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My Mountain West 19 (16 for football)
West Div: Hawaii (now full member) / San Jose / Fresno / San Diego / UNLV / Nevada / Boise / Utah St

Mountain Div: Wyoming / Colo St / Air Force / New Mexico / NMSU / UTEP / UTSA / Rice

Non-football: Grand Canyon / Seattle / UT-Arlington
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RE: My Mountain West 19 (16 for football)
DUPLICATE THREAD

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Please close this thread and move fresnofanatic's post to "my ideal conference"
http://csnbbs.com/thread-805850.html
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BB only in LAi like it, hold off on NMST, MWC has shot at SMU or No Tex
there are BB only out there that would help G5
BB only in LA would be ideal for MWC
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This is a terrific conference! Great job!
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RE: My Mountain West 19 (16 for football)
I will throw Texas State in instead of New Mexico State. Both UTEP and New Mexico will not be in the same conference with them.

GCU, Seattle and UTA are out.

UC-Irvine, Gonzaga, BYU and St. Mary's could work out. You could throw NDSU on the east to have 18 football and 21 basketball.
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So you invite New Mexico St, all the CUSA Texas schools (except NT), even UT-A, and even invite Seattle and GCU ... but no Idaho?

Sorry, but piss on that. Make room for Idaho, then you have a deal.
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(06-22-2017 05:12 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  I will throw Texas State in instead of New Mexico State. Both UTEP and New Mexico will not be in the same conference with them.

GCU, Seattle and UTA are out.

UC-Irvine, Gonzaga, BYU and St. Mary's could work out. You could throw NDSU on the east to have 18 football and 21 basketball.

I'm partial to NMSU. Texas State a good replacement, tho. BYU, Gonz and St Mary's wouldn't come. Irvine not bad but if LA were to be in there, I'd rather have Long Beach.

Football I'd keep at 16 max for Air Force's sake. They wouldn't want 9 conference games in football because 3 OOC games would limit them to Army, Navy and only 1 other.....be nice if Army were football only to make 18, tho. But that'd be hella travel for Army. But that's what one joins the military for, right, the travel? 03-wink
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If the limit is set at 16 fb / 19 bb and no schools from power conferences, the American, or BYU fb will join...

West: Hawaii, San Diego St, San Jose St, Fresno St, Nevada, UNLV, Boise St, Utah St
East: Wyoming, Colorado St, Air Force, New Mexico, UTEP, UTSA, Rice, North Texas
Non-Football: BYU, Gonzaga, St. Mary's

If American schools and BYU fb is on the table...

West: Hawaii, San Diego St, San Jose St, Fresno St, Nevada, UNLV, Boise St, BYU
East: Utah St, Wyoming, Colorado St, Air Force, New Mexico, Tulsa, SMU, Houston
Non-Football: Wichita St, Gonzaga, St. Mary's
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(06-21-2017 11:29 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  West Div: Hawaii (now full member) / San Jose / Fresno / San Diego / UNLV / Nevada / Boise / Utah St

Mountain Div: Wyoming / Colo St / Air Force / New Mexico / NMSU / UTEP / UTSA / Rice

Non-football: Grand Canyon / Seattle / UT-Arlington

If you're going non-FB then why not add Gonzaga, St. Mary's and Long Beach St?
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(06-22-2017 10:26 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 11:29 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  West Div: Hawaii (now full member) / San Jose / Fresno / San Diego / UNLV / Nevada / Boise / Utah St

Mountain Div: Wyoming / Colo St / Air Force / New Mexico / NMSU / UTEP / UTSA / Rice

Non-football: Grand Canyon / Seattle / UT-Arlington

If you're going non-FB then why not add Gonzaga, St. Mary's and Long Beach St?

Long Beach is the only one that would accept. And they would be a good add as one of the non-football 3.
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(06-22-2017 10:50 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  
(06-22-2017 10:26 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 11:29 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  West Div: Hawaii (now full member) / San Jose / Fresno / San Diego / UNLV / Nevada / Boise / Utah St

Mountain Div: Wyoming / Colo St / Air Force / New Mexico / NMSU / UTEP / UTSA / Rice

Non-football: Grand Canyon / Seattle / UT-Arlington

If you're going non-FB then why not add Gonzaga, St. Mary's and Long Beach St?

Long Beach is the only one that would accept. And they would be a good add as one of the non-football 3.


