(08-01-2017 05:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 04:44 PM)eagle9098 Wrote:  How many times have you seen a program that was on top, especially at our level, be mid level in recruiting rankings but have the best team?
Coaches go after guys they like in order to build and mold their team, and these rankings are based more on athletic ability than football player ability. BIg difference. Dont pay any attention to these rankings. The only ones you can actually look at are the top 10 and that doesnt always matter either. Look at programs like UGA who finish in the top 5 or 10 every year yet look what they do.

If any App State fan argues against that, the're arguing with a southern fan for the sake of arguing with a southern fan. This is what we preach. Coincidentally, we're first in recruiting at the moment according to the blah blah blah. Grain of salt.

What you dont get conf rankings have to be put into context of national rankings. If you are first in the conference but the last place team is only ten spots away then no big deal could be one or two players or a quantity thing. If you are first in the conference and the last place team is 20 spots behind then that is a huge gap and will show up on the field eventually if both team CONSISTENTY are that far apart. This rarely happens in the Belt except for a few teams at the top and bottom. We had a team a 77th ranked class then the next year at 105th that is not going to separate you from the log jam the Belt has in the middle.

(08-02-2017 12:43 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 05:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 04:44 PM)eagle9098 Wrote:  How many times have you seen a program that was on top, especially at our level, be mid level in recruiting rankings but have the best team?
Coaches go after guys they like in order to build and mold their team, and these rankings are based more on athletic ability than football player ability. BIg difference. Dont pay any attention to these rankings. The only ones you can actually look at are the top 10 and that doesnt always matter either. Look at programs like UGA who finish in the top 5 or 10 every year yet look what they do.

If any App State fan argues against that, the're arguing with a southern fan for the sake of arguing with a southern fan. This is what we preach. Coincidentally, we're first in recruiting at the moment according to the blah blah blah. Grain of salt.

What you dont get conf rankings have to be put into context of national rankings. If you are first in the conference but the last place team is only ten spots away then no big deal could be one or two players or a quantity thing. If you are first in the conference and the last place team is 20 spots behind then that is a huge gap and will show up on the field eventually if both team CONSISTENTY are that far apart. This rarely happens in the Belt except for a few teams at the top and bottom. We had a team a 77th ranked class then the next year at 105th that is not going to separate you from the log jam the Belt has in the middle.

I agree with this for the most part. Last year the SBC's star averages were between 76 and 79. The SEC was between 83 and 93. That's why the SBC is always competitive, but lower level SEC teams almost never beat the guys on top.

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(08-02-2017 12:43 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 05:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 04:44 PM)eagle9098 Wrote:  How many times have you seen a program that was on top, especially at our level, be mid level in recruiting rankings but have the best team?
Coaches go after guys they like in order to build and mold their team, and these rankings are based more on athletic ability than football player ability. BIg difference. Dont pay any attention to these rankings. The only ones you can actually look at are the top 10 and that doesnt always matter either. Look at programs like UGA who finish in the top 5 or 10 every year yet look what they do.

If any App State fan argues against that, the're arguing with a southern fan for the sake of arguing with a southern fan. This is what we preach. Coincidentally, we're first in recruiting at the moment according to the blah blah blah. Grain of salt.

What you dont get conf rankings have to be put into context of national rankings. If you are first in the conference but the last place team is only ten spots away then no big deal could be one or two players or a quantity thing. If you are first in the conference and the last place team is 20 spots behind then that is a huge gap and will show up on the field eventually if both team CONSISTENTY are that far apart. This rarely happens in the Belt except for a few teams at the top and bottom. We had a team a 77th ranked class then the next year at 105th that is not going to separate you from the log jam the Belt has in the middle.

Troutbummike pay no attention to this wanna be Phil Steele. He has only blown up arguments in his own mind. I've been following recruiting longer than this guy has been alive. I regularly talk to coaches and people who actually run recruiting sites. The guys doing the evualations will readily admit that due to the sheer numbers of players outside the high profile guys their rankings are mostly based on who has offered them

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(07-24-2017 12:39 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  We had a few commits this weekend that might help but as of today we are dead last in the conference. Still early but this staff is on track to due worse than last year...CTS is a horrible recruiter so far.

Just be patient.

Zanders, Campbell, Flemister, Wright, and Ajayi have scores on Rivals that are equivalent to .8111 and above on 247, so when their profiles are compiled all of their scores will go up. The others haven't been rated yet on other sites.

