When does the SEC television contracts run out?

Hypothetically, if the B1G had to take Oklahoma State in order to definitely get Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas, would they do it or say no thanks?

Nobody is talking about Colorado. Would they move to the Big 10 knowing that the PAC 12 is hurting for tv money right now?

(06-25-2017 04:49 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  When does the SEC television contracts run out?

The CBS contract for T1 is up after the 2023-4 season. So they will be shopping that one in 2021-22.

The SECN contract is up in 2034. But it can be renegotiated with additions.

Since the ACCN debuts in 2019 and ESPN will be looking to enhance its markets and gain complete carriage for it and I expect to see additions to the ACC about that same time.

And since the AAC contract is up for renewal in 2019-20 they could get a nice bump should they land some of the fallout from the Big 12. But right now I look for something to happen in 2019-20 and I think it will be comprehensive in scope.

ESPN will not only want to launch the ACCN in style, but would likely want to renegotiate and extend some contracts prior to Amazon going after expiring contracts in 2023-4. In that regard I would think FOX would want to do the same.

It's also why I think we have gotten all of the realignment noise 4 years earlier than normal. It's appropriate that the buzz is there if the target date is 2 years away. And remember that the exit clause for the Big 12 requires a 2 year advanced notice to avoid exit fees. So the timing is about right. I think when it happens the GOR will be waived. Those leaving will be in favor and those remaining probably will not want to push it if the networks agree to pay them their full current contract. They will at the end need scheduling and good will with the departed.

(06-25-2017 05:44 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Nobody is talking about Colorado. Would they move to the Big 10 knowing that the PAC 12 is hurting for tv money right now?

(06-25-2017 05:34 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Hypothetically, if the B1G had to take Oklahoma State in order to definitely get Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas, would they do it or say no thanks?

So, take two non-AAU schools who may never see membership?

One's kind of a tough pill already. When the Big XII was coming together, and there was talk the thing wouldn't take off, I don't recall OU even getting a sniff in the chatter about the Big Ten aiming for Nebraska and other Big 8 schools. Colorado, Kansas, and Missouri could be "stomached."

Who knows, and maybe these guys aren't the snobs of 25 years ago, but, the Big Ten didn't abandon academics. The AAU meetings are like bonus Big Ten meetings; UNL and UMD can attest to that.

(06-25-2017 05:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 04:49 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  When does the SEC television contracts run out?

The CBS contract for T1 is up after the 2023-4 season. So they will be shopping that one in 2021-22.

The SECN contract is up in 2034. But it can be renegotiated with additions.

Since the ACCN debuts in 2019 and ESPN will be looking to enhance its markets and gain complete carriage for it and I expect to see additions to the ACC about that same time.

And since the AAC contract is up for renewal in 2019-20 they could get a nice bump should they land some of the fallout from the Big 12. But right now I look for something to happen in 2019-20 and I think it will be comprehensive in scope.

ESPN will not only want to launch the ACCN in style, but would likely want to renegotiate and extend some contracts prior to Amazon going after expiring contracts in 2023-4. In that regard I would think FOX would want to do the same.

It's also why I think we have gotten all of the realignment noise 4 years earlier than normal. It's appropriate that the buzz is there if the target date is 2 years away. And remember that the exit clause for the Big 12 requires a 2 year advanced notice to avoid exit fees. So the timing is about right. I think when it happens the GOR will be waived. Those leaving will be in favor and those remaining probably will not want to push it if the networks agree to pay them their full current contract. They will at the end need scheduling and good will with the departed.

The problem is that ACC officials say things are on track for the ACC Network, but behind the scenes, they are afraid that ESPN would pull the plug. When more and more people start dropping cable before the launch of the ACC Network? ESPN will not have any money to even launch the Network. Some experts are now saying the ACC Network is DOA before it could be launched because ESPN needs to cut costs, and the ACC Network will add more costs.

(06-25-2017 06:23 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 05:34 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Hypothetically, if the B1G had to take Oklahoma State in order to definitely get Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas, would they do it or say no thanks?

So, take two non-AAU schools who may never see membership?

One's kind of a tough pill already. When the Big XII was coming together, and there was talk the thing wouldn't take off, I don't recall OU even getting a sniff in the chatter about the Big Ten aiming for Nebraska and other Big 8 schools. Colorado, Kansas, and Missouri could be "stomached."

Who knows, and maybe these guys aren't the snobs of 25 years ago, but, the Big Ten didn't abandon academics. The AAU meetings are like bonus Big Ten meetings; UNL and UMD can attest to that.

The only reason OSU gets mentioned at all is because as an R2 school there is no way they see the Big 10. The theory therefore is that if ESPN really really wants Oklahoma, and Oklahoma gets a Big 10 invitation that ESPN through the SEC could claim the Sooners by paying the way for the Cowboys as well.

