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RE: Football at WSU
(07-16-2017 07:42 PM)Underdog Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 01:20 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Are you certain you would feel the same way about WSU 7 years from now if something really strong develops? And again, what if the AAC continues to close the gap between itself and the Big12-2 over the next 7 years? Then, after the major players leave the then Big12-6, it will be MUCH weaker than the AAC. In fact, the moment those 4 schools leave, the AAC will be the new #5 in the Power 5. Why not let them sweat? Why go to a conference as replacements enjoying sloppy seconds, when you can maintain dignity and force them to look at either breaking up (to join us), or dilution from the CUSA/MWC by attempting to survive as a conference; either scenario seems like a win for the AAC.

So to clarify:

Scenario 1) The AAC holds firm when the Big12-2 becomes the Big12-6. The media outlets sit on their hands waiting to see which conference becomes the next P5 with the AAC temporarily gaining the label. One school in the Big12-6 gets nervous and begins talks with Aresco. Aresco leaks the conversation to the media creating chaos. The stalemate then immediately dissipates with the AAC picking up 2-4 teams and the remainder heading to the Pac12/MWC.

Scenario 2) The Big12-6 stands pat arrogantly saying FU to the AAC and fills 4 slots (the minimum damage possible) with BYU, SDSU, and 2 other schools that will do nothing but put the final nails in the coffin of the Big12-2, -4, +4G5 from a fan perspective.

In both of these scenarios the AAC wins and easily gains the 5th spot in the Power 5

Scenario 3) We'll call this the "wheat harvest" scenario as it will be bye bye for the Shockers. In this scenario the Big12-6 contacts the top AAC schools and says, "Hey, remember us? Remember when we held you guys hostage on a string and then cut it at the last minute? Well, we've been thinking... we made a mistake and we'd like you to join us now." If this were a movie you would tell THEM to **** off and the AAC would prance off into the sunset, C0|db|00ded and Bearcats#1 walking hand in hand. But this isn't the movies and everybody in major college athletics is nothing but a turncoat whore. If the B12-6 still had money to flash, they would flash it effectively killing the AAC and making the now B12-2, -6, +AAC4 slightly better than the previous AAC as it stood before the exodus. Hurrah for the 4 that left and tough titties for the 8 that remain.

The point of my exercise here is to tear away the veil from the false dilemma that is saying the top 4 AAC schools MUST go to the Big12-6 in 2025. Yes, there will be an ample war chest built up if the B12-6 stays together, but what will the revenues be in the AAC in 2025? And what kind of a massive raise would they get in 2025 after the new B12-2, -4, +4G5 unites leaving the AAC as the undisputed (or perhaps barely disputed) new P5 conference?

All of this is coming from a Shocker fan so of course it's "slightly" biased, but I think I make some good points here. Everything hinges on the development of this conference over the next 7 years to something that rivals the B12-2 creating a barely visible line of demarcation between P5 and P6. If that happens things might get interesting. If the AAC slumps after the BE funds are depleted and slides back closer to the G5... the ending of our story becomes quite clear.

That brings me to Scenario 4 where I offer to get down on my knees... ummm 05-hide

Scenario 4) In this scenario the AAC continues to struggle funding football but basketball is on fire with 4-5 invites every year, another national championship obtained by a conference member, and several Elite 8's etc. This scenario PLUS the B12-6 wanting to expand to 16 somehow gets Wichita State invited as a bball only. OR... if we happen to start FCS football at some point over the next 7 years, we join with football converting to DI or transitioning over a period of years.

Just more thoughts of mine on how to stave off the impending global event projected to hit Shocker Nation in T-minus 7 years and counting...


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None of your scenarios correlate with practical and probable realignment possibilities…. The biggest flaw in your scenarios is that you think all the current members of this conference want to remain here and that realignment revolves around basketball—football will be the sport of emphasis in any future realignment regarding this conference and the B12. The war-chest of $$$ that this conference once had is almost depleted. Therefore, each school in this conference will make an individual decision that is best for its institution when realignment happens in the future.

