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(08-20-2017 12:03 AM)Renandpat Wrote:  Homeboy did a fast bait and switch from downtown to this.
Color me unconcerned.


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AD forgot to tell those kids that most of them will get CTE along with toughness.
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http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2...ideas.html

Concept images of the south campus arena concept included.
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(11-22-2017 09:27 AM)el_norte Wrote:  http://www.news-gazette.com/news/local/2...ideas.html

Concept images of the south campus arena concept included.

This will be interesting: the pros and cons for the location of the arena are pretty much on point. The downtown developer is correct that the South Campus location is actually farther to travel to for most students despite being on campus. However, the downtown location inherently cannot be owned and/or controlled by the university, which is the threshold issue. This will come down to less about location and more about whether the university wants to own this facility as opposed to leasing from a third party (and that's all assuming whether the university even wants to have a hockey team).

The fact that a guy that doesn't even own the land on South Campus (albeit owns the Research Park right next to it) spent $50,000 out of his own pocket for a consulting study shows that there's definitely a high level of interest in hockey in the community. I think virtually everyone associated with the University of Illinois wants to see hockey added, but it of course all comes down to how it's going to get paid for (with a program that has both high capital startup and long-term operating costs).
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(03-08-2018 11:44 AM)dreamlander Wrote:  Illinois Releases Intercollegiate Hockey Feasibility Study

Sounds like if they can secure funding, it's a go
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(03-08-2018 11:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 11:44 AM)dreamlander Wrote:  Illinois Releases Intercollegiate Hockey Feasibility Study

Sounds like if they can secure funding, it's a go

That's the $100 million question!

I'm cautiously optimistic... but it will still come to whether or not there's a massive donation coming down the pike.
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(03-08-2018 04:50 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 11:54 AM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(03-08-2018 11:44 AM)dreamlander Wrote:  Illinois Releases Intercollegiate Hockey Feasibility Study

Sounds like if they can secure funding, it's a go

That's the $100 million question!

I'm cautiously optimistic... but it will still come to whether or not there's a massive donation coming down the pike.

I agree as the $300MM capital campaign for athletics launched last November did include the formation of a hockey team.

Ironically, the paper made no mention of an increase in student athletic fee or the cost of a referendum to increase it.
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https://www.landof10.com/iowa/iowa-hocke...coralville

Looks like the new Coralville Arena will be tenantless without Iowa hockey. Barta is claiming they won’t start hockey, but he’s begging donors to give on an Kinnick improvement project. Has to deny hockey until the Kinnick project is funded. USHL junior rules won’t allow a team in Coralville as it’s too close to Cedar Rapids’ team.
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So Penn St has had a profitable hockey team all along. Doesn’t hurt to have a paid for rink, which Illinois and Iowa could have too, only they would probably need to pay rent.

http://www.statecollege.com/news/local-n...s,1475777/
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Although it seems premature, there is talk about Kansas joining Varsity DI hockey down the road in their student paper. But there will need an arena. STL has a rather robust hockey development scene and KC is improving with Hunt funding an arena in the KC metro area.

http://www.kansan.com/sports/ku-hockey-c...ab85a.html
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(03-17-2018 11:47 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Although it seems premature, there is talk about Kansas joining Varsity DI hockey down the road in their student paper. But there will need an arena. STL has a rather robust hockey development scene and KC is improving with Hunt funding an arena in the KC metro area.

http://www.kansan.com/sports/ku-hockey-c...ab85a.html

All rumors.
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(03-17-2018 11:47 PM)NoDak Wrote:  Although it seems premature, there is talk about Kansas joining Varsity DI hockey down the road in their student paper. But there will need an arena. STL has a rather robust hockey development scene and KC is improving with Hunt funding an arena in the KC metro area.

http://www.kansan.com/sports/ku-hockey-c...ab85a.html
Hockey's a nonstarter in the KC area. Unlike Nebraska or Iowa, Kansas has little to no tradition of supporting the sport. I just can't see this happening, especially with their push to improve their football program at the moment.
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Sounds like both Illinois and Oakland will be building rinks and having a go at varsity hockey: https://www.ozy.com/the-huddle/the-nhl-b...60.twitter
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(04-09-2018 01:50 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Sounds like both Illinois and Oakland will be building rinks and having a go at varsity hockey: https://www.ozy.com/the-huddle/the-nhl-b...60.twitter

I don't think there's anything in that link that indicates more than what has been stated before: the schools are interested, but basically need a ton of funding to make it happen.