There is no concrete evidence that Oklahoma is on the Big 10's radar. And if not and the B1G never issues them an invitation neither the SEC nor ESPN will feel compelled to offer O.S.U. either. Virginia Tech on the other hand may be closer to the AAU than OU and it is in a key state to the Big 10's Eastern Plan.

(06-25-2017 06:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 06:23 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 05:34 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Hypothetically, if the B1G had to take Oklahoma State in order to definitely get Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas, would they do it or say no thanks?

So, take two non-AAU schools who may never see membership?

One's kind of a tough pill already. When the Big XII was coming together, and there was talk the thing wouldn't take off, I don't recall OU even getting a sniff in the chatter about the Big Ten aiming for Nebraska and other Big 8 schools. Colorado, Kansas, and Missouri could be "stomached."

Who knows, and maybe these guys aren't the snobs of 25 years ago, but, the Big Ten didn't abandon academics. The AAU meetings are like bonus Big Ten meetings; UNL and UMD can attest to that.

The only reason OSU gets mentioned at all is because as an R2 school there is no way they see the Big 10. The theory therefore is that if ESPN really really wants Oklahoma, and Oklahoma gets a Big 10 invitation that ESPN through the SEC could claim the Sooners by paying the way for the Cowboys as well.

There is no concrete evidence that Oklahoma is on the Big 10's radar. And if not and the B1G never issues them an invitation neither the SEC nor ESPN will feel compelled to offer O.S.U. either. Virginia Tech on the other hand may be closer to the AAU than OU and it is in a key state to the Big 10's Eastern Plan.

Big 10 seems to be targeting Virginia since they are AAU.

(06-25-2017 06:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 05:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 04:49 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  When does the SEC television contracts run out?

The CBS contract for T1 is up after the 2023-4 season. So they will be shopping that one in 2021-22.

The SECN contract is up in 2034. But it can be renegotiated with additions.

Since the ACCN debuts in 2019 and ESPN will be looking to enhance its markets and gain complete carriage for it and I expect to see additions to the ACC about that same time.

And since the AAC contract is up for renewal in 2019-20 they could get a nice bump should they land some of the fallout from the Big 12. But right now I look for something to happen in 2019-20 and I think it will be comprehensive in scope.

ESPN will not only want to launch the ACCN in style, but would likely want to renegotiate and extend some contracts prior to Amazon going after expiring contracts in 2023-4. In that regard I would think FOX would want to do the same.

It's also why I think we have gotten all of the realignment noise 4 years earlier than normal. It's appropriate that the buzz is there if the target date is 2 years away. And remember that the exit clause for the Big 12 requires a 2 year advanced notice to avoid exit fees. So the timing is about right. I think when it happens the GOR will be waived. Those leaving will be in favor and those remaining probably will not want to push it if the networks agree to pay them their full current contract. They will at the end need scheduling and good will with the departed.

The problem is that ACC officials say things are on track for the ACC Network, but behind the scenes, they are afraid that ESPN would pull the plug. When more and more people start dropping cable before the launch of the ACC Network? ESPN will not have any money to even launch the Network. Some experts are now saying the ACC Network is DOA before it could be launched because ESPN needs to cut costs, and the ACC Network will add more costs.

And the Syracuse AD (Wildhack) sez it is fine and on track. I believe him more. Google him...the guy kinda knows a thing or two about the cable business

(06-25-2017 06:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 05:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 04:49 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  When does the SEC television contracts run out?

The CBS contract for T1 is up after the 2023-4 season. So they will be shopping that one in 2021-22.

The SECN contract is up in 2034. But it can be renegotiated with additions.

Since the ACCN debuts in 2019 and ESPN will be looking to enhance its markets and gain complete carriage for it and I expect to see additions to the ACC about that same time.

And since the AAC contract is up for renewal in 2019-20 they could get a nice bump should they land some of the fallout from the Big 12. But right now I look for something to happen in 2019-20 and I think it will be comprehensive in scope.

ESPN will not only want to launch the ACCN in style, but would likely want to renegotiate and extend some contracts prior to Amazon going after expiring contracts in 2023-4. In that regard I would think FOX would want to do the same.

It's also why I think we have gotten all of the realignment noise 4 years earlier than normal. It's appropriate that the buzz is there if the target date is 2 years away. And remember that the exit clause for the Big 12 requires a 2 year advanced notice to avoid exit fees. So the timing is about right. I think when it happens the GOR will be waived. Those leaving will be in favor and those remaining probably will not want to push it if the networks agree to pay them their full current contract. They will at the end need scheduling and good will with the departed.

