I can see the AAC over on Fox for BE type money, 4-5 million per school. Fox no longer has a national contract with CUSA so could use the inventory.

ESPN has no incentive to pay a lot for the AAC contract when in 5 years several of those schools will be selected for a power conference.

(06-23-2017 12:10 PM)YNot Wrote:  No surprises here. BYU's 2019 home schedule is a good one - Utah, USC, Washington, Boise St.

http://www.heraldextra.com/sports/colleg...4b886.html

Also, BYU will be a bowl free agent in 2017 and 2018. ESPN is contractually obligated to ensure that BYU gets into a bowl game, if eligible. I'm excited to see how the bowl situation plays out as a free agent. BYU could step into a spot unfilled by a P5 bowl (like Cactus, Las Vegas, Armed Forces, Heart of Dallas in recent seasons). Seems like Frisco Bowl's at large spot might be the backup.

It will be intersting to see what ESPN pays BYU for the next contract.

BYU has delivered 7.1M viewers the last two years combined for ESPN (from home game inventory only).

Compare the following 2-year numbers for American school home game inventory only:

Houston 17.6M
Temple 9.8M
Memphis 7.9M
USF 4.4M
Cincy 4.0M

This does not include Navy's home inventory which has been stuck on CBSSN.

So counting Navy, if BYU were in the American it would be 4th or 5th best in the conference in terms of delivering football TV viewers to ESPN from their home games only.

(06-25-2017 08:37 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 12:10 PM)YNot Wrote:  No surprises here. BYU's 2019 home schedule is a good one - Utah, USC, Washington, Boise St.

http://www.heraldextra.com/sports/colleg...4b886.html

Also, BYU will be a bowl free agent in 2017 and 2018. ESPN is contractually obligated to ensure that BYU gets into a bowl game, if eligible. I'm excited to see how the bowl situation plays out as a free agent. BYU could step into a spot unfilled by a P5 bowl (like Cactus, Las Vegas, Armed Forces, Heart of Dallas in recent seasons). Seems like Frisco Bowl's at large spot might be the backup.

It will be intersting to see what ESPN pays BYU for the next contract.

BYU has delivered 7.1M viewers the last two years combined for ESPN (from home game inventory only).

Compare the following 2-year numbers for American school home game inventory only:

Houston 17.6M
Temple 9.8M
Memphis 7.9M
USF 4.4M
Cincy 4.0M

This does not include Navy's home inventory which has been stuck on CBSSN.

So counting Navy, if BYU were in the American it would be 4th or 5th best in the conference in terms of delivering football TV viewers to ESPN from their home games only.

Where are your numbers coming from?

(06-25-2017 08:37 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 12:10 PM)YNot Wrote:  No surprises here. BYU's 2019 home schedule is a good one - Utah, USC, Washington, Boise St.

http://www.heraldextra.com/sports/colleg...4b886.html

Also, BYU will be a bowl free agent in 2017 and 2018. ESPN is contractually obligated to ensure that BYU gets into a bowl game, if eligible. I'm excited to see how the bowl situation plays out as a free agent. BYU could step into a spot unfilled by a P5 bowl (like Cactus, Las Vegas, Armed Forces, Heart of Dallas in recent seasons). Seems like Frisco Bowl's at large spot might be the backup.

It will be intersting to see what ESPN pays BYU for the next contract.

BYU has delivered 7.1M viewers the last two years combined for ESPN (from home game inventory only).

Compare the following 2-year numbers for American school home game inventory only:

Houston 17.6M
Temple 9.8M
Memphis 7.9M
USF 4.4M
Cincy 4.0M

This does not include Navy's home inventory which has been stuck on CBSSN.

So counting Navy, if BYU were in the American it would be 4th or 5th best in the conference in terms of delivering football TV viewers to ESPN from their home games only.

Can you provide a link to back this up please? I hope you are right, but I just don't believe Houston, Temple and Memphis get better TV numbers than BYU. There must be a catch....BYU the 5th best in the AAC??

