(06-21-2017 10:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 07:15 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 06:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I am surprise they did not look at Bellarmine? They are better situated to move to the Horizon. I think they do offer all the sports as well.

As for West Texas A&M? They do still have rapid fan base that could go higher if they move to D1. Every Texas schools still have better fan support than some MAC schools. The Lone Star conference alone tells it alone as a better football attendance conference for football behind the HBCU conferences. One of the West Texas A&M's home game, if I remember right, had more than 22,000 in the 20,000 seat stadium. That is more than what New Mexico State could get lately.

When did West Texas A&M get 22,000 for a game DavidSt??????? Who was the opponent? Last year? The year before? Back up your statement that West Texas A&M gets better attendence than MAC schools or New Mexico St.

http://www.gobuffsgo.com/sports/2010/5/2...aspx?id=35

Quote:But the largest crowd to ever pack Kimbrough Memorial occurred on Oct. 13, 2007, when 23, 276 fans witnessed watched WT defeat Eastern New Mexico, 62-31.

That was 10 years ago. Both games in 2005 and 2007 were against Eastern New Mexico. It could even get shattered if they take on New Mexico State in football. Their stadium could be an FBS ready now than some others. They could get that much if they do move to D1. You have never seen a D2 school get over 20,000 fans for a game in recent years.

Two games 10 and 12 years ago mean nothing now. A lot has changed in that time. WTAMU is not going to be D1-A and New Mexico State is not going to play there. Those attendance numbers are nice but one was homecoming and both were against an opponent from only 108 miles away. What happened the rest of the season?

Year. G - tot att - avg
2005. 6 - 78,535 - 13,089 (5 games, 11,108 avg)
2007. 7 - 86,950 - 12,421 (6 games, 10,612 avg)

(06-22-2017 01:24 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 10:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 07:15 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 06:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I am surprise they did not look at Bellarmine? They are better situated to move to the Horizon. I think they do offer all the sports as well.

As for West Texas A&M? They do still have rapid fan base that could go higher if they move to D1. Every Texas schools still have better fan support than some MAC schools. The Lone Star conference alone tells it alone as a better football attendance conference for football behind the HBCU conferences. One of the West Texas A&M's home game, if I remember right, had more than 22,000 in the 20,000 seat stadium. That is more than what New Mexico State could get lately.

When did West Texas A&M get 22,000 for a game DavidSt??????? Who was the opponent? Last year? The year before? Back up your statement that West Texas A&M gets better attendence than MAC schools or New Mexico St.

http://www.gobuffsgo.com/sports/2010/5/2...aspx?id=35

Quote:But the largest crowd to ever pack Kimbrough Memorial occurred on Oct. 13, 2007, when 23, 276 fans witnessed watched WT defeat Eastern New Mexico, 62-31.

That was 10 years ago. Both games in 2005 and 2007 were against Eastern New Mexico. It could even get shattered if they take on New Mexico State in football. Their stadium could be an FBS ready now than some others. They could get that much if they do move to D1. You have never seen a D2 school get over 20,000 fans for a game in recent years.

Two games 10 and 12 years ago mean nothing now. A lot has changed in that time. WTAMU is not going to be D1-A and New Mexico State is not going to play there. Those attendance numbers are nice but one was homecoming and both were against an opponent from only 108 miles away. What happened the rest of the season?

Year. G - tot att - avg
2005. 6 - 78,535 - 13,089 (5 games, 11,108 avg)
2007. 7 - 86,950 - 12,421 (6 games, 10,612 avg)

Still better than some of the MAC schools, and others that don't bring fans.

I would be very surprised if it's GCU. Phoenix is a loooong way out of the Horizon footprint.

(06-22-2017 01:46 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I would be very surprised if it's GCU. Phoenix is a loooong way out of the Horizon footprint.

That is what I am trying to figure out. Unless this is a package deal(I do not see NMSU/Chicago State/NAU, so the options become), or a HUGE travel subsidy, I just do not see to make a Island like that.....

(06-22-2017 01:42 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 01:24 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 10:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 07:15 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 06:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  I am surprise they did not look at Bellarmine? They are better situated to move to the Horizon. I think they do offer all the sports as well.

