend 15 million to renovate Cessna Stadium to FCS standards and stick this hypothetical FCS football team in a geographically sensible FCS football conference like say the MVFC.

best of both worlds IMHO.
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(06-25-2017 06:57 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  I personally think the city of Wichita would like football as an option for its residents. The nearest major college football game is several hours from downtown Wichita. There's a small portion of a local property tax that goes to Wichita State based on an ancient agreement. I think it was last reported to be around $2M a year. A previous mayor suggested the city stipulate that it be used for football. Of course the idea never got off the ground but that was a decade ago. You could think of that income as comparable to having a $75M endowment that never depletes just for football.

I'm envisioning a multi-purpose, 60k seat stadium that would host football in downtown Wichita along with whatever other sports that could be played on the field. Soccer? It would be utilized for concerts and large events for 75% of the year and home to Shocker Football in the fall. The stadium could be built for $150M I believe and financed through bonds.

I'm sure WSU would have to be FCS for a few years unless there was a fast-track opportunity. If the AAC brought in BYU, I think you would need another team for balance no? Navy would be moved to the east division and we could jump into the west.

Again, the dynamic in Wichita is different than other mid-sized cities. Our university is really looked on as the focal point by the citizens. We had Double-A baseball downtown, but it couldn't draw flies as there were 8,000 at the Shocker Baseball game on campus. A WICHITA State football team could become a jewel in this town if properly funded, and competently coached. A Wichita State - Manure U (KSU) pre-season game in downtown Wichita would not be a small affair.

So don't think of this as a school starting football for a school's sake, think of it as a community team right in the middle of very fertile recruiting area with 650k people nearby - of which the majority are Shocker sympathizers.


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If we brought BYU in we would bring adding either Armt, Air Force, or Boise State to go along.
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(06-25-2017 07:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  WSU fans have to remember...need drives expansion.

AAC needed another hoops power since we only received 2 NCAA bids last season...WSU needed the AAC because they won 30 games and got stuck with a 10 seed.

there was mutual need.

the AAC does not need another football member and WSU does not need football to be successful. There is no mutual need there.

now I get the want for a football team, but football teams are very expensive. WSU's best bet would be to spend 15 million to renovate Cessna Stadium to FCS standards and stick this hypothetical FCS football team in a geographically sensible FCS football conference like say the MVFC.

best of both worlds IMHO.

The need would only arise if the AAC added another football program which I think they will in the future. A need would also arise if the AAC lost a football program... I'd rather not think about that scenario.

Just comparing the market between Tulsa and Wichita and as I said, there isn't another major football team within 2 hrs. of driving from downtown Wichita.

KSU = 130.4 mi (2 hrs 2 mins)
K|UCK = 166.6 mi (2 hrs 23 mins)
OU = 177.1 mi (2 hrs 41 mins)
OSU = 127.9 mi (1 hr 57 mins)
Tulsa = 179.2 mi (2 hrs 38 mins)

From Tulsa's perspective:

OU = 123.2 mi (1 hr 55 mins)
OSU = 69.6 mi (1 hr 7 mins) -not good
UA = 111.4 mi (1 hr 55 mins)


An interesting side note about Wichita is that there are over a million people living within 100 miles of downtown. Rural areas in Kansas lean heavily purple though.


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(06-25-2017 07:43 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(06-25-2017 07:10 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  WSU fans have to remember...need drives expansion.

AAC needed another hoops power since we only received 2 NCAA bids last season...WSU needed the AAC because they won 30 games and got stuck with a 10 seed.

there was mutual need.

the AAC does not need another football member and WSU does not need football to be successful. There is no mutual need there.

now I get the want for a football team, but football teams are very expensive. WSU's best bet would be to spend 15 million to renovate Cessna Stadium to FCS standards and stick this hypothetical FCS football team in a geographically sensible FCS football conference like say the MVFC.

best of both worlds IMHO.

The need would only arise if the AAC added another football program which I think they will in the future. A need would also arise if the AAC lost a football program... I'd rather not think about that scenario.

Just comparing the market between Tulsa and Wichita and as I said, there isn't another major football team within 2 hrs. of driving from downtown Wichita.

KSU = 130.4 mi (2 hrs 2 mins)
K|UCK = 166.6 mi (2 hrs 23 mins)
OU = 177.1 mi (2 hrs 41 mins)
OSU = 127.9 mi (1 hr 57 mins)
Tulsa = 179.2 mi (2 hrs 38 mins)

From Tulsa's perspective:

OU = 123.2 mi (1 hr 55 mins)
OSU = 69.6 mi (1 hr 7 mins) -not good
UA = 111.4 mi (1 hr 55 mins)


An interesting side note about Wichita is that there are over a million people living within 100 miles of downtown. Rural areas in Kansas lean heavily purple though.


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but WSU is coupled with Navy football in the AAC. moreover, we don't have the time to bring WSU football along.

if we needed a football team it would make more sense to bring in an all-sports member.

it's FCS or bust for WSU IMHO.
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Why wait? I say go for it, renovate Cessna football field to FBS standards then play a year or two in FCS and then start playing in the AAC
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