Regardless of the numbers they are given, their film impresses me.

(08-02-2017 01:24 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 12:43 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 05:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 04:44 PM)eagle9098 Wrote:  How many times have you seen a program that was on top, especially at our level, be mid level in recruiting rankings but have the best team?
Coaches go after guys they like in order to build and mold their team, and these rankings are based more on athletic ability than football player ability. BIg difference. Dont pay any attention to these rankings. The only ones you can actually look at are the top 10 and that doesnt always matter either. Look at programs like UGA who finish in the top 5 or 10 every year yet look what they do.

If any App State fan argues against that, the're arguing with a southern fan for the sake of arguing with a southern fan. This is what we preach. Coincidentally, we're first in recruiting at the moment according to the blah blah blah. Grain of salt.

What you dont get conf rankings have to be put into context of national rankings. If you are first in the conference but the last place team is only ten spots away then no big deal could be one or two players or a quantity thing. If you are first in the conference and the last place team is 20 spots behind then that is a huge gap and will show up on the field eventually if both team CONSISTENTY are that far apart. This rarely happens in the Belt except for a few teams at the top and bottom. We had a team a 77th ranked class then the next year at 105th that is not going to separate you from the log jam the Belt has in the middle.

Troutbummike pay no attention to this wanna be Phil Steele. He has only blown up arguments in his own mind. I've been following recruiting longer than this guy has been alive. I regularly talk to coaches and people who actually run recruiting sites. The guys doing the evualations will readily admit that due to the sheer numbers of players outside the high profile guys their rankings are mostly based on who has offered them

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Yeah, count on a good rival to argue for the sake of blah blah blah blahhhh. So meta.

(08-02-2017 01:24 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Troutbummike pay no attention to this wanna be Phil Steele. He has only blown up arguments in his own mind. I've been following recruiting longer than this guy has been alive. I regularly talk to coaches and people who actually run recruiting sites. The guys doing the evualations will readily admit that due to the sheer numbers of players outside the high profile guys their rankings are mostly based on who has offered them

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The more recruiting cycles and seasons into FBS we get, the more I start to believe this is true, and even if they claim they don't do that, it's difficult to believe that the list of offers of a player does not bias them.

I'm not professional scout, but I can see with my own eyes that NDSU's talent level is not lower than the least-talented FBS teams and I can see with my own eyes there's no significant talent gap between Arkansas State and UCF.

Oooooooh but the recruiting rankers don't care about FCS but they're very meticulous about doing G5 recruiting rankings!

(08-02-2017 01:01 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 12:43 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 05:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 04:44 PM)eagle9098 Wrote:  How many times have you seen a program that was on top, especially at our level, be mid level in recruiting rankings but have the best team?
Coaches go after guys they like in order to build and mold their team, and these rankings are based more on athletic ability than football player ability. BIg difference. Dont pay any attention to these rankings. The only ones you can actually look at are the top 10 and that doesnt always matter either. Look at programs like UGA who finish in the top 5 or 10 every year yet look what they do.

If any App State fan argues against that, the're arguing with a southern fan for the sake of arguing with a southern fan. This is what we preach. Coincidentally, we're first in recruiting at the moment according to the blah blah blah. Grain of salt.

What you dont get conf rankings have to be put into context of national rankings. If you are first in the conference but the last place team is only ten spots away then no big deal could be one or two players or a quantity thing. If you are first in the conference and the last place team is 20 spots behind then that is a huge gap and will show up on the field eventually if both team CONSISTENTY are that far apart. This rarely happens in the Belt except for a few teams at the top and bottom. We had a team a 77th ranked class then the next year at 105th that is not going to separate you from the log jam the Belt has in the middle.

I agree with this for the most part. Last year the SBC's star averages were between 76 and 79. The SEC was between 83 and 93. That's why the SBC is always competitive, but lower level SEC teams almost never beat the guys on top.

Thank you! I was beginning to think all hope was lost in the search for common sense. The only difference in conferences you will see like the Belt is the very top and very bottom overtime I am pretty sure ULM, Idaho and NMSU would be the lowest in team talent and they TYPICALLY finish at the bottom. Before someone brings up Idaho, they did not play App or ArkSt and three of their wins came from ULM, NMSU, a struggling TXST and an FCS. Their season has a lot to do with scheduling.