The problem is that ACC officials say things are on track for the ACC Network, but behind the scenes, they are afraid that ESPN would pull the plug. When more and more people start dropping cable before the launch of the ACC Network? ESPN will not have any money to even launch the Network. Some experts are now saying the ACC Network is DOA before it could be launched because ESPN needs to cut costs, and the ACC Network will add more costs.

Nobody is spending 5-7 million(10 million at UNC) on network & infrastructure upgrades just because they feel like it. As long as people have broadband or cell phones/tablets there will be a market for sports programming IMO. Plus every skinny bundle internet cable plan I have seen includes ESPN & related channels

(06-25-2017 06:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 05:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 04:49 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  When does the SEC television contracts run out?

The CBS contract for T1 is up after the 2023-4 season. So they will be shopping that one in 2021-22.

The SECN contract is up in 2034. But it can be renegotiated with additions.

Since the ACCN debuts in 2019 and ESPN will be looking to enhance its markets and gain complete carriage for it and I expect to see additions to the ACC about that same time.

And since the AAC contract is up for renewal in 2019-20 they could get a nice bump should they land some of the fallout from the Big 12. But right now I look for something to happen in 2019-20 and I think it will be comprehensive in scope.

ESPN will not only want to launch the ACCN in style, but would likely want to renegotiate and extend some contracts prior to Amazon going after expiring contracts in 2023-4. In that regard I would think FOX would want to do the same.

It's also why I think we have gotten all of the realignment noise 4 years earlier than normal. It's appropriate that the buzz is there if the target date is 2 years away. And remember that the exit clause for the Big 12 requires a 2 year advanced notice to avoid exit fees. So the timing is about right. I think when it happens the GOR will be waived. Those leaving will be in favor and those remaining probably will not want to push it if the networks agree to pay them their full current contract. They will at the end need scheduling and good will with the departed.

The problem is that ACC officials say things are on track for the ACC Network, but behind the scenes, they are afraid that ESPN would pull the plug. When more and more people start dropping cable before the launch of the ACC Network? ESPN will not have any money to even launch the Network. Some experts are now saying the ACC Network is DOA before it could be launched because ESPN needs to cut costs, and the ACC Network will add more costs.

Dude, The ACCN is going to happen. No amount of you wishing and hoping for its failure to launch, is going to change that outcome.

(06-25-2017 01:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 11:52 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 10:25 AM)Sellular1 Wrote:  Surprised somebody hasn't mentioned Boise St as an ideal candidate for B1G expansion....

I'm told the teams the Big Ten should get are Old Dominion (VA) and U of Charlotte (NC ).

I don't know? UCF had a piece out the other day on the 3 reasons the Big 10 should take the Knights. Seriously.


But seriously, presidents call presidents they know in other conferences when they want to test the waters. They don't call former A.D.'s and head coaches. Boosters might have spoken with Tom, or perhaps another old head coach, but that's about it. The whole process has become so legal minded of necessity that schools do not leave contact matters to anyone other than president's and school attorneys and neither would contact Osborne.

They might if they wanted to keep the contacts out of the reach of FOIA requests. No idea why the ACC is never considered as a possible landing place for Texas and friends. To me--that makes more sense than the Pac12 or even Big10. UT has little interest in playing in the snow or having 9:30PM kickoffs.

(06-25-2017 07:51 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 01:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 11:52 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 10:25 AM)Sellular1 Wrote:  Surprised somebody hasn't mentioned Boise St as an ideal candidate for B1G expansion....

I'm told the teams the Big Ten should get are Old Dominion (VA) and U of Charlotte (NC ).

I don't know? UCF had a piece out the other day on the 3 reasons the Big 10 should take the Knights. Seriously.


But seriously, presidents call presidents they know in other conferences when they want to test the waters. They don't call former A.D.'s and head coaches. Boosters might have spoken with Tom, or perhaps another old head coach, but that's about it. The whole process has become so legal minded of necessity that schools do not leave contact matters to anyone other than president's and school attorneys and neither would contact Osborne.

They might if they wanted to keep the contacts out of the reach of FOIA requests. No idea why the ACC is never considered as a possible landing place for Texas and friends. To me--that makes more sense than the Pac12 or even Big10. UT has little interest in playing in the snow or having 9:30PM kickoffs.

They do discuss Texas to the ACC in the ACC forum and it is discussed in the SEC forum some too. On this forum??? It's hard to find it among the myriad of posts pertaining to every bit of minutia under the sun, or among the long running post debates between a half dozen posters that also seem to permeate every halfway popular thread. It is a viable possibility for a number of reasons.

(06-25-2017 06:46 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 06:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 05:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 04:49 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  When does the SEC television contracts run out?

The CBS contract for T1 is up after the 2023-4 season. So they will be shopping that one in 2021-22.