BB777,
Remember the old saying "There are lies, damn lies and statistics!" I think some of these he numbers could be attributed more to a possible opponent than the team. For me, I would love to say NCSU playing FSU, Clemson and ND numbers it should s probably 25% NCSU. I know I turn into BYU games more often than AAC games. Only AAC game I may make an effort to watch would be ECU. Same goes for SB with App.

(06-25-2017 12:19 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 08:37 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 12:10 PM)YNot Wrote:  No surprises here. BYU's 2019 home schedule is a good one - Utah, USC, Washington, Boise St.

http://www.heraldextra.com/sports/colleg...4b886.html

Also, BYU will be a bowl free agent in 2017 and 2018. ESPN is contractually obligated to ensure that BYU gets into a bowl game, if eligible. I'm excited to see how the bowl situation plays out as a free agent. BYU could step into a spot unfilled by a P5 bowl (like Cactus, Las Vegas, Armed Forces, Heart of Dallas in recent seasons). Seems like Frisco Bowl's at large spot might be the backup.

It will be intersting to see what ESPN pays BYU for the next contract.

BYU has delivered 7.1M viewers the last two years combined for ESPN (from home game inventory only).

Compare the following 2-year numbers for American school home game inventory only:

Houston 17.6M
Temple 9.8M
Memphis 7.9M
USF 4.4M
Cincy 4.0M

This does not include Navy's home inventory which has been stuck on CBSSN.

So counting Navy, if BYU were in the American it would be 4th or 5th best in the conference in terms of delivering football TV viewers to ESPN from their home games only.

Can you provide a link to back this up please? I hope you are right, but I just don't believe Houston, Temple and Memphis get better TV numbers than BYU. There must be a catch....BYU the 5th best in the AAC??

CougarRed is pretty realiable with stats. Im sure he has simply taken the information from Sports Media Watch and used a spread sheet to add up the total viewers for each team over the last 2 years.

(06-25-2017 12:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  BB777,
Remember the old saying "There are lies, damn lies and statistics!" I think some of these he numbers could be attributed more to a possible opponent than the team. For me, I would love to say NCSU playing FSU, Clemson and ND numbers it should s probably 25% NCSU. I know I turn into BYU games more often than AAC games. Only AAC game I may make an effort to watch would be ECU. Same goes for SB with App.

BYU plays far more games vs P5 opponents than the typical AAC school. If we pull out all games on either side vs P5 opponents, Im failry sure BYU's numbers would suffer significantly as well. That said, Id be curious what the stats vs only G5 opponents would look like for BYU and AAC schools.

(06-25-2017 12:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  I'm sure he has simply taken the information from Sports Media Watch and used a spread sheet to add up the total viewers for each team over the last 2 years.

Correct.

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/college-...v-ratings/

(06-25-2017 12:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 12:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  BB777,
Remember the old saying "There are lies, damn lies and statistics!" I think some of these he numbers could be attributed more to a possible opponent than the team. For me, I would love to say NCSU playing FSU, Clemson and ND numbers it should s probably 25% NCSU. I know I turn into BYU games more often than AAC games. Only AAC game I may make an effort to watch would be ECU. Same goes for SB with App.

BYU plays far more games vs P5 opponents than the typical AAC school. If we pull out all games on either side vs P5 opponents, Im failry sure BYU's numbers would suffer significantly as well. That said, Id be curious what the stats vs only G5 opponents would look like for BYU and AAC schools.

I know BYU plays a lot of very late night games vs MWC teams, but they also get the day time games on ABC vs Nebraska and Michigan St etc that would pull the numbers up. I realize Temple had some ABC games vs Penn St and Notre Dame and of course Houston had big ABC games vs Louisville and Oklahoma and the bowl vs Florida St....but it's hard to believe that Houston could be almost triple BYU in tv numbers when BYU makes 3 times more tv money than Houston.

