Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
Dream Football Postseason
Author Message
Kittonhead Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 10,000
Joined: Jun 2013
Reputation: 122
I Root For: Beat Matisse
Location:
Post: #1
Exclamation Dream Football Postseason
Different opinions out there on what is the best post season setup but since I'm thinking about it tonight here is mine.

8 team playoff/New Year's 8:
Orange Bowl
Outback Bowl-AAC contract conference
Peach Bowl
Sugar Bowl
Cotton Bowl
Las Vegas Bowl
Rose Bowl

-Quarterfinals over New Years w/ Semis and Finals played into January to add TV value.

-G4 with an access spot and can land in any game outside of the playoff rotation.

Bowl Series for G4 non-CFP champions vs. P5 Top 25:
Holiday Bowl
Sun Bowl
Liberty Bowl

-Play the games Dec 28th through Dec 30th. Have a nice payout to the games and a nice parade. These bowls have been fading and this is a way to make them significant again.

-New rule for bowl eligibility at 7-5. That would eliminate some of the straggler bowl games that exist out there.

07-coffee3
06-24-2017 09:22 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


indianasniff Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,816
Joined: Dec 2012
Reputation: 26
I Root For: Toledo
Location:
Post: #2
RE: Dream Football Postseason
12 team playoff. Every conference champ and two at large

And stop the P 6 nonsense
06-24-2017 09:41 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Jjoey52 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,035
Joined: Feb 2017
Reputation: 236
I Root For: ISU
Location:
Post: #3
Dream Football Postseason
(06-24-2017 09:22 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Different opinions out there on what is the best post season setup but since I'm thinking about it tonight here is mine.

8 team playoff/New Year's 8:
Orange Bowl
Outback Bowl-AAC contract conference
Peach Bowl
Sugar Bowl
Cotton Bowl
Las Vegas Bowl
Rose Bowl

-Quarterfinals over New Years w/ Semis and Finals played into January to add TV value.

-G4 with an access spot and can land in any game outside of the playoff rotation.

Bowl Series for G4 non-CFP champions vs. P5 Top 25:
Holiday Bowl
Sun Bowl
Liberty Bowl

-Play the games Dec 28th through Dec 30th. Have a nice payout to the games and a nice parade. These bowls have been fading and this is a way to make them significant again.

-New rule for bowl eligibility at 7-5. That would eliminate some of the straggler bowl games that exist out there.

07-coffee3


This whole thing is a crock, especially the AAC nonsense as a P6, most years the MW is superior to them. Their is no 8 team playoff and it will probably not happen for many years.

AAC a power conference, what a joke.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
06-24-2017 11:07 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Kittonhead Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 10,000
Joined: Jun 2013
Reputation: 122
I Root For: Beat Matisse
Location:
Post: #4
RE: Dream Football Postseason
I don't like having the AAC in the G5 when they have a median budget of close to 60 million dollars.

To me that's a crock as a fan of a G4 with a 33 million dollar budget to have to compete with a conference with a much higher budget level for the access bowl.

What is only understood by most around here is the AAC's TV budget is in the same ballpark as the G4. That's not their whole budget though.

MWC 2.0 is nothing like the MWC of 10 years ago. San Jose State and Utah State are in it now, not the same type of conference anymore.
06-24-2017 11:15 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
HeartOfDixie Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 24,689
Joined: Oct 2013
Reputation: 945
I Root For: Alabama
Location: Huntsville AL
Post: #5
RE: Dream Football Postseason
No playoff...
06-25-2017 12:30 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
DavidSt Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 23,010
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 729
I Root For: ATU, P7
Location:
Post: #6
RE: Dream Football Postseason
(06-24-2017 11:15 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  I don't like having the AAC in the G5 when they have a median budget of close to 60 million dollars.

To me that's a crock as a fan of a G4 with a 33 million dollar budget to have to compete with a conference with a much higher budget level for the access bowl.

What is only understood by most around here is the AAC's TV budget is in the same ballpark as the G4. That's not their whole budget though.

MWC 2.0 is nothing like the MWC of 10 years ago. San Jose State and Utah State are in it now, not the same type of conference anymore.