(08-02-2017 01:24 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 12:43 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 05:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 04:44 PM)eagle9098 Wrote:  How many times have you seen a program that was on top, especially at our level, be mid level in recruiting rankings but have the best team?
Coaches go after guys they like in order to build and mold their team, and these rankings are based more on athletic ability than football player ability. BIg difference. Dont pay any attention to these rankings. The only ones you can actually look at are the top 10 and that doesnt always matter either. Look at programs like UGA who finish in the top 5 or 10 every year yet look what they do.

If any App State fan argues against that, the're arguing with a southern fan for the sake of arguing with a southern fan. This is what we preach. Coincidentally, we're first in recruiting at the moment according to the blah blah blah. Grain of salt.

What you dont get conf rankings have to be put into context of national rankings. If you are first in the conference but the last place team is only ten spots away then no big deal could be one or two players or a quantity thing. If you are first in the conference and the last place team is 20 spots behind then that is a huge gap and will show up on the field eventually if both team CONSISTENTY are that far apart. This rarely happens in the Belt except for a few teams at the top and bottom. We had a team a 77th ranked class then the next year at 105th that is not going to separate you from the log jam the Belt has in the middle.

Troutbummike pay no attention to this wanna be Phil Steele. He has only blown up arguments in his own mind. I've been following recruiting longer than this guy has been alive. I regularly talk to coaches and people who actually run recruiting sites. The guys doing the evualations will readily admit that due to the sheer numbers of players outside the high profile guys their rankings are mostly based on who has offered them

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Following recruiting...lol. I also did not blow them up with opinion I did it with actual numbers from my own and countless articles that dispel the ignorance. No take off your shoes hill billy and come with some analysis like I did or get back to reading Goat Fancy. Yes then when the total team talent rankings come out for 2017 we will see how the majority of teams due in relation to their talent. Want to place any bets? If player rankings do not matter and they just go off offers, which is a lie, then you take the lowest recruit rated team in each conf and I'll take the highest one.

(08-02-2017 05:38 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 01:24 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  Troutbummike pay no attention to this wanna be Phil Steele. He has only blown up arguments in his own mind. I've been following recruiting longer than this guy has been alive. I regularly talk to coaches and people who actually run recruiting sites. The guys doing the evualations will readily admit that due to the sheer numbers of players outside the high profile guys their rankings are mostly based on who has offered them

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The more recruiting cycles and seasons into FBS we get, the more I start to believe this is true, and even if they claim they don't do that, it's difficult to believe that the list of offers of a player does not bias them.

I'm not professional scout, but I can see with my own eyes that NDSU's talent level is not lower than the least-talented FBS teams and I can see with my own eyes there's no significant talent gap between Arkansas State and UCF.

Oooooooh but the recruiting rankers don't care about FCS but they're very meticulous about doing G5 recruiting rankings!

Ahh yes the individual example....the tool of the fool. Yes NDSU has risen above what their rankings would indicate but 99.9% of the other FCS schools have not sooo...I guess it is all garbage.

They dont care about evaluating FCS talent because people dont care about FCS football. There are literally thousands of kids gets getting FBS offers and they are supposed to worry about a kid getting whose only offer is from Elon? If a soph or jr has not been evaluated and has three P5 offers dont you think he should be looked at versus a kid with a handful of FCS and DIV II offers? Lets see Nick Saban just offered this junior but that one senior just landed an offer from Mercer hmmmm which one should we get to first......

(08-02-2017 02:16 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 12:39 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  We had a few commits this weekend that might help but as of today we are dead last in the conference. Still early but this staff is on track to due worse than last year...CTS is a horrible recruiter so far.

Just be patient.

Zanders, Campbell, Flemister, Wright, and Ajayi have scores on Rivals that are equivalent to .8111 and above on 247, so when their profiles are compiled all of their scores will go up. The others haven't been rated yet on other sites.

Regardless of the numbers they are given, their film impresses me.

I was talking more in regards to the total team talent ranking for 2017 not our 2018 class that will get done wayyy down the road. Our 2017 recruits rankings are not linked for some reason yet. For example Grant Walker was a three star but has nothing for the total team talent ranking. I guess they are waiting to see who actually makes the rosters. This is our total team talent page for 2017 but you see a lot of kids with their rating missing and there is no list for 2017 yet. Kind of buggy as when you click on past years for a team it just shows who is on the team now. It is only good for the current year. I wish they would fix that. ATL Jag any word on the total team talent thing being up to date any time soon?

http://247sports.com/Team/Georgia-Southern-355/Roster

(08-03-2017 07:17 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 01:01 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 12:43 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 05:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 04:44 PM)eagle9098 Wrote:  How many times have you seen a program that was on top, especially at our level, be mid level in recruiting rankings but have the best team?
Coaches go after guys they like in order to build and mold their team, and these rankings are based more on athletic ability than football player ability. BIg difference. Dont pay any attention to these rankings. The only ones you can actually look at are the top 10 and that doesnt always matter either. Look at programs like UGA who finish in the top 5 or 10 every year yet look what they do.