As for West Texas A&M? They do still have rapid fan base that could go higher if they move to D1. Every Texas schools still have better fan support than some MAC schools. The Lone Star conference alone tells it alone as a better football attendance conference for football behind the HBCU conferences. One of the West Texas A&M's home game, if I remember right, had more than 22,000 in the 20,000 seat stadium. That is more than what New Mexico State could get lately.

When did West Texas A&M get 22,000 for a game DavidSt??????? Who was the opponent? Last year? The year before? Back up your statement that West Texas A&M gets better attendence than MAC schools or New Mexico St.

http://www.gobuffsgo.com/sports/2010/5/2...aspx?id=35

Quote:But the largest crowd to ever pack Kimbrough Memorial occurred on Oct. 13, 2007, when 23, 276 fans witnessed watched WT defeat Eastern New Mexico, 62-31.

That was 10 years ago. Both games in 2005 and 2007 were against Eastern New Mexico. It could even get shattered if they take on New Mexico State in football. Their stadium could be an FBS ready now than some others. They could get that much if they do move to D1. You have never seen a D2 school get over 20,000 fans for a game in recent years.

Two games 10 and 12 years ago mean nothing now. A lot has changed in that time. WTAMU is not going to be D1-A and New Mexico State is not going to play there. Those attendance numbers are nice but one was homecoming and both were against an opponent from only 108 miles away. What happened the rest of the season?

Year. G - tot att - avg
2005. 6 - 78,535 - 13,089 (5 games, 11,108 avg)
2007. 7 - 86,950 - 12,421 (6 games, 10,612 avg)

Still better than some of the MAC schools, and others that don't bring fans.

Yeah yeah, we get it. Our attendance blows

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(06-22-2017 01:06 AM)Chuck_A Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 07:08 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  The question is not being answered, I'm pretty much asking if the Horizon basically looks like the Summit from 10 years ago?

No! Ten years ago the Horizon League was a League that had an average RPI ranking of 12 while the Summit was farther down. The HL had two teams in the Dance: Wright State and Butler. The Summit had Oral Roberts make it.

The HL had Butler, Wright State, UIC, Detroit, Milwaukee, Green Bay, Cleveland State, Loyola and Youngstown State. The Summit League had Oral Roberts, Valpo, Oakland, Southern Utah, Centenery, Western Illinois, UMKC and IUPUI.

Oakland and Valpo were the only two teams from the Summit 10 years ago that moved to the HL.

The question's been answered, not that you grasped the point ayways.

(06-21-2017 10:24 PM)indianasniff Wrote:  Fort Wayne is splitting. Purdue Fort Wayne will hold the D 1 sports. Indiana will house the medical degrees but their students cannot participate in D 1 sports

You've aptly described the misunderstanding that I believe the author of the Detroit News article shares.

Fort Wayne is not splitting. IU's medical school, university teaching hospital, and medical research facilities are all located in Indianpolis. None are located in Fort Wayne. So there's nothing to split on the Fort Wayne campus.

There might be something to split off on the Indy campus, but at this time that campus hasn't officially changed from being IU-PU. But I would assume that is coming in the future, as part of the deal to convert Fort Wayne to entirely a branch campus of the Purdue system.

So that would mean in the future, you will probably have:

Purdue system: main campus West Lafayette, branch campus Fort Wayne, other branch campuses, branch campus Indy
IU system: main campus Bloomington, medical/professional/graduate campus Indy, other branch campuses (similar to how U of Maryland is split between College Park and Baltimore)

(06-22-2017 01:46 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  I would be very surprised if it's GCU. Phoenix is a loooong way out of the Horizon footprint.

(06-22-2017 01:52 AM)lance99 Wrote:  That is what I am trying to figure out. Unless this is a package deal(I do not see NMSU/Chicago State/NAU, so the options become), or a HUGE travel subsidy, I just do not see to make a Island like that.....

If I was the Horizon, I'd take them for everything they're worth. If they want in the Horizon that bad ... then they can pay for every conference plane trip out to Phoenix, for every sport!

Div 1 article
http://www.journalgazette.net/news/local...fort-wayne
Verbatim: Purdue, IU trustees complete Fort Wayne realignment agreements
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20...19866/1196

Since I am in Fort Wayne and many of you are not, thought I would post these

DavidSt loves WT. This is nothing new.