I posted a thread a month or 2 ago that the MWC wants to keep up with AAC in football and basketball. They would be interested in Gonzaga, BYU and St. Mary's to the list. MWC is more competitors that could challenge to those 3, and that MWC seems to be ahead of WCC in basketball power. Those 3 from WCC compare with 5 to 6 MWC schools that could win the title and have multi-bids to the tournament would help. It would bring the MWC close to the AAC and Big East in basketball power.
Long Beach State have been interested in joining the MWC and have been flirting to re-start their football program just to join the conference.
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You'll have to explain to me why going to 16 teams for football and 19 for all sports is necessary or even a good idea. Tournaments with 12 and 14 teams in them are unwieldy as it is, and TV revenues aren't growing to facilitate cutting the pie into more slices.
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(06-23-2017 12:03 AM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  You'll have to explain to me why going to 16 teams for football and 19 for all sports is necessary or even a good idea. Tournaments with 12 and 14 teams in them are unwieldy as it is, and TV revenues aren't growing to facilitate cutting the pie into more slices.

That is a very appropriate question. And the purpose would be to have more inventory and tv markets to entice sports networks (tv and online) to pay this Conference enough to exceed the pie sharing problem.

I cannot see it realistically doing so, though. But if the conference got wind from some big corporation wanting to join in the college sports programming (i.e.: AT&T, especially if they are approved by Feds to acquire TimeWarner), and that this upstart in college sports programming wanted say the American and an expanded MW as their beginning anchor (think how Big East was espn's college sports doorway). So maybe within that wind, this wannabe major-player sports network told American to add say, Army and one other, and told the MW to get into San Antonio market, and some other decent names like Rice and UTEP, as well as Seattle (who don't have NBA anymore, albeit have Huskies but no major basketball team with the city's name in it....could Seattle U. build to become the Gonzaga/Catholic-on-the-wet-side-of-the-Cascades???....).

I envision ATT (with Time Warner channels added) wanting a slightly expanded American and an expanded MW like I posted. MW would have to add more than aac would since aac already has more larger metro markets than MW.....GCU in Phoenix (area) is nice too. UT-Arlington has had good basketball last few seasons and would assist in olympic sport travel and Dallas area recruiting for UTSA, Rice and UTEP.....El Paso is a decent sized medium sized market that is untouched.
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Well, they should add UTEP. That's for sure ...
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The MWC has shown no interest in 16 full members nor adding non-football members.
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(06-23-2017 07:52 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Well, they should add UTEP. That's for sure ...

Agreed there. I wish UTEP was with us.
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(06-23-2017 02:38 AM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  
(06-23-2017 12:03 AM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  You'll have to explain to me why going to 16 teams for football and 19 for all sports is necessary or even a good idea. Tournaments with 12 and 14 teams in them are unwieldy as it is, and TV revenues aren't growing to facilitate cutting the pie into more slices.

That is a very appropriate question. And the purpose would be to have more inventory and tv markets to entice sports networks (tv and online) to pay this Conference enough to exceed the pie sharing problem.

I cannot see it realistically doing so, though. But if the conference got wind from some big corporation wanting to join in the college sports programming (i.e.: AT&T, especially if they are approved by Feds to acquire TimeWarner), and that this upstart in college sports programming wanted say the American and an expanded MW as their beginning anchor (think how Big East was espn's college sports doorway). So maybe within that wind, this wannabe major-player sports network told American to add say, Army and one other, and told the MW to get into San Antonio market, and some other decent names like Rice and UTEP, as well as Seattle (who don't have NBA anymore, albeit have Huskies but no major basketball team with the city's name in it....could Seattle U. build to become the Gonzaga/Catholic-on-the-wet-side-of-the-Cascades???....).

I envision ATT (with Time Warner channels added) wanting a slightly expanded American and an expanded MW like I posted. MW would have to add more than aac would since aac already has more larger metro markets than MW.....GCU in Phoenix (area) is nice too. UT-Arlington has had good basketball last few seasons and would assist in olympic sport travel and Dallas area recruiting for UTSA, Rice and UTEP.....El Paso is a decent sized medium sized market that is untouched.

But what you might gain in TV revenue (which I doubt because none of the available candidates are more valuable than what the MWC already has) you lose by having to share CFP revenues - which are fixed - with four more schools.
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(06-23-2017 09:28 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-23-2017 02:38 AM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  
(06-23-2017 12:03 AM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  You'll have to explain to me why going to 16 teams for football and 19 for all sports is necessary or even a good idea. Tournaments with 12 and 14 teams in them are unwieldy as it is, and TV revenues aren't growing to facilitate cutting the pie into more slices.

That is a very appropriate question. And the purpose would be to have more inventory and tv markets to entice sports networks (tv and online) to pay this Conference enough to exceed the pie sharing problem.

I cannot see it realistically doing so, though. But if the conference got wind from some big corporation wanting to join in the college sports programming (i.e.: AT&T, especially if they are approved by Feds to acquire TimeWarner), and that this upstart in college sports programming wanted say the American and an expanded MW as their beginning anchor (think how Big East was espn's college sports doorway). So maybe within that wind, this wannabe major-player sports network told American to add say, Army and one other, and told the MW to get into San Antonio market, and some other decent names like Rice and UTEP, as well as Seattle (who don't have NBA anymore, albeit have Huskies but no major basketball team with the city's name in it....could Seattle U. build to become the Gonzaga/Catholic-on-the-wet-side-of-the-Cascades???....).

