According to Ron Tillery. That may be TA's market...but I find that a bit surprising.

The veteran minimum for 10+ years of service is $1.6M next year I believe.

If TA accepts, that would be some kinda awesome. Keeping him for that price range is a no-brainer.

Somebody is gonna offer him $5mil+ and he's gonna have a tough, tough choice.

Some were saying TA would get a $5M offer from the Grizz, and ZBo something like 2 years and $24M. If so, would have been a huge mistake.

Guys get to their age, and the pay declines quickly. And it's usually one-year deals.

I think they let Zach test the market. Offer him $5-6M to come back. Say if you can beat that, no hard feelings. Think Zach will be surprised at what he gets offered.

(06-21-2017 03:04 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Some were saying TA would get a $5M offer from the Grizz, and ZBo something like 2 years and $24M. If so, would have been a huge mistake.

Guys get to their age, and the pay declines quickly. And it's usually one-year deals.

I think they let Zach test the market. Offer him $5-6M to come back. Say if you can beat that, no hard feelings. Think Zach will be surprised at what he gets offered.

I don't see Zach's game declining as much with time...given he relies so little on athleticism. If anything, injury from banging down low would be my concern.

That being said - Al Jefferson got $10M+ for 3 years last off-season. Even if ZBo gave us a discount, it'd still be like 7-9M per I think.

TA relies so much on quickness. That definitely lessens with time. I'd be careful giving him anything more than 2 guaranteed years. That being said...the veterans minimum seems low for TA. Maybe we just have a higher opinion of him ... the market will dictate what we have to do with both.

(06-21-2017 03:18 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 03:04 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Some were saying TA would get a $5M offer from the Grizz, and ZBo something like 2 years and $24M. If so, would have been a huge mistake.

Guys get to their age, and the pay declines quickly. And it's usually one-year deals.

I think they let Zach test the market. Offer him $5-6M to come back. Say if you can beat that, no hard feelings. Think Zach will be surprised at what he gets offered.

I don't see Zach's game declining as much with time...given he relies so little on athleticism. If anything, injury from banging down low would be my concern.

That being said - Al Jefferson got $10M+ for 3 years last off-season. Even if ZBo gave us a discount, it'd still be like 7-9M per I think.

TA relies so much on quickness. That definitely lessens with time. I'd be careful giving him anything more than 2 guaranteed years. That being said...the veterans minimum seems low for TA. Maybe we just have a higher opinion of him ... the market will dictate what we have to do with both.

And Indy would do anything to have that Jefferson decision back, dead money now.

David Lee for SA and David West for GS both played for the vet minimum last year. If Zach wants to play for a winner and stay home, he's going to have to lower his expectations.

Zach's offense is still a weapon, and we could use him for 2nd team scoring. But his defense has fallen from poor to bad. And that's on pick-and-rolls, forget about guarding stretch 4's. If he gives up more points than he scores, what's the point? His TPA was 4th worst in the league out of the 200 or so players who had playoff minutes.

My concern is if they come back for less money, will they be unhappy? If TA at any time drops out of the rotation, will be sulk like he has in the past?

They both played well this year, were healthy and productive. Part of me says let them go now after a good year, before it turns ugly.

(06-21-2017 03:37 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 03:18 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 03:04 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Some were saying TA would get a $5M offer from the Grizz, and ZBo something like 2 years and $24M. If so, would have been a huge mistake.

Guys get to their age, and the pay declines quickly. And it's usually one-year deals.

I think they let Zach test the market. Offer him $5-6M to come back. Say if you can beat that, no hard feelings. Think Zach will be surprised at what he gets offered.

I don't see Zach's game declining as much with time...given he relies so little on athleticism. If anything, injury from banging down low would be my concern.

That being said - Al Jefferson got $10M+ for 3 years last off-season. Even if ZBo gave us a discount, it'd still be like 7-9M per I think.

TA relies so much on quickness. That definitely lessens with time. I'd be careful giving him anything more than 2 guaranteed years. That being said...the veterans minimum seems low for TA. Maybe we just have a higher opinion of him ... the market will dictate what we have to do with both.

And Indy would do anything to have that Jefferson decision back, dead money now.

David Lee for SA and David West for GS both played for the vet minimum last year. If Zach wants to play for a winner and stay home, he's going to have to lower his expectations.

Zach's offense is still a weapon, and we could use him for 2nd team scoring. But his defense has fallen from poor to bad. And that's on pick-and-rolls, forget about guarding stretch 4's. If he gives up more points than he scores, what's the point? His TPA was 4th worst in the league out of the 200 or so players who had playoff minutes.

My concern is if they come back for less money, will they be unhappy? If TA at any time drops out of the rotation, will be sulk like he has in the past?

They both played well this year, were healthy and productive. Part of me says let them go now after a good year, before it turns ugly.

Really good points.

(06-21-2017 04:20 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 03:37 PM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 03:18 PM)HometownTiger Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 03:04 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Some were saying TA would get a $5M offer from the Grizz, and ZBo something like 2 years and $24M. If so, would have been a huge mistake.

Guys get to their age, and the pay declines quickly. And it's usually one-year deals.

I think they let Zach test the market. Offer him $5-6M to come back. Say if you can beat that, no hard feelings. Think Zach will be surprised at what he gets offered.

I don't see Zach's game declining as much with time...given he relies so little on athleticism. If anything, injury from banging down low would be my concern.

That being said - Al Jefferson got $10M+ for 3 years last off-season. Even if ZBo gave us a discount, it'd still be like 7-9M per I think.

TA relies so much on quickness. That definitely lessens with time. I'd be careful giving him anything more than 2 guaranteed years. That being said...the veterans minimum seems low for TA. Maybe we just have a higher opinion of him ... the market will dictate what we have to do with both.

And Indy would do anything to have that Jefferson decision back, dead money now.

David Lee for SA and David West for GS both played for the vet minimum last year. If Zach wants to play for a winner and stay home, he's going to have to lower his expectations.

Zach's offense is still a weapon, and we could use him for 2nd team scoring. But his defense has fallen from poor to bad. And that's on pick-and-rolls, forget about guarding stretch 4's. If he gives up more points than he scores, what's the point? His TPA was 4th worst in the league out of the 200 or so players who had playoff minutes.

My concern is if they come back for less money, will they be unhappy? If TA at any time drops out of the rotation, will be sulk like he has in the past?

They both played well this year, were healthy and productive. Part of me says let them go now after a good year, before it turns ugly.

Really good points.

Thanks. And I'm still jealous of those charts or excel spreadsheets that you put together.

I'd hate to see ZBo and TA playing for other teams, but the end is getting near (especially for Tony).

TOny's defense is going down, he's getting older, and he can't shoot. He is a winner and makes smart plays but still, how much can you pay him, or who else is eager to give him lots of money?

Zbo, as was said before, has some value but his defense makes it less

The story is they don't think ZBO takes less money to go somewhere else. Forgot which local guy tweeted that. I'd give Tony the veterans minimum, VC the same, and ZBO $5. Wouldn't fault VC going to Golden State.