If any App State fan argues against that, the're arguing with a southern fan for the sake of arguing with a southern fan. This is what we preach. Coincidentally, we're first in recruiting at the moment according to the blah blah blah. Grain of salt.

What you dont get conf rankings have to be put into context of national rankings. If you are first in the conference but the last place team is only ten spots away then no big deal could be one or two players or a quantity thing. If you are first in the conference and the last place team is 20 spots behind then that is a huge gap and will show up on the field eventually if both team CONSISTENTY are that far apart. This rarely happens in the Belt except for a few teams at the top and bottom. We had a team a 77th ranked class then the next year at 105th that is not going to separate you from the log jam the Belt has in the middle.

I agree with this for the most part. Last year the SBC's star averages were between 76 and 79. The SEC was between 83 and 93. That's why the SBC is always competitive, but lower level SEC teams almost never beat the guys on top.

Thank you! I was beginning to think all hope was lost in the search for common sense. The only difference in conferences you will see like the Belt is the very top and very bottom overtime I am pretty sure ULM, Idaho and NMSU would be the lowest in team talent and they TYPICALLY finish at the bottom. Before someone brings up Idaho, they did not play App or ArkSt and three of their wins came from ULM, NMSU, a struggling TXST and an FCS. Their season has a lot to do with scheduling.

We actually did play Idaho. Beat them 37-19.

(08-03-2017 07:17 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 01:01 PM)TroyFootball05 Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 12:43 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 05:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 04:44 PM)eagle9098 Wrote:  How many times have you seen a program that was on top, especially at our level, be mid level in recruiting rankings but have the best team?
Coaches go after guys they like in order to build and mold their team, and these rankings are based more on athletic ability than football player ability. BIg difference. Dont pay any attention to these rankings. The only ones you can actually look at are the top 10 and that doesnt always matter either. Look at programs like UGA who finish in the top 5 or 10 every year yet look what they do.

If any App State fan argues against that, the're arguing with a southern fan for the sake of arguing with a southern fan. This is what we preach. Coincidentally, we're first in recruiting at the moment according to the blah blah blah. Grain of salt.

What you dont get conf rankings have to be put into context of national rankings. If you are first in the conference but the last place team is only ten spots away then no big deal could be one or two players or a quantity thing. If you are first in the conference and the last place team is 20 spots behind then that is a huge gap and will show up on the field eventually if both team CONSISTENTY are that far apart. This rarely happens in the Belt except for a few teams at the top and bottom. We had a team a 77th ranked class then the next year at 105th that is not going to separate you from the log jam the Belt has in the middle.

I agree with this for the most part. Last year the SBC's star averages were between 76 and 79. The SEC was between 83 and 93. That's why the SBC is always competitive, but lower level SEC teams almost never beat the guys on top.

Thank you! I was beginning to think all hope was lost in the search for common sense. The only difference in conferences you will see like the Belt is the very top and very bottom overtime I am pretty sure ULM, Idaho and NMSU would be the lowest in team talent and they TYPICALLY finish at the bottom. Before someone brings up Idaho, they did not play App or ArkSt and three of their wins came from ULM, NMSU, a struggling TXST and an FCS. Their season has a lot to do with scheduling.

FYI ULM doesn't consistently finish near the bottom. We have consistently been a middle of the pack school and we got Rivals highest rated recruiting class last year. And I would argue we have taken down more name P5 teams than anyone else in the conference. Viator is a heck of a coach and I think you will start seeing us competing for the West division title on a regular basis. We are definitely trending up.

(08-03-2017 07:40 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 02:16 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 12:39 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  We had a few commits this weekend that might help but as of today we are dead last in the conference. Still early but this staff is on track to due worse than last year...CTS is a horrible recruiter so far.

Just be patient.