The B12 (believe it or not) will be the shot-callers. From reading your post (#189), you mistakenly believe that schools in the B12 will not replace those that are leaving. The primary reason in my opinion why certain schools in this conference were vetted for possible expansion was so that the B12 could decide which schools will replace those that are leaving in the future. The departing schools are obligated to give up 50% of their TV $$ to the remaining B12 leftovers—but it won’t happen that way:

About 4 years before the B12’s TV contract and GOR expires, they will likely invite four schools from this conference and pay them less money. Those four schools have to give this conference a 2 year notice. When they arrive in the B12, it will be for the final 2 years of its TV contract and GOR. They will likely get $5mil each; the B12 will use $5 mill from each school to reimburse it for paying their exit fees. This $5 mil deduction would likely occur over a 2 year period because the American exit fee is currently $10 mil per school (if I’m not mistaken). Any entrance fees would likely get deducted from their entitled $20 mil. Those four schools would make the B12 an additional $80 mill in TV $$. If we deduct $20 mil, that leaves the B12 $60 mil. My point: The departing B12 schools will likely use the new additions and the networks to pay their exit fees. Thus, they will offer the B12 leftovers $120 mil and guarantee that they will have four new members to rebuild their conference.

If you don’t think that this is how it will likely happen, please consider how schools were incrementally added to this conference: Group 1 was Memphis Houston, SMU, USF; Group 2 was ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa; Group 3 was Navy and subsequently WS.....

I should correct you on a few things:

1) I never said the B12-2, -4 would not try to replace their lost members. I said exactly the opposite. I think you need to read my manifesto again... slowly. My premise may be entirely incorrect, but you are misquoting me.

2) If I'm wrong to assume that the current membership doesn't want to be here, should I then assume they are planning on resting on their laurels for the next 7 years in hopes that something falls in their lap while their program decays? If not, and they plan on working very hard to regain their previous status, what's to say that this conference won't be much stronger in 7 years than it is today? That was my entire point.

3) Your talk about the B12-2 expanding early - expound on that. Are you saying that the current B12-2 will invite 4 members from here 4 years before 2025? In 2021? Meaning that 4 schools in here could possibly announce their departure from the AAC in 2019? I'm not following you.

4) I know football drives the bus, but you minimize basketball too much I think. Basketball matters too otherwise we wouldn't be here. I'm certain March Madness rivals BCS/playoff football viewership. It's like a fking national holiday. To me, college football bowls and NFL playoffs have always seemed to overlap but what do I know, I don't watch much of either. March Madness is a very unique time/brand/event.


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RE: Football at WSU
(07-16-2017 07:10 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 01:22 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 08:01 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  WSU doesn't have the money or fan base for FBS football. End of discussion.

Tulsa and Tulane don't have the fan bases either but they do have the money. That's the difference.

Basically WSU is like a poorer stupider version of Tulsane.

Too obvious. Send me a PM and I'll give ya some tips on how you can refine your delivery and avoid looking like a 3rd rate amateur.


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blah blah blah

Meanwhile...you don't have fbs football, and never will; and that's for a reason.

Why do you keep clicking on a thread entitled "football at WSU" if there never is or will be such a thing?

Guess you got trolled.
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RE: Football at WSU
(07-16-2017 09:49 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 07:42 PM)Underdog Wrote:  
(07-16-2017 01:20 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Are you certain you would feel the same way about WSU 7 years from now if something really strong develops? And again, what if the AAC continues to close the gap between itself and the Big12-2 over the next 7 years? Then, after the major players leave the then Big12-6, it will be MUCH weaker than the AAC. In fact, the moment those 4 schools leave, the AAC will be the new #5 in the Power 5. Why not let them sweat? Why go to a conference as replacements enjoying sloppy seconds, when you can maintain dignity and force them to look at either breaking up (to join us), or dilution from the CUSA/MWC by attempting to survive as a conference; either scenario seems like a win for the AAC.