Like I've said before: you won't find any bigger booster of Illinois Division I hockey than me. However, I'm also a realist in that it's only happening with a $50 million-plus donation. This isn't a "we'll build this gradually and see if we can make it work" situation. Either that donation comes in to start the hockey program or it's not happening at all. I don't have a great sense about whether that donation is coming - it's a massive donation at any level (whether it would be for academics or a higher profile sport like football and basketball). Penn State was such a unique situation where you had a billionaire alum who was very personally invested in hockey (both emotionally and financially via ownership of the Buffalo Sabres). It's just hard to know whether a similar person is out there for Illinois. (The closest person that I can think of is former Illini basketball player Jerry Colangelo, who isn't a hockey person per se but has spent his whole life building up sports teams and programs - former owner of the Suns and Diamondbacks, key person to bring the Coyotes to Arizona, managing director of USA Basketball, instrumental in building up Grand Canyon University's athletic programs, etc. Even for an extremely wealthy guy like him, a $50 million donation is a tall order. Larry Ellison, the founder of Oracle and one of the top 5 richest people in the world, attended but never graduated from Illinois and could find $50 million laying around on his nightstand, but he's never really been interested in Illinois athletics.)
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(04-09-2018 09:34 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 01:50 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Sounds like both Illinois and Oakland will be building rinks and having a go at varsity hockey: https://www.ozy.com/the-huddle/the-nhl-b...60.twitter

I don't think there's anything in that link that indicates more than what has been stated before: the schools are interested, but basically need a ton of funding to make it happen.

Like I've said before: you won't find any bigger booster of Illinois Division I hockey than me. However, I'm also a realist in that it's only happening with a $50 million-plus donation. This isn't a "we'll build this gradually and see if we can make it work" situation. Either that donation comes in to start the hockey program or it's not happening at all. I don't have a great sense about whether that donation is coming - it's a massive donation at any level (whether it would be for academics or a higher profile sport like football and basketball). Penn State was such a unique situation where you had a billionaire alum who was very personally invested in hockey (both emotionally and financially via ownership of the Buffalo Sabres). It's just hard to know whether a similar person is out there for Illinois. (The closest person that I can think of is former Illini basketball player Jerry Colangelo, who isn't a hockey person per se but has spent his whole life building up sports teams and programs - former owner of the Suns and Diamondbacks, key person to bring the Coyotes to Arizona, managing director of USA Basketball, instrumental in building up Grand Canyon University's athletic programs, etc. Even for an extremely wealthy guy like him, a $50 million donation is a tall order. Larry Ellison, the founder of Oracle and one of the top 5 richest people in the world, attended but never graduated from Illinois and could find $50 million laying around on his nightstand, but he's never really been interested in Illinois athletics.)

You guys should've convinced Gies to cut back his B-school donation to "only" $100 million lol, you'd still have 50 left over to fund hockey. My dad went to U of I and has a good friend who is pretty high up in the fundraising functions, he said at last December's Braggin' Rights game they were expecting a big donation from them but realistically in the 15-20 range.
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A private developer was going to build an arena and hotel complex in downtown Champaign. Aa Pegula type donor isn’t needed. If the Illini want hockey endowed, a campaign for $20 mill could happen rather fast.

Heard that in addition to hockey, women’s volleyball and gymnastics would also have competition there.

Why did Illinois and Oakland make their participation in feasibility studies public? They could have chosen to keep quiet about it like two other schools have done, and the public would not have known of their potential interest.

Think both places will field very strong teams with good support.
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The Sharks are building a new ice complex with an arena that seats 4500. Would Stanford take the ice hockey plunge?

https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/04/05/s...ts-hockey/
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(04-09-2018 06:54 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 09:34 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(04-09-2018 01:50 AM)NoDak Wrote:  Sounds like both Illinois and Oakland will be building rinks and having a go at varsity hockey: https://www.ozy.com/the-huddle/the-nhl-b...60.twitter

I don't think there's anything in that link that indicates more than what has been stated before: the schools are interested, but basically need a ton of funding to make it happen.

