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RE: Horizon has offered an unnamed school... GCU?
I find it odd. NMSUhas contact with THL earlier this year. Now, THL (supposedly) offers GCU and suggests that a travel partner is a good possibility. Wouldnt it make more sense to say its TWO schools?
Or did the NMSU investigate and decide it easnt worth the $$$.

Now, I've been following a Twitter conversation with a reporter, Stu, and Sparty. They kind of suggest a CSUB/UCSD to the BW may be the driver behind this, from how im reading it.
Wild stuff....if in fact, it IS even GCU.

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RE: Horizon has offered an unnamed school... GCU?
I checked the Indiana laws on public meetings, and the transition of Fort Wayne. It would be an incredible feat to pull a conference change at this time, or frankly in the next two years. They need two board approvals, revision of the fee structure, and more change conferences.

SIU-E is confirmed out and so are RMU and IUPUI (no baseball).

Only one candidate left standing, Grand Canyon. Just one question, are they joining immediately in 2017-18 or in 2018-19?
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Going to be pretty pissed if we're off to the California Bus League.
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RE: Horizon has offered an unnamed school... GCU?
If this were the HL of old then I'd applaud a potential move. With the current HL makeup, I think the WAC is not only better but has more potential.
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RE: Horizon has offered an unnamed school... GCU?
Horizon League is interested in both NMSU and GCU, but both would have to join together for it to happen. I believe that is what the Horizon League told New Mexico State. And it was reported by a NMSU fan on our sports forum that GCU has no interest in joining the Horizon.
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RE: Horizon has offered an unnamed school... GCU?
(06-21-2017 08:35 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  Horizon League is interested in both NMSU and GCU, but both would have to join together for it to happen. I believe that is what the Horizon League told New Mexico State. And it was reported by a NMSU fan on our sports forum that GCU has no interest in joining the Horizon.

If NMSU were to join, then definitely it would make a little more sense. Though I don't think it'd be a positive move for either program.
I don't see the current makeup better than the current WAC. And the future is promising in the WAC with much better travel destinations than the HL.
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RE: Horizon has offered an unnamed school... GCU?
NMSU was timid and feeling it out.

GCU was direct and decisive.

NMSU will go back and be more decisive. LeCrone values relevance over footprint. Adding GCU to his conference opens the door to target schools like NMSU, SFA, Murray St, Belmont, and Liberty, maybe even Denver.

If LeCrone let them add any of those hyphenated schools (PFW or SIUE or IUPUI) or 'so what' RMU, he would have relegated the Horizon to the forever irrelevant bottom feeder conferences. And UWM and UIC would be looking for the exit tomorrow.
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RE: Horizon has offered an unnamed school... GCU?
(06-21-2017 08:59 PM)joshadam84 Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 08:35 PM)FINALFOUR1970SWEETSIXTEEN1992 Wrote:  Horizon League is interested in both NMSU and GCU, but both would have to join together for it to happen. I believe that is what the Horizon League told New Mexico State. And it was reported by a NMSU fan on our sports forum that GCU has no interest in joining the Horizon.

If NMSU were to join, then definitely it would make a little more sense. Though I don't think it'd be a positive move for either program.
I don't see the current makeup better than the current WAC. And the future is promising in the WAC with much better travel destinations than the HL.

NMSU could be keeping tighter lips on it than people around GCU
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Even with adding a travel partner it's still a horrendous idea that will not end pretty. I have no idea what they are thinking. People make fun of the WAC for geography but two far west teams playing in the midwest is even more bizarre and bound to fail.
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I ont see it as a long term deal for GCU if they go or for any western school but strength in number and more stability is something that everyone wants. Does a Green Bay make ppl go crazy when it comes to OLY sports? No but everyone knows they aren't a flight risk. Everyone in the WAC is a flight risk for one reason or another some good some bad. Cant fault GCU trying to leave before others do.
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The Horizon League currently has 9 teams and is not stable in the slightest. The Valley will expand more in the future, there's no doubt to that and they were already looking at about 3 more Horizon league teams to add. It's about as stable as the WAC. I think the problem is GCU thinking they are bigger than they are. GCU hasn't even been eligible to play in the tournament yet and they already want to bail, to the midwest no less. I get they are loaded with money but it's certainly not a good look.
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So say GCU does jump ship along with NMSU, UMKC, and/or Bakersfield. What happens to the rest of us? Will the Big Sky save Seattle U, UVU, or Bakersfield? UTRGV needs to get into the Southland or ASun. Cal Baptist? Chicago State?
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(06-21-2017 10:17 PM)SeattleVandals Wrote:  So say GCU does jump ship along with NMSU, UMKC, and/or Bakersfield. What happens to the rest of us? Will the Big Sky save Seattle U, UVU, or Bakersfield? UTRGV needs to get into the Southland or ASun. Cal Baptist? Chicago State?
The $64,000 question..? Hope everyine finds a landing place.
.....Bummer if we break up as I've grown to like this group of schools.