Zanders, Campbell, Flemister, Wright, and Ajayi have scores on Rivals that are equivalent to .8111 and above on 247, so when their profiles are compiled all of their scores will go up. The others haven't been rated yet on other sites.

Regardless of the numbers they are given, their film impresses me.

I was talking more in regards to the total team talent ranking for 2017 not our 2018 class that will get done wayyy down the road. Our 2017 recruits rankings are not linked for some reason yet. For example Grant Walker was a three star but has nothing for the total team talent ranking. I guess they are waiting to see who actually makes the rosters. This is our total team talent page for 2017 but you see a lot of kids with their rating missing and there is no list for 2017 yet. Kind of buggy as when you click on past years for a team it just shows who is on the team now. It is only good for the current year. I wish they would fix that. ATL Jag any word on the total team talent thing being up to date any time soon?

http://247sports.com/Team/Georgia-Southern-355/Roster

If I hear anything about team talent rankings, I'll pass it on. Obviously the Scout merger is taking a lot of the tech guys' time right now.
To address some earlier points in this thread, G5 players are being evaluated far more thoroughly now than they were just a few years ago. Yes, offers are certainly going to draw attention to recruits, but the explosion in offers (Iowa State has offered almost 400 2018 recruits!) means that the evaluators are giving real attention to players up and down the spectrum.

(08-03-2017 10:02 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 07:40 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 02:16 PM)TrueBlueAlum Wrote:  

(07-24-2017 12:39 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  We had a few commits this weekend that might help but as of today we are dead last in the conference. Still early but this staff is on track to due worse than last year...CTS is a horrible recruiter so far.

Just be patient.

Zanders, Campbell, Flemister, Wright, and Ajayi have scores on Rivals that are equivalent to .8111 and above on 247, so when their profiles are compiled all of their scores will go up. The others haven't been rated yet on other sites.

Regardless of the numbers they are given, their film impresses me.

I was talking more in regards to the total team talent ranking for 2017 not our 2018 class that will get done wayyy down the road. Our 2017 recruits rankings are not linked for some reason yet. For example Grant Walker was a three star but has nothing for the total team talent ranking. I guess they are waiting to see who actually makes the rosters. This is our total team talent page for 2017 but you see a lot of kids with their rating missing and there is no list for 2017 yet. Kind of buggy as when you click on past years for a team it just shows who is on the team now. It is only good for the current year. I wish they would fix that. ATL Jag any word on the total team talent thing being up to date any time soon?

http://247sports.com/Team/Georgia-Southern-355/Roster

If I hear anything about team talent rankings, I'll pass it on. Obviously the Scout merger is taking a lot of the tech guys' time right now.
To address some earlier points in this thread, G5 players are being evaluated far more thoroughly now than they were just a few years ago. Yes, offers are certainly going to draw attention to recruits, but the explosion in offers (Iowa State has offered almost 400 2018 recruits!) means that the evaluators are giving real attention to players up and down the spectrum.

At an obvious disadvantage to the student athletes themselves.

(08-03-2017 07:23 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 01:24 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 12:43 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 05:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 04:44 PM)eagle9098 Wrote:  How many times have you seen a program that was on top, especially at our level, be mid level in recruiting rankings but have the best team?
Coaches go after guys they like in order to build and mold their team, and these rankings are based more on athletic ability than football player ability. BIg difference. Dont pay any attention to these rankings. The only ones you can actually look at are the top 10 and that doesnt always matter either. Look at programs like UGA who finish in the top 5 or 10 every year yet look what they do.

If any App State fan argues against that, the're arguing with a southern fan for the sake of arguing with a southern fan. This is what we preach. Coincidentally, we're first in recruiting at the moment according to the blah blah blah. Grain of salt.

What you dont get conf rankings have to be put into context of national rankings. If you are first in the conference but the last place team is only ten spots away then no big deal could be one or two players or a quantity thing. If you are first in the conference and the last place team is 20 spots behind then that is a huge gap and will show up on the field eventually if both team CONSISTENTY are that far apart. This rarely happens in the Belt except for a few teams at the top and bottom. We had a team a 77th ranked class then the next year at 105th that is not going to separate you from the log jam the Belt has in the middle.