So to clarify:

Scenario 1) The AAC holds firm when the Big12-2 becomes the Big12-6. The media outlets sit on their hands waiting to see which conference becomes the next P5 with the AAC temporarily gaining the label. One school in the Big12-6 gets nervous and begins talks with Aresco. Aresco leaks the conversation to the media creating chaos. The stalemate then immediately dissipates with the AAC picking up 2-4 teams and the remainder heading to the Pac12/MWC.

Scenario 2) The Big12-6 stands pat arrogantly saying FU to the AAC and fills 4 slots (the minimum damage possible) with BYU, SDSU, and 2 other schools that will do nothing but put the final nails in the coffin of the Big12-2, -4, +4G5 from a fan perspective.

In both of these scenarios the AAC wins and easily gains the 5th spot in the Power 5

Scenario 3) We'll call this the "wheat harvest" scenario as it will be bye bye for the Shockers. In this scenario the Big12-6 contacts the top AAC schools and says, "Hey, remember us? Remember when we held you guys hostage on a string and then cut it at the last minute? Well, we've been thinking... we made a mistake and we'd like you to join us now." If this were a movie you would tell THEM to **** off and the AAC would prance off into the sunset, C0|db|00ded and Bearcats#1 walking hand in hand. But this isn't the movies and everybody in major college athletics is nothing but a turncoat whore. If the B12-6 still had money to flash, they would flash it effectively killing the AAC and making the now B12-2, -6, +AAC4 slightly better than the previous AAC as it stood before the exodus. Hurrah for the 4 that left and tough titties for the 8 that remain.

The point of my exercise here is to tear away the veil from the false dilemma that is saying the top 4 AAC schools MUST go to the Big12-6 in 2025. Yes, there will be an ample war chest built up if the B12-6 stays together, but what will the revenues be in the AAC in 2025? And what kind of a massive raise would they get in 2025 after the new B12-2, -4, +4G5 unites leaving the AAC as the undisputed (or perhaps barely disputed) new P5 conference?

All of this is coming from a Shocker fan so of course it's "slightly" biased, but I think I make some good points here. Everything hinges on the development of this conference over the next 7 years to something that rivals the B12-2 creating a barely visible line of demarcation between P5 and P6. If that happens things might get interesting. If the AAC slumps after the BE funds are depleted and slides back closer to the G5... the ending of our story becomes quite clear.

That brings me to Scenario 4 where I offer to get down on my knees... ummm 05-hide

Scenario 4) In this scenario the AAC continues to struggle funding football but basketball is on fire with 4-5 invites every year, another national championship obtained by a conference member, and several Elite 8's etc. This scenario PLUS the B12-6 wanting to expand to 16 somehow gets Wichita State invited as a bball only. OR... if we happen to start FCS football at some point over the next 7 years, we join with football converting to DI or transitioning over a period of years.

Just more thoughts of mine on how to stave off the impending global event projected to hit Shocker Nation in T-minus 7 years and counting...


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None of your scenarios correlate with practical and probable realignment possibilities…. The biggest flaw in your scenarios is that you think all the current members of this conference want to remain here and that realignment revolves around basketball—football will be the sport of emphasis in any future realignment regarding this conference and the B12. The war-chest of $$$ that this conference once had is almost depleted. Therefore, each school in this conference will make an individual decision that is best for its institution when realignment happens in the future.

The B12 (believe it or not) will be the shot-callers. From reading your post (#189), you mistakenly believe that schools in the B12 will not replace those that are leaving. The primary reason in my opinion why certain schools in this conference were vetted for possible expansion was so that the B12 could decide which schools will replace those that are leaving in the future. The departing schools are obligated to give up 50% of their TV $$ to the remaining B12 leftovers—but it won’t happen that way:

About 4 years before the B12’s TV contract and GOR expires, they will likely invite four schools from this conference and pay them less money. Those four schools have to give this conference a 2 year notice. When they arrive in the B12, it will be for the final 2 years of its TV contract and GOR. They will likely get $5mil each; the B12 will use $5 mill from each school to reimburse it for paying their exit fees. This $5 mil deduction would likely occur over a 2 year period because the American exit fee is currently $10 mil per school (if I’m not mistaken). Any entrance fees would likely get deducted from their entitled $20 mil. Those four schools would make the B12 an additional $80 mill in TV $$. If we deduct $20 mil, that leaves the B12 $60 mil. My point: The departing B12 schools will likely use the new additions and the networks to pay their exit fees. Thus, they will offer the B12 leftovers $120 mil and guarantee that they will have four new members to rebuild their conference.