I envision ATT (with Time Warner channels added) wanting a slightly expanded American and an expanded MW like I posted. MW would have to add more than aac would since aac already has more larger metro markets than MW.....GCU in Phoenix (area) is nice too. UT-Arlington has had good basketball last few seasons and would assist in olympic sport travel and Dallas area recruiting for UTSA, Rice and UTEP.....El Paso is a decent sized medium sized market that is untouched.

But what you might gain in TV revenue (which I doubt because none of the available candidates are more valuable than what the MWC already has) you lose by having to share CFP revenues - which are fixed - with four more schools.

Right. So UTEP, UTSA, Rice and NMSU might have to not get a cut of MW pool A and Pool B revenues. So the next MW tv contract in a couple years would just have to make sure all 16 football members get at least a little more than $1.5MM per member. (MW currently gets $18MM per year, which is $1.5MM per year per member if we didn't have our 'tv bonus and Boise State garuntees' in place). So, without receiving Pool A&B revenue, the 4 football adds would still make more than they are getting currently in CUSA/Sunbelt>football-independent. We could even give to Boise as a consolation for losing their special treatment, an extra $2MM/year by taking away $500K each from their share of the new tv contract pie. And these 4 adds would still make more than they do now.
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(06-23-2017 12:28 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  
(06-23-2017 09:28 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(06-23-2017 02:38 AM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  
(06-23-2017 12:03 AM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  You'll have to explain to me why going to 16 teams for football and 19 for all sports is necessary or even a good idea. Tournaments with 12 and 14 teams in them are unwieldy as it is, and TV revenues aren't growing to facilitate cutting the pie into more slices.

That is a very appropriate question. And the purpose would be to have more inventory and tv markets to entice sports networks (tv and online) to pay this Conference enough to exceed the pie sharing problem.

I cannot see it realistically doing so, though. But if the conference got wind from some big corporation wanting to join in the college sports programming (i.e.: AT&T, especially if they are approved by Feds to acquire TimeWarner), and that this upstart in college sports programming wanted say the American and an expanded MW as their beginning anchor (think how Big East was espn's college sports doorway). So maybe within that wind, this wannabe major-player sports network told American to add say, Army and one other, and told the MW to get into San Antonio market, and some other decent names like Rice and UTEP, as well as Seattle (who don't have NBA anymore, albeit have Huskies but no major basketball team with the city's name in it....could Seattle U. build to become the Gonzaga/Catholic-on-the-wet-side-of-the-Cascades???....).

I envision ATT (with Time Warner channels added) wanting a slightly expanded American and an expanded MW like I posted. MW would have to add more than aac would since aac already has more larger metro markets than MW.....GCU in Phoenix (area) is nice too. UT-Arlington has had good basketball last few seasons and would assist in olympic sport travel and Dallas area recruiting for UTSA, Rice and UTEP.....El Paso is a decent sized medium sized market that is untouched.

But what you might gain in TV revenue (which I doubt because none of the available candidates are more valuable than what the MWC already has) you lose by having to share CFP revenues - which are fixed - with four more schools.

Right. So UTEP, UTSA, Rice and NMSU might have to not get a cut of MW pool A and Pool B revenues. So the next MW tv contract in a couple years would just have to make sure all 16 football members get at least a little more than $1.5MM per member. (MW currently gets $18MM per year, which is $1.5MM per year per member if we didn't have our 'tv bonus and Boise State garuntees' in place). So, without receiving Pool A&B revenue, the 4 football adds would still make more than they are getting currently in CUSA/Sunbelt>football-independent. We could even give to Boise as a consolation for losing their special treatment, an extra $2MM/year by taking away $500K each from their share of the new tv contract pie. And these 4 adds would still make more than they do now.

As long as Boise still doing well on ESPN, I think their contract will be renewed for their home games. I do not think ESPN wants to lose their games.
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(06-21-2017 11:29 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  West Div: Hawaii (now full member) / San Jose / Fresno / San Diego / UNLV / Nevada / Boise / Utah St

Mountain Div: Wyoming / Colo St / Air Force / New Mexico / NMSU / UTEP / UTSA / Rice

Non-football: Grand Canyon / Seattle / UT-Arlington

Drop the non-football schools and the WAC with football is reincarnated again only under the MWC name. 04-jawdrop 03-cloud9 03-drunk 03-lmfao 03-banghead 03-yawn 04-rock 04-bow 05-stirthepot 05-ban 05-nono 05-mafia 07-coffee3 04-cheers
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