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(06-24-2017 12:54 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Hopefully with all the money he will be making after he gets a new contract, he can finally afford a haircut. 05-stirthepot

Yes!
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There's an interesting tidbit in this column that may point to part of Rendon's surge (particularly the power surge) after a so-so start to the season.

http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-nati...star-stuff
07-05-2017 01:48 PM
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He ended up 3rd in fan voting so no ASG for AR this year (unless there is a last second defection I guess).
07-07-2017 12:43 AM
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(07-07-2017 12:43 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  He ended up 3rd in fan voting so no ASG for AR this year (unless there is a last second defection I guess).

I bet he is happy with the three days off as a consolation prize.
07-07-2017 08:35 AM
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Rendon has been hot lately. Upped avg to .315 last night

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/na...story.html
07-16-2017 11:21 AM
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(07-16-2017 11:21 AM)grol Wrote:  Rendon has been hot lately. Upped avg to .315 last night

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/na...story.html

A couple of months ago Fort Bend Owl guessed at Rendon's potential to get to the All Star Game or at least have better numbers than the guys who play. Because I'm a moron, this is how that exchange went:

(05-23-2017 10:20 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote:  
(05-23-2017 09:16 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Another good game. 3x4, 2 HR and a double and 5 RBI. Kris Bryant will probably be the All Star 3B for the NL (or possibly Justin Turner of the Dodgers) but Rendon might end up having better numbers than both.

I'd like to agree with you but right now he's not really in the conversation for best 3B in the NL. He's going to need a huge June to catch either of those guys (not to mention Arenado and Lamb) by the break. By year's end? Anything can happen but to have "better numbers" he's going to have to have a stellar second half, and he's probably going to need some of those guys in front of him to struggle.

Reality: At the end of April he was 5th or 6th best offensive 3B. But he was the best NL 3B at the break, if not the best in the majors. If you're into the analytical side of the game, it's worth noting that by all measures he leads the NL in Wins Above Replacement. He's either 2nd or 4th in MLB depending on which measure of WAR you prefer.

But nobody's talking about it. It's really fun watching this guy.
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Maybe if he can keep up his torrid pace, we'll be talking about NL MVP possibilities at the end of the season. But that's a tough call - Washington's hitters all might break up the vote as it's tough to separate Harper, Zimmerman, Murphy and Rendon really. Los Angeles really doesn't have any hitters in the mix I'd say (although they have some pitchers who might be considered). Arizona and Colorado have some candidates too but it's pretty safe to say the MVP will come from one of those four teams.

He also has aways to go before he approaches Lance Berkman's best years from a Rice pro's perspective. Lance in 2006 was .315, 45/136 and had a 1.041 OPS (and 3rd in MVP voting). He also had three other years where he was top 5 in MVP voting, and at this point, I'd say that's a great goal for Rendon.

ETA - added in MVP odds courtesy of BetOnline (as of July 13)

NATIONAL LEAGUE MVP ODDS
Paul Goldschmidt (ARI) +175
Bryce Harper (WSH) +450
Joey Votto (CIN) +700
Nolan Arenado (COL) +900
Justin Turner (LAD) +900
Corey Seager (LAD) +900
Charlie Blackmon (COL) +1600
Cody Bellinger (LAD) +1600
Anthony Rendon (WSH) +2000
Ryan Zimmerman (WSH) +2500
Kris Bryant (CHC) +2500
Anthony Rizzo (CHC) +2500
Daniel Murphy (WSH) +4000
Buster Posey (SF) +10000
Zack Cozart (CIN) +10000
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(07-17-2017 06:46 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Maybe if he can keep up his torrid pace, we'll be talking about NL MVP possibilities at the end of the season. But that's a tough call - Washington's hitters all might break up the vote as it's tough to separate Harper, Zimmerman, Murphy and Rendon really. Los Angeles really doesn't have any hitters in the mix I'd say (although they have some pitchers who might be considered). Arizona and Colorado have some candidates too but it's pretty safe to say the MVP will come from one of those four teams.

He also has aways to go before he approaches Lance Berkman's best years from a Rice pro's perspective. Lance in 2006 was .315, 45/136 and had a 1.041 OPS (and 3rd in MVP voting). He also had three other years where he was top 5 in MVP voting, and at this point, I'd say that's a great goal for Rendon.