Utah State was not bad add since they had some winning seasons in the mWC and went to bowl games. Last year was their off year with all the injuries to their starters including their QB. San Jose have been a joke, and should never been added. Montana or North Dakota State would have been better which moves Boise State to the West where they belong.
06-25-2017 05:18 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


Eldonabe Online
No More Wire Hangars!
*

Posts: 9,700
Joined: Aug 2016
Reputation: 1263
I Root For: All but Uconn
Location: Van by the River
Post: #7
RE: Dream Football Postseason
Wait here is a novel idea... have an 8 team playoff WITH THE BEST 8 TEAMS!

If that means a team from the Sun Belt gets in so be it, if 5 of the top 8 are from one conference so be it...... There are a lot of smart people out there who can come up with an algorithm to tell us who the best 8 teams are.

NOT EVERYONE GETS AN F-ING TROPHY - I don't give two schidts of you won your own FBS conference, if there are 8 teams that are better than you, you don't get to play for the big one.

Do you know why this will NEVER happen - because of the 1,000's of thread just like this and all of the sports radio and television hosts who would lose their jobs because then there would eb A LOT less to talk about. 05-nono
06-25-2017 07:47 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
BePcr07 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,899
Joined: Dec 2015
Reputation: 342
I Root For: Boise St & Zags
Location:
Post: #8
RE: Dream Football Postseason
(06-25-2017 07:47 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Wait here is a novel idea... have an 8 team playoff WITH THE BEST 8 TEAMS!

If that means a team from the Sun Belt gets in so be it, if 5 of the top 8 are from one conference so be it...... There are a lot of smart people out there who can come up with an algorithm to tell us who the best 8 teams are.

NOT EVERYONE GETS AN F-ING TROPHY - I don't give two schidts of you won your own FBS conference, if there are 8 teams that are better than you, you don't get to play for the big one.

Do you know why this will NEVER happen - because of the 1,000's of thread just like this and all of the sports radio and television hosts who would lose their jobs because then there would eb A LOT less to talk about. 05-nono

I agree with the premise that it should be the best 4 or 8 or 16 or whatever the playoff number is. But perception is reality. A Sun Belt school might be a top-4 team but if it is perceived that they aren't then they won't get the opportunity.

Its comparing apples to oranges often because a school is weighed against their schedule so Vanderbilt will get more "street cred" than Middle Tennessee St. There is no perfectly objective way to compare every school. MTSU can only play the schools on its schedule. Even if they have a perfect season, there will be a huge shadow over them.

Schools can't "earn" a spot into a power conference nor can they simply choose to join one. If that were the case, Boise St would've been in the PAC by merit or self-decision years ago.

While I would agree the best should be in and not everyone gets a trophy, I'm hesitant to weigh (or unweigh) other factors. The NFL playoff scenarios are completely objective. Unfortunately, with 130 schools in 10 unevenly distributed conferences in both number and quality with independents thrown in, complete objectivity is impossible.

I don't think there is a perfect system but everyone should have a legitimate and achievable road in. If they go to 8, have 7 at-large spots for power conferences and 1 at-large for the non-power conferences.
06-25-2017 08:15 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
DavidSt Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 23,010
Joined: Dec 2013
Reputation: 729
I Root For: ATU, P7
Location:
Post: #9
RE: Dream Football Postseason
Would be funny the last undefeated teams in FBS are:

Boise State 13-0
Western Michigan 13-0
Houston 13-0

And everybody else had 1 or more loses which means no undefeated P5 schools. Chaos will surely be in the works.
06-25-2017 08:15 AM
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Eldonabe Online
No More Wire Hangars!
*

Posts: 9,700
Joined: Aug 2016
Reputation: 1263
I Root For: All but Uconn
Location: Van by the River
Post: #10
RE: Dream Football Postseason
(06-25-2017 08:15 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  Would be funny the last undefeated teams in FBS are:

Boise State 13-0
Western Michigan 13-0
Houston 13-0

And everybody else had 1 or more loses which means no undefeated P5 schools. Chaos will surely be in the works.

Especially when Houston might be the only one getting into the playoff of 4.
06-25-2017 09:00 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Lenvillecards Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 6,458
Joined: Nov 2013
Reputation: 376
I Root For: Louisville
Location:
Post: #11
Dream Football Postseason
72 or 80 team P4. Conference championship consisting of SF's. 4 champs to the CFP. No committees. No rankings. No computers. No perceptions. Your spot is earned on the field.
(This post was last modified: 06-25-2017 09:04 AM by Lenvillecards.)
06-25-2017 09:03 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


BePcr07 Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,899
Joined: Dec 2015
Reputation: 342
I Root For: Boise St & Zags
Location:
Post: #12
RE: Dream Football Postseason
(06-25-2017 09:03 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  72 or 80 team P4. Conference championship consisting of SF's. 4 champs to the CFP. No committees. No rankings. No computers. No perceptions. Your spot is earned on the field.