Troutbummike pay no attention to this wanna be Phil Steele. He has only blown up arguments in his own mind. I've been following recruiting longer than this guy has been alive. I regularly talk to coaches and people who actually run recruiting sites. The guys doing the evualations will readily admit that due to the sheer numbers of players outside the high profile guys their rankings are mostly based on who has offered them

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Following recruiting...lol. I also did not blow them up with opinion I did it with actual numbers from my own and countless articles that dispel the ignorance. No take off your shoes hill billy and come with some analysis like I did or get back to reading Goat Fancy. Yes then when the total team talent rankings come out for 2017 we will see how the majority of teams due in relation to their talent. Want to place any bets? If player rankings do not matter and they just go off offers, which is a lie, then you take the lowest recruit rated team in each conf and I'll take the highest one.

LOL. Hillbilly... If you only knew... Had a good friend who is a GSU fan warn me about you. You really haven't ever been wrong have you? Testosterone has made a fool.out of many a young man. Guess I should have listened.

Most of the guys evualating players are self proclaimed experts. Few, if any, have coaching or playing experience past Saturday Morning Rec League. They don't have a clue what to look for. But that shouldn't come ss a surprise since most of these guys think they know more than every coach in the land. All the spreadsheets & formulas in the world can't beat the evaluation by an experienced coach.

Oh, I forgot App is an exception.

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(08-03-2017 01:58 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 07:23 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 01:24 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 12:43 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 05:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  If any App State fan argues against that, the're arguing with a southern fan for the sake of arguing with a southern fan. This is what we preach. Coincidentally, we're first in recruiting at the moment according to the blah blah blah. Grain of salt.

What you dont get conf rankings have to be put into context of national rankings. If you are first in the conference but the last place team is only ten spots away then no big deal could be one or two players or a quantity thing. If you are first in the conference and the last place team is 20 spots behind then that is a huge gap and will show up on the field eventually if both team CONSISTENTY are that far apart. This rarely happens in the Belt except for a few teams at the top and bottom. We had a team a 77th ranked class then the next year at 105th that is not going to separate you from the log jam the Belt has in the middle.

Troutbummike pay no attention to this wanna be Phil Steele. He has only blown up arguments in his own mind. I've been following recruiting longer than this guy has been alive. I regularly talk to coaches and people who actually run recruiting sites. The guys doing the evualations will readily admit that due to the sheer numbers of players outside the high profile guys their rankings are mostly based on who has offered them

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Following recruiting...lol. I also did not blow them up with opinion I did it with actual numbers from my own and countless articles that dispel the ignorance. No take off your shoes hill billy and come with some analysis like I did or get back to reading Goat Fancy. Yes then when the total team talent rankings come out for 2017 we will see how the majority of teams due in relation to their talent. Want to place any bets? If player rankings do not matter and they just go off offers, which is a lie, then you take the lowest recruit rated team in each conf and I'll take the highest one.

LOL. Hillbilly... If you only knew... Had a good friend who is a GSU fan warn me about you. You really haven't ever been wrong have you? Testosterone has made a fool.out of many a young man. Guess I should have listened.

Most of the guys evualating players are self proclaimed experts. Few, if any, have coaching or playing experience past Saturday Morning Rec League. They don't have a clue what to look for. But that shouldn't come ss a surprise since most of these guys think they know more than every coach in the land. All the spreadsheets & formulas in the world can't beat the evaluation by an experienced coach.

Oh, I forgot App is an exception.

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The recruiting industry has been around long enough now that any evaluator whose rankings have not been consistent with player's future performance have been weeded out. Judging a football player's abilities doesn't require any special insider secret sauce, just experience, knowledge and the willingness to put in the time.

Number of 3 star players signed by App in 2013/14/15/16 classes - 19
Number remaining entering the 2017 season - 8
Number making significant starts - 1

Those 3 star guys really make your team a championship contender.

2018 commits
3 star QB no FBS offers
2 star LB 12 FBS offers.

(08-03-2017 01:58 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 07:23 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 01:24 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 12:43 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-01-2017 05:06 PM)troutbummike Wrote:  If any App State fan argues against that, the're arguing with a southern fan for the sake of arguing with a southern fan. This is what we preach. Coincidentally, we're first in recruiting at the moment according to the blah blah blah. Grain of salt.

What you dont get conf rankings have to be put into context of national rankings. If you are first in the conference but the last place team is only ten spots away then no big deal could be one or two players or a quantity thing. If you are first in the conference and the last place team is 20 spots behind then that is a huge gap and will show up on the field eventually if both team CONSISTENTY are that far apart. This rarely happens in the Belt except for a few teams at the top and bottom. We had a team a 77th ranked class then the next year at 105th that is not going to separate you from the log jam the Belt has in the middle.