Could WT be a good FCS program? Sure, but they need other regional schools to make the jump with them. The magic behind the Lone Star Conference is that it a bus league filled with other Texas schools. Much like the SWC days of past, you could follow your team to every road game without much fuss. The proximity makes for bad blood. Putting them in a league with Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois schools just to get to D1 doesn't make them any better.

WT on an island is going to be a bad fit. WT in the Southland is a bad fit. Rival ACU is there, but everyone else is in the eastern half of the state. There is a dearth of FCS football playing conferences west of the Mississippi. If they found a way to move the entire conference up OR convinced the WAC to spin up an eastern FCS football division (with western schools + ACU from the Southland + UTRGV's new program), maybe they could do it

(06-22-2017 11:17 AM)indianasniff Wrote:  Div 1 article
http://www.journalgazette.net/news/local...fort-wayne
Verbatim: Purdue, IU trustees complete Fort Wayne realignment agreements
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20...19866/1196

Since I am in Fort Wayne and many of you are not, thought I would post these

Thank you very much for providing the links. I was wrong that there will be no IU Fort Wayne ..... which is absurd. But on the other hand, I do have sympathy for faculty of IU who (selfishly) don't want to leave Fort Wayne area, now that they have roots down. Hopefully IU Fort Wayne will be closed in the future, and all new health sciences students and faculty within IU will start up at either Bloomington or Indy, moving forward.

That said ... the post I was originally responding to was using "splitting" in a manner that implied Fort Wayne was breaking in half and thus was losing a vast amount of resources to be able to afford a move to the Horizon League. That, was and still is bunk. It might be losing a few dozen faculty, and a few hundred students, but the vast majority of the colleges at the former IPFW are going to be under PUFW. Probably why IU wanted out in the first place ... why pay half the costs of the campus when it doesn't need a presence in FW anyway and has ample facilities in Bloomington and Indy?

(06-22-2017 01:54 AM)Stay Cool Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 01:42 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 01:24 AM)AZcats Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 10:37 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 07:15 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  When did West Texas A&M get 22,000 for a game DavidSt??????? Who was the opponent? Last year? The year before? Back up your statement that West Texas A&M gets better attendence than MAC schools or New Mexico St.

http://www.gobuffsgo.com/sports/2010/5/2...aspx?id=35

Quote:But the largest crowd to ever pack Kimbrough Memorial occurred on Oct. 13, 2007, when 23, 276 fans witnessed watched WT defeat Eastern New Mexico, 62-31.

That was 10 years ago. Both games in 2005 and 2007 were against Eastern New Mexico. It could even get shattered if they take on New Mexico State in football. Their stadium could be an FBS ready now than some others. They could get that much if they do move to D1. You have never seen a D2 school get over 20,000 fans for a game in recent years.

Two games 10 and 12 years ago mean nothing now. A lot has changed in that time. WTAMU is not going to be D1-A and New Mexico State is not going to play there. Those attendance numbers are nice but one was homecoming and both were against an opponent from only 108 miles away. What happened the rest of the season?

Year. G - tot att - avg
2005. 6 - 78,535 - 13,089 (5 games, 11,108 avg)
2007. 7 - 86,950 - 12,421 (6 games, 10,612 avg)

Still better than some of the MAC schools, and others that don't bring fans.

Yeah yeah, we get it. Our attendance blows

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West Texas is averaging around 7K last few years. So no, not better than a MAC school. (Well, maybe every other year at EMU).

FWIW, there's an Illinois State fan posting on the Horizon & MVC boards that it's Murray State for this year and that the Horizon indicated to Fort Wayne & IUPUI they will be added as 11/12 next year. He said his source is from within Fort Wayne and he's not sure what Murray is doing with Football.

Double checked his posting history and he isn't a troll, so who knows. I find this hard to believe.

(06-22-2017 02:31 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  FWIW, there's an Illinois State fan posting on the Horizon & MVC boards that it's Murray State for this year and that the Horizon indicated to Fort Wayne & IUPUI they will be added as 11/12 next year. He said his source is from within Fort Wayne and he's not sure what Murray is doing with Football.

Double checked his posting history and he isn't a troll, so who knows. I find this hard to believe.

Horizon has a board?

(06-22-2017 02:31 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  FWIW, there's an Illinois State fan posting on the Horizon & MVC boards that it's Murray State for this year and that the Horizon indicated to Fort Wayne & IUPUI they will be added as 11/12 next year. He said his source is from within Fort Wayne and he's not sure what Murray is doing with Football.

