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RE: So who goes to the Summit?
(07-18-2017 03:16 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  You want a quote from a WAC commish or AD saying "Yeah, we're planning to boot Chicago State out after next year"??

There is no such thing, in any conference, before the fact. That's why it's on you, as the defender, to come up with solid evidence supporting their inclusion.

I don't know why it is on me since no one has said anything about them leaving, but here is evidence that they are not leaving:

http://www.themonitor.com/sports/article...48a3d.html

This article was from October 17, 2016. This from the article:

Hurd said he’s visited Chicago State as recently as the past couple weeks. He believes their WAC membership is secure.

“My conversations with Chicago State indicate that the institution is committed to remaining at the Division I level, it’s committed to the WAC, and as it moves on, it’s internally structuring itself so it can handle the challenges that it has from a budget situation and from an enrollment situation,” Hurd said. “Obviously, those have to improve. But I don’t have any reason to believe today that they won’t improve.”


Now that the Illinois State budget has been approved and there will be money flowing to schools in Illinois, the issues that Chicago State faces can be addressed. One thing not mentioned in this article is "the contract." It only comes up on this board.
07-18-2017 11:42 PM
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Nice like Bobcat. Had not seen that quote. noted.

However the Lucy administration, a continuation of the Watson regime, of that article is no longer running the show.

1. Trustee Nikki Zollar resigned her position on the Board.
2. Associate Vice President of Human Resources Renee Mitchell resigned
3. Police Chief Patricia Walsh no longer works at Chicago State
4. General Counsel Patrick Cage no longer works at Chicago State
5. Interim Vice President of Administration and Finance and former Interim President Cecil Lucy no longer works at Chicago State

There are still a number of Watson holdovers remaining, most notably and most toxic Provost Angela Henderson. But the support system of cronies have been stripped down and her hold is tenuous. Trustee Marshall Hatch has yet to resign as well, and so is assistant provost Yvonne Davila (amazingly incompetent Zollar crony). If the new administration can get rid of Henderson, then the path will be clear for reform to begin.

At some point the new administration will focus on Athletics. But to date they have made no commitment.

As for the money flowing, the most important for Chicago state is MAP, as 95% of their students are on this aid. There is however no indication that any lost funds from prior years will be restored to any Illinois schools. (There was no sudden increase in tax receipts, just a budget to distribute the money coming in more along the lines of priorities rather than emergency needs). I don't see how that translates to athletics, which right now absorbs almost $1500 a year per student to operate, almost 5x the norm. There are no donations, almost zero ticket sales and other merchandise to offset costs. The administration will certainly look at this very soon.

When the new administration says they will continue in the WAC I will believe it. But the words of an old Watson holdover like interim AD Diddy means nothing. Cecil Lucy no longer controls the purse strings.
07-19-2017 02:14 AM
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(07-18-2017 11:42 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  One thing not mentioned in this article is "the contract." It only comes up on this board.

Well, here due to it appearing on Chicago State BoT minutes...
07-19-2017 08:40 AM
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(07-19-2017 02:14 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Nice like Bobcat. Had not seen that quote. noted

As for the money flowing, the most important for Chicago state is MAP, as 95% of their students are on this aid. There is however no indication that any lost funds from prior years will be restored to any Illinois schools. (There was no sudden increase in tax receipts, just a budget to distribute the money coming in more along the lines of priorities rather than emergency needs). I don't see how that translates to athletics, which right now absorbs almost $1500 a year per student to operate, almost 5x the norm. There are no donations, almost zero ticket sales and other merchandise to offset costs. The administration will certainly look at this very soon.

When the new administration says they will continue in the WAC I will believe it. But the words of an old Watson holdover like interim AD Diddy means nothing. Cecil Lucy no longer controls the purse strings.

Stu, all schools in Illinois will be receiving their MAP money for Fiscal Year 2017, which ended on June 30th, and for Fiscal Year 2018, which began July 1st. The state is releasing $400 million in MAP money. All schools are getting their funding owed from FY 17, which is $23 million for Chicago State. The state of Illinois has increased the state income tax by 32% to pay for the spending, effective July 16th. That is raising about $5 billion per year.

It is going to take time for the new board to implement changes and improvements. They are operating on a reduced budget of $79 million this year, down from $106 million two years ago. They eliminated about 300 jobs over the past two years.

Athletics have not been affected and in fact they just got a commitment from a 3 star guard from Chicago. Athletics are the least of their problems at Chicago State and being D1 and a member of the WAC is seen as helpful at this point in time.
07-19-2017 09:28 AM
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(07-18-2017 11:42 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  I don't know why it is on me since no one has said anything about them leaving

Because, as I just explained, there can't be any public quotes about them being evicted before the fact. It doesn't work that way.

The WAC commish isn't going to come out in public months before the fact and say "Yeah Chicago St is gonna get canned, were done with their a__es."

(07-18-2017 11:42 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  http://www.themonitor.com/sports/article...48a3d.html

This article was from October 17, 2016. This from the article:

Hurd said he’s visited Chicago State as recently as the past couple weeks. He believes their WAC membership is secure.

“My conversations with Chicago State indicate that the institution is committed to remaining at the Division I level, it’s committed to the WAC, and as it moves on, it’s internally structuring itself so it can handle the challenges that it has from a budget situation and from an enrollment situation,” Hurd said. “Obviously, those have to improve. But I don’t have any reason to believe today that they won’t improve.”


Now that the Illinois State budget has been approved and there will be money flowing to schools in Illinois, the issues that Chicago State faces can be addressed. One thing not mentioned in this article is "the contract." It only comes up on this board.

Ok fine, guess what -- your argument has a heartbeat. It's not dead.

You however cannot pretend that Chicago St doesn't have massive structure issues, in terms of enrollment and just surviving as a school. How can a public school with enrollment dropping from ~8k to ~3k even dare to talk about needing to spend $10M to stay in NCAA DI athletics??

The NAIA would be much more appropriate for their situation.


(07-19-2017 09:28 AM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  It is going to take time for the new board to implement changes and improvements. They are operating on a reduced budget of $79 million this year, down from $106 million two years ago. They eliminated about 300 jobs over the past two years.

And spending $10M/year on athletics would be prudent for such a school???? Not a chance in h_ll.

Glad they got a 3 star bball player. A coach can tell a player whatever he wants ... the coach doesn't control what happens to the school. If CSU leaves the WAC, then that player will be allowed to transfer and be eligible immediately.
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