If you're gonna blow it up...BLOW IT UP!


Trade #1 – Mike Conley & Chandler Parsons

The Memphis Grizzlies trade G Mike Conley and F Chandler Parsons to the Utah Jazz for Joe Johnson, Alec Burks, Dante Exum, Utah 2021 1st Rd. and OKC 2018 1st Rd. (Lottery Protected)

Why the Grizzlies would do this:
Maybe the biggest benefit of this trade is shedding Chandler Parson’s terrible contract, which would be a requirement tied to any trade involving Mike or Marc. That being said, not many teams have cap space to make that happen. Utah should be able to make this work. They’re also a competitive team, which would serve as a parting gesture of appreciation to Mike for being such a consummate professional during his long career here.

In addition, Memphis gets multiple 1st Round picks, which will likely end up being between picks 15-20, to jumpstart a rebuild. They also add 2 former lottery picks in Exum and Burks. Neither has done much in their short NBA careers, but they are both young and have tenable contract situations. To make the cap situation work, they also add Joe Johnson’s expiring contract.

Why the Jazz would do this:
The Jazz are likely losing Gordan Heyward to the Celtics this off-season. They may also lose George Hill. Losing 2 starters after making the playoffs for the first time in years is less than ideal. This trade would allow the Jazz to remain competitive in the West. They don’t lose Gobert, Favors, or Hood in this deal and upgrade at PG. They’d need to decline Boris Diaw’s $7.5M Team option (which they would do regardless) but they should have the cap space to accommodate both incoming contracts.

Trade #2 – Marc Gasol & Troy Daniels

The Memphis Grizzlies trade C Marc Gasol and G Troy Daniels to the New York Knicks for Kristaps Porzingis, Joakim Noah, and New York 2019 2nd Rd. (most likely from HOU)

Why the Grizzlies would do this:
Kristaps Porzingis.

Why the Knicks would do this:
Phil Jackson has made it known that the team is willing to part ways with its 21-year old star. Marc Gasol fits the triangle offense and the Knicks shed Joakim Noah’s awful contract (similar to what the Grizzlies were able to do with Parsons in the previous trade).

Trade #3 – Brandan Wright & James Ennis

The Memphis Grizzlies trade C Brandan Wright and F James Ennis to the Orlando Magic for G Mario Hezonja and Orlando 2019 2nd Rd.

Why the Grizzlies would do this:
Grizz get younger and add what should be a high 2nd Round pick in the process.

Why the Magic would do this:
Mario Hezonja hasn’t worked out in Orlando after being a high draft pick. They get 2 veterans that can help a young team, plus they’re both on expiring contracts.





Looking on the bright side: We have a young franchise player and a ton of cap space. Lots of contract flexibility (minus Noah). Young team, average age is 24 and that's with Vince (who I kept around to mentor the young guys). We have 13 draft picks in the next 4 years (5 in the 1st Round).


Thoughts? I tried to be realistic.

I just realized the "salary floor" is probably around $90M for next season, so the Grizz would be around $26M below the floor in my proposed situation. They certainly don't want to pay a penalty for not paying enough salary...

There are options here. Plenty of teams will be looking to dump contracts - POR and LAL come to mind. We could trade Jarrell Martin and Wayne Selden for Allen Crabbe and Festus Ezeli or Luol Deng and Tarik Black.

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I'm ok with blowing it completely up or something similar, but that team roster would be lottery for a couple years. We are horrible at drafting good players.

The current grizz big 3 won't get it done. It looks like we are adding some young 2nd rounders in place of some of our vets who would win games for us last year. Our payroll doesn't match with the results (first round playoff exit at best next year). It will stay that way until the grizz make a big change.

How about phil just trade porzingis and noah for marc straight up? That alone improves our team.

We have all of our picks back after 2018 draft right?

(06-24-2017 02:16 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  We have all of our picks back after 2018 draft right?

Nope. No 2019 first round pick.

(06-24-2017 03:52 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(06-24-2017 02:16 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  We have all of our picks back after 2018 draft right?

Nope. No 2019 first round pick.

but we do have our 2018 first rounder. we owe that 2019 pick which has some protections on it, 1-8 for 2019, 1-6 2020, unprotected 2021

Hometown, again nice work on the spreadsheet.

Hate to sound like a jerk, but none of the trades makes sense to me.

Trade 1: No one is taking on $50M of salary for the next 3 years, much less Chandler who has not proven he can stay healthy.

Trade 2: Knicks want youth and/or high future draft picks in a trade for Kristaps. Were asking for 4 future 1st rounders from one team. Jaylen Brown, this year's 3rd pick and next year's Brooklyn pick from Boston. Grizz have nothing to interest the Knicks, maybe with the exception of DD.

Trade 3: This one I'm sure Orlando would do, but thankfully the Grizz won't. Hezonga is terrible, one of the worst players in the the league. And since the Magic drafted him high, his contract is high. When the 5th pick can't find minutes on a losing, re-building team, that should tell us all we need to know.