The SECN contract is up in 2034. But it can be renegotiated with additions.

Since the ACCN debuts in 2019 and ESPN will be looking to enhance its markets and gain complete carriage for it and I expect to see additions to the ACC about that same time.

And since the AAC contract is up for renewal in 2019-20 they could get a nice bump should they land some of the fallout from the Big 12. But right now I look for something to happen in 2019-20 and I think it will be comprehensive in scope.

ESPN will not only want to launch the ACCN in style, but would likely want to renegotiate and extend some contracts prior to Amazon going after expiring contracts in 2023-4. In that regard I would think FOX would want to do the same.

It's also why I think we have gotten all of the realignment noise 4 years earlier than normal. It's appropriate that the buzz is there if the target date is 2 years away. And remember that the exit clause for the Big 12 requires a 2 year advanced notice to avoid exit fees. So the timing is about right. I think when it happens the GOR will be waived. Those leaving will be in favor and those remaining probably will not want to push it if the networks agree to pay them their full current contract. They will at the end need scheduling and good will with the departed.

The problem is that ACC officials say things are on track for the ACC Network, but behind the scenes, they are afraid that ESPN would pull the plug. When more and more people start dropping cable before the launch of the ACC Network? ESPN will not have any money to even launch the Network. Some experts are now saying the ACC Network is DOA before it could be launched because ESPN needs to cut costs, and the ACC Network will add more costs.

And the Syracuse AD (Wildhack) sez it is fine and on track. I believe him more. Google him...the guy kinda knows a thing or two about the cable business

That would require a truly intellectual and inquisitive mind. We really don't have that here Mark

(06-25-2017 07:24 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 06:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 05:59 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 04:49 PM)SMUfan Wrote:  When does the SEC television contracts run out?

The CBS contract for T1 is up after the 2023-4 season. So they will be shopping that one in 2021-22.

The SECN contract is up in 2034. But it can be renegotiated with additions.

Since the ACCN debuts in 2019 and ESPN will be looking to enhance its markets and gain complete carriage for it and I expect to see additions to the ACC about that same time.

And since the AAC contract is up for renewal in 2019-20 they could get a nice bump should they land some of the fallout from the Big 12. But right now I look for something to happen in 2019-20 and I think it will be comprehensive in scope.

ESPN will not only want to launch the ACCN in style, but would likely want to renegotiate and extend some contracts prior to Amazon going after expiring contracts in 2023-4. In that regard I would think FOX would want to do the same.

It's also why I think we have gotten all of the realignment noise 4 years earlier than normal. It's appropriate that the buzz is there if the target date is 2 years away. And remember that the exit clause for the Big 12 requires a 2 year advanced notice to avoid exit fees. So the timing is about right. I think when it happens the GOR will be waived. Those leaving will be in favor and those remaining probably will not want to push it if the networks agree to pay them their full current contract. They will at the end need scheduling and good will with the departed.

The problem is that ACC officials say things are on track for the ACC Network, but behind the scenes, they are afraid that ESPN would pull the plug. When more and more people start dropping cable before the launch of the ACC Network? ESPN will not have any money to even launch the Network. Some experts are now saying the ACC Network is DOA before it could be launched because ESPN needs to cut costs, and the ACC Network will add more costs.

Dude, The ACCN is going to happen. No amount of you wishing and hoping for its failure to launch, is going to change that outcome.

I think DavidSt lives in his own world, and he's happy.

(06-25-2017 08:19 AM)goofus Wrote:  who says what Bob Osborne heard is not important. in other news...

Super Dave Osborne predicts that Grand Canyon will leap into the realignment discussion.

ozzy Osborne predicts the Big12 will get its head bit off, and then Big 12 will start its own disfunctional reality show.

(06-25-2017 06:32 PM)JRsec Wrote:  There is no concrete evidence that Oklahoma is on the Big 10's radar. And if not and the B1G never issues them an invitation neither the SEC nor ESPN will feel compelled to offer O.S.U. either. Virginia Tech on the other hand may be closer to the AAU than OU and it is in a key state to the Big 10's Eastern Plan.

You don't think much of that Big Ten study where OU was one of the named? I don't know what to make of the conference; gagging a public school's BoT and the games they play with control...who knows.

I tend to agree, though. I think Nebraska might be the only ones really wanting the Sooners.

Nebraska can have the Sooners ... in the PAC!

Send Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St to the PAC, along with Texas and Texas Tech.

(06-25-2017 09:30 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Nebraska can have the Sooners ... in the PAC!

Send Nebraska, Kansas, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St to the PAC, along with Texas and Texas Tech.

Well the state of California currently has Texas and Kansas on their politically incorrect list and therefore will not pay for state representatives (like sports teams) to travel to those states so....