ETA - added in MVP odds courtesy of BetOnline (as of July 13)

NATIONAL LEAGUE MVP ODDS
Paul Goldschmidt (ARI) +175
Bryce Harper (WSH) +450
Joey Votto (CIN) +700
Nolan Arenado (COL) +900
Justin Turner (LAD) +900
Corey Seager (LAD) +900
Charlie Blackmon (COL) +1600
Cody Bellinger (LAD) +1600
Anthony Rendon (WSH) +2000
Ryan Zimmerman (WSH) +2500
Kris Bryant (CHC) +2500
Anthony Rizzo (CHC) +2500
Daniel Murphy (WSH) +4000
Buster Posey (SF) +10000
Zack Cozart (CIN) +10000

What do these odds mean? If I bet $1 on Rendon, and he wins, how much money do I get?
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(07-17-2017 09:12 AM)georgewebb Wrote:  
(07-17-2017 06:46 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Maybe if he can keep up his torrid pace, we'll be talking about NL MVP possibilities at the end of the season. But that's a tough call - Washington's hitters all might break up the vote as it's tough to separate Harper, Zimmerman, Murphy and Rendon really. Los Angeles really doesn't have any hitters in the mix I'd say (although they have some pitchers who might be considered). Arizona and Colorado have some candidates too but it's pretty safe to say the MVP will come from one of those four teams.

He also has aways to go before he approaches Lance Berkman's best years from a Rice pro's perspective. Lance in 2006 was .315, 45/136 and had a 1.041 OPS (and 3rd in MVP voting). He also had three other years where he was top 5 in MVP voting, and at this point, I'd say that's a great goal for Rendon.

ETA - added in MVP odds courtesy of BetOnline (as of July 13)

NATIONAL LEAGUE MVP ODDS
Paul Goldschmidt (ARI) +175
Bryce Harper (WSH) +450
Joey Votto (CIN) +700
Nolan Arenado (COL) +900
Justin Turner (LAD) +900
Corey Seager (LAD) +900
Charlie Blackmon (COL) +1600
Cody Bellinger (LAD) +1600
Anthony Rendon (WSH) +2000
Ryan Zimmerman (WSH) +2500
Kris Bryant (CHC) +2500
Anthony Rizzo (CHC) +2500
Daniel Murphy (WSH) +4000
Buster Posey (SF) +10000
Zack Cozart (CIN) +10000

What do these odds mean? If I bet $1 on Rendon, and he wins, how much money do I get?

$20 (plus you get your $1 back). The number represents profit payout for a $100 bet.
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(07-17-2017 06:46 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Maybe if he can keep up his torrid pace, we'll be talking about NL MVP possibilities at the end of the season. But that's a tough call - Washington's hitters all might break up the vote as it's tough to separate Harper, Zimmerman, Murphy and Rendon really. Los Angeles really doesn't have any hitters in the mix I'd say (although they have some pitchers who might be considered). Arizona and Colorado have some candidates too but it's pretty safe to say the MVP will come from one of those four teams.

He also has aways to go before he approaches Lance Berkman's best years from a Rice pro's perspective. Lance in 2006 was .315, 45/136 and had a 1.041 OPS (and 3rd in MVP voting). He also had three other years where he was top 5 in MVP voting, and at this point, I'd say that's a great goal for Rendon.

ETA - added in MVP odds courtesy of BetOnline (as of July 13)

NATIONAL LEAGUE MVP ODDS
Paul Goldschmidt (ARI) +175
Bryce Harper (WSH) +450
Joey Votto (CIN) +700
Nolan Arenado (COL) +900
Justin Turner (LAD) +900
Corey Seager (LAD) +900
Charlie Blackmon (COL) +1600
Cody Bellinger (LAD) +1600
Anthony Rendon (WSH) +2000
Ryan Zimmerman (WSH) +2500
Kris Bryant (CHC) +2500
Anthony Rizzo (CHC) +2500
Daniel Murphy (WSH) +4000
Buster Posey (SF) +10000
Zack Cozart (CIN) +10000

Arguing with FBO is risky for me but I'm gonna try again. Turner isn't in the conversation now because he's a couple of at bats below the minimum, but he leads the league in BA and is among the leaders in wRC+ (generally thought to be the best representation of offensive productivity). With a second half like his first, I'd expect him to receive a lot of votes.

Re Berkman, his best WAR season was 7.7 in 2008. Rendon is already at 4.8. A second half like his first will likely exceed Berkman's best. (Of course, that may not mean much in terms of MVP votes - only that his statistical value would be exceptional.)
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