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RE: Horizon has offered an unnamed school... GCU?
UMKC- Summit don't see a future for them anywhere else
CSUB- Big West is the only option and they have made it pretty clear they don't want to expand. So no idea. Probably screwed.
Seattle- Big Sky I guess.
Cal Baptist- Screwed probably.
Chicago State- Summit I guess.
UVU- Big Sky?

It really would be a catastrophic disaster.
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UVU used to be in the Summit so theyd have a chance. UTRGV is an option too, but if football is started they will be a shoe in for Southland. I think if the Big Sky does want a 12th OLY school its either SU or Bakersfield. Really doubt Weber wants to add UVU
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Really not looking forward to if this happens.
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RE: Horizon has offered an unnamed school... GCU?
NMSU will try like hell to get in the Horizon. CSUB will get super serious with UCSD about the Big West. After that it's bleak. Chicago State will likely head to the Chicagoland (NAIA/D-II) where I think they are headed anyway. Cal Baptist may get buyers remorse and u-turn to remain in D-II, especially is NMSU and CSUB are successful.

I don't see any current options for SU, UVU, UTRGV or even UMKC.

By adding GCU the Horizon becomes a lot more stable. Had they added one of the other schools UIC and Milwaukee would be working on exit plans, possibly another school. But this add makes the highest value schools much happier with the conference. It means a higher caliber school can be targeted next round. Your flight risk is rarely the bottom schools, but your highest value. GCU add was aimed at placating those schools.

Look we don't know if NMSU can still get into the Horizon. They might be stuck in the WAC, their chance having passed already. CSUB may have the best opportunity to exit next.

But things are likely to shake up more. The Horizon eventual plan is 16 schools. That could hit several conferences including the Summit (Denver, or NDSU and SDSU as a pair), OVC (Murray State, even Belmont), SLC (SF Austin), Big South (Liberty) or WAC (NMSU). This is bound to shake open some slots.

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(06-21-2017 11:36 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  NMSU will try like hell to get in the Horizon. CSUB will get super serious with UCSD about the Big West. After that it's bleak. Chicago State will likely head to the Chicagoland (NAIA/D-II) where I think they are headed anyway. Cal Baptist may get buyers remorse and u-turn to remain in D-II, especially is NMSU and CSUB are successful.

I don't see any current options for SU, UVU, UTRGV or even UMKC.

By adding GCU the Horizon becomes a lot more stable. Had they added one of the other schools UIC and Milwaukee would be working on exit plans, possibly another school. But this add makes the highest value schools much happier with the conference. It means a higher caliber school can be targeted next round. Your flight risk is rarely the bottom schools, but your highest value. GCU add was aimed at placating those schools.

Look we don't know if NMSU can still get into the Horizon. They might be stuck in the WAC, their chance having passed already. CSUB may have the best opportunity to exit next.

But things are likely to shake up more. The Horizon eventual plan is 16 schools. That could hit several conferences including the Summit (Denver, or NDSU and SDSU as a pair), OVC (Murray State, even Belmont), SLC (SF Austin), Big South (Liberty) or WAC (NMSU). This is bound to shake open some slots.

Sleepless nights ahead.

Well Denver doesn't like GCU's model, so that means they won't be joining the Horizon if GCU does.
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(06-21-2017 11:36 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  NMSU will try like hell to get in the Horizon. CSUB will get super serious with UCSD about the Big West. After that it's bleak. Chicago State will likely head to the Chicagoland (NAIA/D-II) where I think they are headed anyway. Cal Baptist may get buyers remorse and u-turn to remain in D-II, especially is NMSU and CSUB are successful.

I don't see any current options for SU, UVU, UTRGV or even UMKC.

By adding GCU the Horizon becomes a lot more stable. Had they added one of the other schools UIC and Milwaukee would be working on exit plans, possibly another school. But this add makes the highest value schools much happier with the conference. It means a higher caliber school can be targeted next round. Your flight risk is rarely the bottom schools, but your highest value. GCU add was aimed at placating those schools.

Look we don't know if NMSU can still get into the Horizon. They might be stuck in the WAC, their chance having passed already. CSUB may have the best opportunity to exit next.

But things are likely to shake up more. The Horizon eventual plan is 16 schools. That could hit several conferences including the Summit (Denver, or NDSU and SDSU as a pair), OVC (Murray State, even Belmont), SLC (SF Austin), Big South (Liberty) or WAC (NMSU). This is bound to shake open some slots.

Sleepless nights ahead.

Why would the Horizon just add GCU though? Either way, they want to be at 12-14. Or even 16 like you said. So thats clearly going to involve at least Fort Wayne, which UMKC is the obvious replacement in the Summit. Unless they left TSL burning bridges.

I dont see how theres anyway UMKC doesnt leave, unless THL stays at 10 with just GCU
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To be fair nobody likes GCU's model lol
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