Yes to this. I'd say 80.
06-25-2017 09:10 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Love and Honor Offline
Skipper
*

Posts: 6,919
Joined: Nov 2012
Reputation: 237
I Root For: Miami, MACtion
Location: Chicagoland
Post: #13
RE: Dream Football Postseason
(06-24-2017 09:41 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  12 team playoff. Every conference champ and two at large

And stop the P 6 nonsense

Same, though I'd only put a two-team limit per conference like the old BCS. At-large recipients and seeding determined solely by transparent computer rankings, like Pairwise for college hockey. First round games played at home stadiums, quarters and semis held in a rotation between the Rose, Sugar, Cotton, Citrus, Peach, and Fiesta bowls, final is bid on like the Super Bowl. In that setup, this is what we'd see last season (had to guess on G5 rankings outside of Top 25):

Alabama
Temple @ WMU

Washington
App State @ Penn State


Clemson
SDSU @ USC

OSU
WKU @ Oklahoma
06-25-2017 09:46 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
hawghiggs Offline
All American
*

Posts: 3,792
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 124
I Root For: Arkansas
Location:
Post: #14
RE: Dream Football Postseason
(06-25-2017 12:30 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  No playoff...

This. The BCS system wasn't really broken. It just needed more bowls added to the system and more access.
06-25-2017 10:22 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Kittonhead Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 10,000
Joined: Jun 2013
Reputation: 122
I Root For: Beat Matisse
Location:
Post: #15
RE: Dream Football Postseason
(06-25-2017 08:15 AM)BePcr07 Wrote:  
(06-25-2017 07:47 AM)Eldonabe Wrote:  Wait here is a novel idea... have an 8 team playoff WITH THE BEST 8 TEAMS!

If that means a team from the Sun Belt gets in so be it, if 5 of the top 8 are from one conference so be it...... There are a lot of smart people out there who can come up with an algorithm to tell us who the best 8 teams are.

NOT EVERYONE GETS AN F-ING TROPHY - I don't give two schidts of you won your own FBS conference, if there are 8 teams that are better than you, you don't get to play for the big one.

Do you know why this will NEVER happen - because of the 1,000's of thread just like this and all of the sports radio and television hosts who would lose their jobs because then there would eb A LOT less to talk about. 05-nono

I agree with the premise that it should be the best 4 or 8 or 16 or whatever the playoff number is. But perception is reality. A Sun Belt school might be a top-4 team but if it is perceived that they aren't then they won't get the opportunity.

Its comparing apples to oranges often because a school is weighed against their schedule so Vanderbilt will get more "street cred" than Middle Tennessee St. There is no perfectly objective way to compare every school. MTSU can only play the schools on its schedule. Even if they have a perfect season, there will be a huge shadow over them.

Let's use MTSU as an example. Hypothetically they win CUSA every year.

On a typical year they would be in the Holiday, Sun or Liberty bowl and every couple of years a CFP game. All against Top 25 P5 competition. That should be good for recruiting against Vanderbilt, Missouri and Kentucky who aren't getting anything.

Over a 4 year span they go 2-2 in a Holiday Bowl, x2 Liberty and a Cotton Bowl. In year 5 they return all 11 offensive starters and are a preseason Top 10 team with 2 SEC schools on the schedule. They at least should have a solid chance if they go undefeated at making an 8 team playoff.

There needs to be enough access to major bowls for the G leagues so they can build their recruiting up to the point where they are legit title contenders like Boise State as able to do for a few years.

Now that the G leagues all have conference championship games which are a defacto play-in to the access bowl the G is important enough to have its champion at least receive a major non-CFP game.

Trying to create a G ladder, albeit a ladder that can quickly be taken away when a power league steals a G head coach but at least its a fair showcase.
06-25-2017 11:18 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Kittonhead Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 10,000
Joined: Jun 2013
Reputation: 122
I Root For: Beat Matisse
Location:
Post: #16
RE: Dream Football Postseason
(06-25-2017 10:22 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  
(06-25-2017 12:30 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  No playoff...