(06-25-2017 08:37 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 12:10 PM)YNot Wrote:  No surprises here. BYU's 2019 home schedule is a good one - Utah, USC, Washington, Boise St.

http://www.heraldextra.com/sports/colleg...4b886.html

Also, BYU will be a bowl free agent in 2017 and 2018. ESPN is contractually obligated to ensure that BYU gets into a bowl game, if eligible. I'm excited to see how the bowl situation plays out as a free agent. BYU could step into a spot unfilled by a P5 bowl (like Cactus, Las Vegas, Armed Forces, Heart of Dallas in recent seasons). Seems like Frisco Bowl's at large spot might be the backup.

It will be intersting to see what ESPN pays BYU for the next contract.

BYU has delivered 7.1M viewers the last two years combined for ESPN (from home game inventory only).

Compare the following 2-year numbers for American school home game inventory only:

Houston 17.6M
Temple 9.8M
Memphis 7.9M
USF 4.4M
Cincy 4.0M

This does not include Navy's home inventory which has been stuck on CBSSN.

So counting Navy, if BYU were in the American it would be 4th or 5th best in the conference in terms of delivering football TV viewers to ESPN from their home games only.

Are you counting Oklahoma game at NRG as a "home" game for Houston? I know that game got fantastic ratings but it was technically a neutral site game.

Otheriwse I'm not surprised. The AAC has been a pretty exciting league. And we've been pretty meh.

(06-25-2017 12:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  BB777,
Remember the old saying "There are lies, damn lies and statistics!" I think some of these he numbers could be attributed more to a possible opponent than the team. For me, I would love to say NCSU playing FSU, Clemson and ND numbers it should s probably 25% NCSU. I know I turn into BYU games more often than AAC games. Only AAC game I may make an effort to watch would be ECU. Same goes for SB with App.

It's certainly true, for example, that Temple's numbers were boosted by home games with Penn St and Notre Dame in 2015.

But BYU's numbers are boosted by home games vs P5 teams too. Mississippi State was by far their biggest TV draw last year.

BYU's TV numbers are going to be more consistent than American schools by virtue of how the contracts are structured. BYU gets 4-5 home telecasts per year guaranteed. The American works on 10-day windows. So the teams who perform well get better TV opportunities (including some ABC games which BYU does not get). UCF had great ratings in 2013 when they won the Fiesta Bowl. Not so great in 2015 when they went 0-12.

Over a 10 year stretch, playing the same home schedule as BYU and having the exact same time slots and channels as BYU, I think the several American teams who had consistent football success in that 10 year window would draw as well or better than BYU in terms of TV viewers. The teams not having football success would draw worse.

(06-25-2017 12:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 12:36 PM)msm96wolf Wrote:  BB777,
Remember the old saying "There are lies, damn lies and statistics!" I think some of these he numbers could be attributed more to a possible opponent than the team. For me, I would love to say NCSU playing FSU, Clemson and ND numbers it should s probably 25% NCSU. I know I turn into BYU games more often than AAC games. Only AAC game I may make an effort to watch would be ECU. Same goes for SB with App.

BYU plays far more games vs P5 opponents than the typical AAC school. If we pull out all games on either side vs P5 opponents, Im failry sure BYU's numbers would suffer significantly as well. That said, Id be curious what the stats vs only G5 opponents would look like for BYU and AAC schools.

I looked at BYU when compiling 2016 conference ratings. IIRC, they averaged @ 500k for G5 home games last year. However, I think there were only a couple of games from different conferences on rated channels. I remember thinking they'd place in the bottom half of AAC teams, but didn't include them since it wasn't apples to apples.

(06-25-2017 01:23 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  It's certainly true, for example, that Temple's numbers were boosted by home games with Penn St and Notre Dame in 2015.

But BYU's numbers are boosted by home games vs P5 teams too. Mississippi State was by far their biggest TV draw last year.

BYU's TV numbers are going to be more consistent than American schools by virtue of how the contracts are structured. BYU gets 4-5 home telecasts per year guaranteed. The American works on 10-day windows. So the teams who perform well get better TV opportunities (including some ABC games which BYU does not get). UCF had great ratings in 2013 when they won the Fiesta Bowl. Not so great in 2015 when they went 0-12.