(06-25-2017 09:08 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Hometown, again nice work on the spreadsheet.

Hate to sound like a jerk, but none of the trades makes sense to me.

Trade 1: No one is taking on $50M of salary for the next 3 years, much less Chandler who has not proven he can stay healthy.

Trade 2: Knicks want youth and/or high future draft picks in a trade for Kristaps. Were asking for 4 future 1st rounders from one team. Jaylen Brown, this year's 3rd pick and next year's Brooklyn pick from Boston. Grizz have nothing to interest the Knicks, maybe with the exception of DD.

Trade 3: This one I'm sure Orlando would do, but thankfully the Grizz won't. Hezonga is terrible, one of the worst players in the the league. And since the Magic drafted him high, his contract is high. When the 5th pick can't find minutes on a losing, re-building team, that should tell us all we need to know.

Trade 1: Utah just got good again. Prior to last season, they had made the NBA Playoffs just one time in the last 7 seasons - as an 8 seed and were swept by the Spurs. If Utah loses Heyward and Hill in free agency, which isn't unlikely, they are going to take a major step back. Adding Mike Conley, WITHOUT losing any major assets, allows them to remain competitive in the West. Conley, Hood, Parsons, Favors, Gobert is a competitive lineup...

If we are going to blow it up, we need someone to take Parson's contract. Best bet is to package him with one of our 2 valuable pieces (like LA did with Mozgov and Russell), but because of the salary, teams could be reluctant...

If Utah won't take Parson's contract, then we can keep him (helps us hit our cap floor) but I'd want either Rodney Hood or Donovan Mitchell.

Trade 2: Marc is a PERFECT fit for the triangle offense, which is what Phil Jackson is committed to (see their draft pick this year). Plus, we take Joakim Noah's contract ...which may scare off a lot of teams. The Knicks may want a bunch of premium picks and young assets (I would too - Porzingis is awesome), but teams may be weary of giving ALL that up for 1 guy.

Trade 3: This is a pure upside move. Maybe a change of scenery does him some good. He's obviously talented, but for whatever reason it hasn't worked out for him in Orlando. If he bombs here, oh well...let him walk. That's what we'd do with Wright and Ennis anyway. Might as well try to strike gold.

Nobody is taking Parson's contract unless the Grizz throw in young assets that we just don't have. Lakers dumped Mozgov contract by attaching D'Angelo to the deal. #2 pick still on his rookie contract.

#2, sorry, but to think Marc gets Porzingis is just silly, you are way, way overrating Marc's trade value. 20 teams will line up to beat that trade by a wide margin. If Marc gets traded, it's for 50 cents on the dollar. So why trade him? Until 3 years from now, his 5th and last year of his contract, Grizz would have to attach picks to move him.

Trade 3, Hezonga sucks, with a $5M contract for two more years. Orlando tried to move him at the trade deadline, no takers. Orlando has new management, would gladly move this mistake, so Grizz could have him tomorrow if we wanted him.

For Knicks to trade Zinger to the Grizz, we would have to take the Noah contract back, so 3 more years at $18M per, and give a future 1st. And that probably wouldn't get it done. Phoenix and Boston could easily beat that deal.

(06-25-2017 05:18 PM)Tigx Wrote:  For Knicks to trade Zinger to the Grizz, we would have to take the Noah contract back, so 3 more years at $18M per, and give a future 1st. And that probably wouldn't get it done. Phoenix and Boston could easily beat that deal.

We'll see what they get for Porzingis. I certainly would want more for Porzingis than Marc...but Phil Jackson has proven he doesn't always make logical decisions.

The Bulls moved Jimmy Butler for a bag of chips. We are offering an all-star, one of the best bigs in the league and PROBABLY the best, realistic big for the triangle offense.

I don't disagree that they could get more from other teams. But are those teams willing to give up a ton for Porzingis?

(06-25-2017 05:14 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Nobody is taking Parson's contract unless the Grizz throw in young assets that we just don't have.

What's more valuable, De'Angelo Russell or Mike Conley? I get the youth argument but there's no way a team that wants to win now (Jazz) don't prefer Conley - a Top 10 PG.

As far as Hezonja is concerned... we are moving Ennis and Wright. Who the heck cares...take a flier on a young guy with talent. If it doesn't work out, oh well.

Why in the world would Utah trade all of that for Conley and a dude with two bad knees on a max contract?

(06-26-2017 01:19 PM)Dynamos Wrote:  Why in the world would Utah trade all of that for Conley and a dude with two bad knees on a max contract?

All of that?

They've essentially given up on Exum. They don't need Burks and Johnson is old - not part of the future there. Maybe they hold on to one of the picks, but neither is expected to be a lottery pick.

They give up a bunch of throwaways for a Top 10 PG and the chance to remain competitive...

Taking Chandler would be nice but they don't have to. We can keep him and just ask them to throw in a young piece. Or they can take a gamble on him like we did ... IF he comes back relatively healthy, he's a starter in this league.