This. The BCS system wasn't really broken. It just needed more bowls added to the system and more access.

They moved to a 4 team setup to address complaints of schools left out.

A 4 team playoff with the semifinals and championship played in the New Year's window and beyond added value. Adding the DFW (Cotton) and Atlanta (Peach) TV markets added value to the package.

With conference TV deals likely at their peak the best way to add money is further expansion of the CFP. 8 teams with quarterfinals starting New Year's and beyond.

Eight teams would have cinderellas....and I'm not talking G here I am talking Colorado's and Ole Miss type schools that go 10-2 on a surprise year that would have a shot in an 8 team format. It would definitely help the smaller power schools.
06-25-2017 11:31 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Advertisement


arkstfan Away
Sorry folks
*

Posts: 25,818
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 967
I Root For: Fresh Starts
Location:
Post: #17
RE: Dream Football Postseason
If we are staying with the 4 team playoff then rate everyone 1-24
Put 1-4 in the playoff and 5-24 in 10 "major bowls". No guarantees to anyone that they get in but try to respect historic match-ups in bowls.

I'm fine with 1-8 in a playoff with no promises to anyone.

If the power leagues want auto bids, then fine let's have a 12 team playoff and rate the conference champions 1-10 and the top get seeds 1-8. The 9th and 10th champion go into the pool with the two at-large and the selection committee then seeds them 9-12.
Seeds 5, 6, 7, 8, host first round. Seeds 1, 2, 3, 4 host the second round. At-larges cannot host a playoff game.

Once you get to the final four reseed then for the neutral site games.

Round 1 campus sites second Saturday of December
Round 2 campus sites the third Saturday of December
Round 3 neutral sites New Year's Day
Round 4. week to 10 days later.
06-25-2017 11:34 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Kittonhead Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 10,000
Joined: Jun 2013
Reputation: 122
I Root For: Beat Matisse
Location:
Post: #18
RE: Dream Football Postseason
With 8 CFP bowls that would absorb the Top 16 teams fairly well.

4 more access bowls then would cover the Top 24. G Champions would have an automatic qualifier, 2 or 3 or which would not be ranked in the final Top 24. But at least the Top 20 would be solidly covered.

Holiday Bowl-Downsizing to a baseball park
Sun Bowl-51,000 seat stadium
Liberty Bowl-59,000 seat stadium
Independence Bowl-49,000 seat stadium

When you factor in #1 these game don't have the NFL amenities or capacity required to be CFP bowls and expected in power bowls and #2 the MWC, CUSA and MAC all have tradition playing in these bowl games I think they would be very logical for the access tier.

Then the P leagues can keep the Houston, Detroit, Belk, Music City, Gator type games for its 7 and 8 win teams which play in NFL stadiums. Then the x2 Citrus Bowl games they play in. That takes you to the Top 38 which is about all the more P league teams that can be expected to qualify with a 7-5 rule in place.
06-25-2017 12:01 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
msm96wolf Offline
All American
*

Posts: 4,558
Joined: Apr 2006
Reputation: 180
I Root For:
Location:
Post: #19
RE: Dream Football Postseason
I think after last season, there is no desire for a true playoff from the CFP and Power schools. By excluding B10 Champ PSU for OSU, it kept the myth that none of the spots are for any champs. Only thing Championsip is needed is for a bowl tie-in. Even it goes to 8, it will be the committee picking the 8, not who won the conference. Last year was the CFP did the best thing to avoid anti-trust and worst thing the Could happen to the G5. People need to remember the golden rule, "The one with the gold makes the rules!" Sorry to be the real word cynic.
06-25-2017 12:15 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
dbackjon Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 12,006
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 655
I Root For: NAU/Illini
Location:
Post: #20
RE: Dream Football Postseason
20 team playoff. Every conference gets an autobid (providing the conference and schools met stricter FBS critieria).

First two rounds on Campus Sites

Quarters, Semis and Championship on Neutral Sites.

No Bowl Tie-ins - Bowl can bid in advance for Neutral Site Games, or stadiums can bid separate from bowls (ie University of Phoenix Stadium could bid for a round, and still have the Fiesta Bowl, if desired, or make that part of the Fiesta Bowl.

3 Teams per conference, maximum
06-25-2017 02:14 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.