If you don’t think that this is how it will likely happen, please consider how schools were incrementally added to this conference: Group 1 was Memphis Houston, SMU, USF; Group 2 was ECU, Tulane, and Tulsa; Group 3 was Navy and subsequently WS.....

Definitely not arguing. I have far less background than you on this topic. I'm merely throwing out ideas and seeing what sticks. While I may be at a disadvantage regarding all the facts, I do know enough to be dangerous. Couple that with my limitless creativity and I was hoping I would stumble onto something interesting to discuss. The most likely outcome when someone approaches a problem like this is that they end up at a dead end which is where I appear to be... yet again.

We're ******.


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I’m also not arguing… just being honest. If you misunderstood my post as arguing or trying to prove you wrong, then I apologize. I previously posted (in #178) to you that “I’m not trying to change your opinion about this conference, believe what you want: Anything is possible regarding future realignment, but is it probable.“ Therefore, you will not get any answer from me that I think isn’t probable regarding this topic. Maybe I’m being too direct and persistent in my opinions of WS’ probable and precarious future predicament in this conference—which could come across as arguing. Consequently, I’ll conclude corresponding in this thread and let others give you their opinions….
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(07-09-2017 05:43 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  There won't be football at WSU because they don't have the nads for it.

Uncalled for.
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(07-18-2017 05:31 PM)TG4 Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 05:43 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  There won't be football at WSU because they don't have the nads for it.

Uncalled for.

Maybe with the new aac money they can add futbol but it will take a few years.
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(07-18-2017 06:07 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  
(07-18-2017 05:31 PM)TG4 Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 05:43 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  There won't be football at WSU because they don't have the nads for it.

Uncalled for.

Maybe with the new aac money they can add futbol but it will take a few years.

The expected revenue from their new demolition derby and bowling teams could speed up that process, though.
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(07-18-2017 06:11 PM)geef Wrote:  
(07-18-2017 06:07 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  
(07-18-2017 05:31 PM)TG4 Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 05:43 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  There won't be football at WSU because they don't have the nads for it.

Uncalled for.

Maybe with the new aac money they can add futbol but it will take a few years.

The expected revenue from their new demolition derby and bowling teams could speed up that process, though.

Now why'd you have to go and **** with bowling?

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=bowling&p=/pr...shipteams/

Quote:As the most accomplished collegiate bowling program in the nation, the Wichita State Shocker Bowling Program has 20 National Championship victories to its name; 11 men's titles and 9 women's titles.

We're a ****** dynasty.


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(07-18-2017 06:32 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  
(07-18-2017 06:11 PM)geef Wrote:  
(07-18-2017 06:07 PM)TheBigEastSucks Wrote:  
(07-18-2017 05:31 PM)TG4 Wrote:  
(07-09-2017 05:43 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  There won't be football at WSU because they don't have the nads for it.

Uncalled for.

Maybe with the new aac money they can add futbol but it will take a few years.

The expected revenue from their new demolition derby and bowling teams could speed up that process, though.

Now why'd you have to go and **** with bowling?

http://webs.wichita.edu/?u=bowling&p=/pr...shipteams/

Quote:As the most accomplished collegiate bowling program in the nation, the Wichita State Shocker Bowling Program has 20 National Championship victories to its name; 11 men's titles and 9 women's titles.

We're a ****** dynasty.

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Well how about that??!! I knew I should have gone with rodeo team, but that could have attracted Texas Tech undesirables to the board......
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AAC Football

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WSU Football:

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(07-18-2017 09:19 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  AAC Football

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He could go all the way....
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