Over a 10 year stretch, playing the same home schedule as BYU and having the exact same time slots and channels as BYU, I think the several American teams who had consistent football success in that 10 year window would draw as well or better than BYU in terms of TV viewers. The teams not having football success would draw worse.

These bolded statements almost feel like intentional misdirection. Since you pulled the numbers you should know that BYU only had 4 games in each of 2015 and 2016 on ESPN stations where they would draw a viewer rating and of those 8 games only 2 were against P5 competition.
To be upfront, here are the opponents and time slots/channel for BYU's previous 2 seasons of home games (all times eastern):
2016
UCLA - 10:45 PM - ESPN2 - 746k
Toledo - 11:01 PM - ESPN2 - 579k
Mississippi St - 10:16 PM - ESPN - 1.475m
Utah State - 10:25 PM - ESPNU - 320k

Southern Utah and UMass were both on BYUtv/ESPN3.

2015
Boise State - 10:15 PM - ESPN2 - 1.027m
UConn - 10:15 PM - ESPN2 - 1.240m
East Carolina - 7:30 PM - ESPNU - 273k
Cincinnati - 8:00 PM - ESPN - 1.468m

Wagner was on BYUtv and Fresno State on BYUtv/ESPN3.

= 7.128m for 8 games

Here is the apples-to-apples comparison as I can see for Houston:
2016
UConn - 7:55 PM - ESPN - 1.421k
UCF - 12:00 PM - ESPNU - 192k
Tulane - 7:20 PM - ESPN2 - 454k
Louisville - 7:55 PM - ESPN - 2.432

Not counted is Lamar which did not pull ratings and the Oklahoma game @ NRG stadium which drew a 5.713m rating.

2015
SMU - 8:00 PM - ESPN2 - 356k
Vanderbilt - 7:00 PM - ESPN2 - 392k
Cincinnati - 3:30 PM - ESPN2 - 396k
Memphis - 7:05 PM - ESPN2
Navy - 12:00 PM - ABC - 3.055

Not counted is Tenessee Tech and Texas State which did not pull ratings.

= 9.446m for 9 games

So if you add in the Oklahoma game in an NFL stadium and call it a "home" game, that bumps the number up to 15.159m. I'm not sure how you came up to 17.6m for your Houston number using numbers from that website unless you are adding in a bowl game or something.

BYU broadcasted two 2016 home games on BYUtv last year.

Toledo (579K viewers on ESPN2 - 10pm ET Friday) and Utah St. (320K viewers - ESPNU - 10pm ET) were the only BYU v. G5 home broadcasts.

Mississippi St. (1.47M on ESPN Friday) and UCLA (764K on ESPN2 - 10pm ET) were the other 2 home broadcasts.

Here are the 2015 BYU v. AAC broadcasts:

Cincy (3-2) @ BYU (4-2) = 1.46M viewers (ESPN Friday)
UConn (2-2) @ BYU (2-2) = 1.24M viewers (ESPN2 Friday)
Boise (1-0) @ BYU (1-0) = 1.02M viwers (ESPN2 - 10pm ET)

These would have been some of the top AAC conference home broadcasts, had BYU been in the AAC.

For comparison:

Navy (9-1) @ Houston (11-1) = 3.05M (ABC - Black Friday)
Cincy (2-1) @ Memphis (3-0) = 1.24M (ESPN Thursday)
Memphis (6-0) @ Tulsa (3-3) = 1.21M (ESPN Friday)
Memphis (4-0) @ USF (1-2) = 1.15M (ESPN2 Friday)
Temple (7-1) @ SMU (1-7) = 1.08M (ESPN2 - Friday)
Memphis (8-1) @ Houston (9-0) = 748K (ESPN2 - 7pmET)[went up against Oklahoma-Baylor, LSU-Arkansas, and Stanford-Oregon]
(doesn't include nice OOC ratings, like Temple-Notre Dame or Memphis-Ole Miss or Cincy-Miami)