Like I've said before: you won't find any bigger booster of Illinois Division I hockey than me. However, I'm also a realist in that it's only happening with a $50 million-plus donation. This isn't a "we'll build this gradually and see if we can make it work" situation. Either that donation comes in to start the hockey program or it's not happening at all. I don't have a great sense about whether that donation is coming - it's a massive donation at any level (whether it would be for academics or a higher profile sport like football and basketball). Penn State was such a unique situation where you had a billionaire alum who was very personally invested in hockey (both emotionally and financially via ownership of the Buffalo Sabres). It's just hard to know whether a similar person is out there for Illinois. (The closest person that I can think of is former Illini basketball player Jerry Colangelo, who isn't a hockey person per se but has spent his whole life building up sports teams and programs - former owner of the Suns and Diamondbacks, key person to bring the Coyotes to Arizona, managing director of USA Basketball, instrumental in building up Grand Canyon University's athletic programs, etc. Even for an extremely wealthy guy like him, a $50 million donation is a tall order. Larry Ellison, the founder of Oracle and one of the top 5 richest people in the world, attended but never graduated from Illinois and could find $50 million laying around on his nightstand, but he's never really been interested in Illinois athletics.)

You guys should've convinced Gies to cut back his B-school donation to "only" $100 million lol, you'd still have 50 left over to fund hockey. My dad went to U of I and has a good friend who is pretty high up in the fundraising functions, he said at last December's Braggin' Rights game they were expecting a big donation from them but realistically in the 15-20 range.

Ha! I wouldn’t go that far. As a U of I business school grad, that donation from Gies is WAY more important for a much larger number of students compared to hockey. It’s a potential game-changer that can get the B-school into the top academic tier in the way that its engineering school already is today. The State of Illinois funding for public universities is essentially zero at this point, so U of I needs to fundraise as if it were a private university going forward.
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(04-09-2018 10:59 PM)NoDak Wrote:  A private developer was going to build an arena and hotel complex in downtown Champaign. Aa Pegula type donor isn’t needed. If the Illini want hockey endowed, a campaign for $20 mill could happen rather fast.

Heard that in addition to hockey, women’s volleyball and gymnastics would also have competition there.

Why did Illinois and Oakland make their participation in feasibility studies public? They could have chosen to keep quiet about it like two other schools have done, and the public would not have known of their potential interest.

Think both places will field very strong teams with good support.

Yes, there is a private arena development proposal. If that wasn’t on the table, then Illinois would need to raise $100 million instead of $50 million. What Illinois has made clear is that full endowment is an absolute 100% requirement to start a hockey program and no current athletic department funds are going to be used to support hockey: it all has to be net new money coming. As a result, it’s not “just” $20 million (which is still a massive number even for a huge Big Ten school). Illinois also needs to fully endow at least one other women’s sport (such as hockey and/or lacrosse), endow at least the head coaching position, and set up a fund to cover long-term expenses of renting the new private arena. Once again, none of that money can come from current athletic department funding. So, $50 million is the number that I’ve consistently heard for what would be required as a minimum. Other schools might be willing to not fully endow scholarships, cut other men’s sports, or use existing athletic department funds for starting hockey that would all require less upfront fundraising, but that simply won’t be happening at Illinois (which is a stance that I agree with). Believe me - I wish that startup number was lower, but it is what it is.

At least for Illinois, the release of the study served its purpose of furthering the objective above: if the school can get $50 million, then it’s not just throwing that money down the drain for hockey. Instead, it can be a long-term revenue generator and this school has the earmarks of future success in the sport both on and off-the-ice. Josh Whitman (the Illinois AD) can take this study to potential donors and show that he’s not just blowing smoke. I’m just saying that Whitman would be the first to tell you that hockey isn’t happening without the full fundraising that I’ve noted above. All of this money has to be net new - that’s simply the requirement for Illinois.

The school is pushing its alums for donations for a LOT of initiatives right now, so no one can assume that hockey funding is going to be easy to find when there are so many high dollar priorities for the university. Like I’ve said - I’d LOVE for Illinois to have hockey. However, if I actually was in position to make a $50 million donation to the university, do I want to donate it for hockey or, say, provide it for the new medical school that also needs a ton of capital to get off of the ground? $50 million could probably turn the U of I College of Education (where my wife graduated from) into one of the very top education programs in the country and fully endow scholarships for hundreds of future teachers to be able to graduate without debt. There are countless other tangible and worthy academic initiatives all over the place at U of I that our high net worth donors are evaluating right now. I’m just not sure where hockey falls on the priority list for any of them.

Remember that U of I’s competitors in academia are places like Michigan, Berkeley, the Ivy League schools, MIT, Stanford, etc. It takes a LOT of money to compete with them for institutes and professors that make trying to compete with Alabama and Ohio State for football look like a drop in the hockey by comparison. Throughout this whole process, I have been hopeful for hockey because I absolutely agree with the study showing that it would be a huge success at Illinois, but I also understand that this is a much larger fundraising hurdle than a lot of people are giving it credit for (as this is a Big Ten school that isn’t going to have a bare bones operation).
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