Troutbummike pay no attention to this wanna be Phil Steele. He has only blown up arguments in his own mind. I've been following recruiting longer than this guy has been alive. I regularly talk to coaches and people who actually run recruiting sites. The guys doing the evualations will readily admit that due to the sheer numbers of players outside the high profile guys their rankings are mostly based on who has offered them

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Following recruiting...lol. I also did not blow them up with opinion I did it with actual numbers from my own and countless articles that dispel the ignorance. No take off your shoes hill billy and come with some analysis like I did or get back to reading Goat Fancy. Yes then when the total team talent rankings come out for 2017 we will see how the majority of teams due in relation to their talent. Want to place any bets? If player rankings do not matter and they just go off offers, which is a lie, then you take the lowest recruit rated team in each conf and I'll take the highest one.

LOL. Hillbilly... If you only knew... Had a good friend who is a GSU fan warn me about you. You really haven't ever been wrong have you? Testosterone has made a fool.out of many a young man. Guess I should have listened.

Most of the guys evualating players are self proclaimed experts. Few, if any, have coaching or playing experience past Saturday Morning Rec League. They don't have a clue what to look for. But that shouldn't come ss a surprise since most of these guys think they know more than every coach in the land. All the spreadsheets & formulas in the world can't beat the evaluation by an experienced coach.

Oh, I forgot App is an exception.

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Lots of talk talk talk and no articles or analysis.....and App is the exception if you actually take the time to look at the results of teams around them in the total team talent ranking but that would take effort and willingness to admit you are dead wrong which you are. You seem more like the regurgitate crap I heard ten years ago type of fanatic moron rather than actually looking stuff up or educating yourself on something. I am wrong quite a bit but not about this will I will show with spending about ten minutes on a spread sheet...I know that is a lot of effort rather than spouting regurgitated mindless garbage that people like to repeat just to do it. Ill update this post once I run through the bottom tier total team ranked teams.

(08-03-2017 03:57 PM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 01:58 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 07:23 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 01:24 PM)AppManDG Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 12:43 PM)JCGSU Wrote:  What you dont get conf rankings have to be put into context of national rankings. If you are first in the conference but the last place team is only ten spots away then no big deal could be one or two players or a quantity thing. If you are first in the conference and the last place team is 20 spots behind then that is a huge gap and will show up on the field eventually if both team CONSISTENTY are that far apart. This rarely happens in the Belt except for a few teams at the top and bottom. We had a team a 77th ranked class then the next year at 105th that is not going to separate you from the log jam the Belt has in the middle.

Troutbummike pay no attention to this wanna be Phil Steele. He has only blown up arguments in his own mind. I've been following recruiting longer than this guy has been alive. I regularly talk to coaches and people who actually run recruiting sites. The guys doing the evualations will readily admit that due to the sheer numbers of players outside the high profile guys their rankings are mostly based on who has offered them

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Following recruiting...lol. I also did not blow them up with opinion I did it with actual numbers from my own and countless articles that dispel the ignorance. No take off your shoes hill billy and come with some analysis like I did or get back to reading Goat Fancy. Yes then when the total team talent rankings come out for 2017 we will see how the majority of teams due in relation to their talent. Want to place any bets? If player rankings do not matter and they just go off offers, which is a lie, then you take the lowest recruit rated team in each conf and I'll take the highest one.

LOL. Hillbilly... If you only knew... Had a good friend who is a GSU fan warn me about you. You really haven't ever been wrong have you? Testosterone has made a fool.out of many a young man. Guess I should have listened.

Most of the guys evualating players are self proclaimed experts. Few, if any, have coaching or playing experience past Saturday Morning Rec League. They don't have a clue what to look for. But that shouldn't come ss a surprise since most of these guys think they know more than every coach in the land. All the spreadsheets & formulas in the world can't beat the evaluation by an experienced coach.

Oh, I forgot App is an exception.

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The recruiting industry has been around long enough now that any evaluator whose rankings have not been consistent with player's future performance have been weeded out. Judging a football player's abilities doesn't require any special insider secret sauce, just experience, knowledge and the willingness to put in the time.

No no no you have to be Nick Saban to know a 6'5" 350 kid that moves like a LB will make a really good DT..everybody knows that. Also you know there was that one kid that one time that was not even rated and made the NFL and oh yeah that one team that beat the P5 team that one time...sooooo