Double checked his posting history and he isn't a troll, so who knows. I find this hard to believe.

I find it hard to believe that this
1) is highly unlikely given Murray State has football; and
2) is a steal right from under the MVC's nose.

(06-22-2017 02:31 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  FWIW, there's an Illinois State fan posting on the Horizon & MVC boards that it's Murray State for this year and that the Horizon indicated to Fort Wayne & IUPUI they will be added as 11/12 next year. He said his source is from within Fort Wayne and he's not sure what Murray is doing with Football.

Double checked his posting history and he isn't a troll, so who knows. I find this hard to believe.

He has 2 posts total on the board.

(06-22-2017 02:31 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  FWIW, there's an Illinois State fan posting on the Horizon & MVC boards that it's Murray State for this year and that the Horizon indicated to Fort Wayne & IUPUI they will be added as 11/12 next year. He said his source is from within Fort Wayne and he's not sure what Murray is doing with Football.

Double checked his posting history and he isn't a troll, so who knows. I find this hard to believe.

The MVC has said it will expand to 12. Murray St maybe puts pressure on the MVC to act sooner. Murray St want a better basketball league and the Horizon is better than the OVC. Murray St also wants big Kentucky media watching it, and the Horizon now has N Kentucky, which bring Cincinnati-Covington in. The travel partners wouldn't work out that we'll until IPFW and IUPUI are added, as UIC and Murray would be temporary partners.

thing that I think is interesting and why there's some legs to this IMO is that we've not heard a denial from the Horizon at all. If there was nothing to this, we would have seen it denied pretty much immediately.

(06-22-2017 02:34 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 02:31 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  FWIW, there's an Illinois State fan posting on the Horizon & MVC boards that it's Murray State for this year and that the Horizon indicated to Fort Wayne & IUPUI they will be added as 11/12 next year. He said his source is from within Fort Wayne and he's not sure what Murray is doing with Football.

Double checked his posting history and he isn't a troll, so who knows. I find this hard to believe.

Horizon has a board?

Yeah. http://horizonleaguefans.freeforums.net

(06-22-2017 01:07 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  DavidSt loves WT. This is nothing new.

Could WT be a good FCS program? Sure, but they need other regional schools to make the jump with them. The magic behind the Lone Star Conference is that it a bus league filled with other Texas schools. Much like the SWC days of past, you could follow your team to every road game without much fuss. The proximity makes for bad blood. Putting them in a league with Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, Illinois schools just to get to D1 doesn't make them any better.

WT on an island is going to be a bad fit. WT in the Southland is a bad fit. Rival ACU is there, but everyone else is in the eastern half of the state. There is a dearth of FCS football playing conferences west of the Mississippi. If they found a way to move the entire conference up OR convinced the WAC to spin up an eastern FCS football division (with western schools + ACU from the Southland + UTRGV's new program), maybe they could do it

West Texas A&M
Midwestern State
Angelo State
UTPB
Texas A&M-Commerce
Texas A&M-Kingsville
Tarleton State

All seems to want to be FBS some day. Eastern New Mexico might some day. Western New Mexico may go back to RMAC.
Colorado State-Pueblo screams FCS one day and maybe New Mexico Highlands.

WAC FCS football:
West Texas A&M
Angelo State
Midwestern State
Tarleton State
Texas A&M-Kingsville
Texas A&M-Commerce
UTPB
UTRGV
Colorado State-Pueblo
Eastern New Mexico?
New Mexico Highlands?
Grand Canyon might add football.
Utah Valley mentioned they want to add football.

Could be a 13 conference football. But, they could trade Incarnate Word and Abilene Christian to be in the WAC and southland could have Tarleton State and Texas A&M-Kingsville.
University of Texas at Tyler, a D3, are thinking of adding football, could join the Lone Star Conference in a few years, and might join the others at the FCS level. The whole state of Texas does have a lot of good talent, and Texas seems to want more schools up at the D1 level to help keep kids from going outside of the state.
A couple of Lone Star schools could be a target for FBS down the road because of where they are at.

West Texas A&M -Amarello
Angelo State-San Angelo
Midwestern State-Wichita Falls
Tarleton State-Dallas area
UTPB-Odessa-Midland
Southland to FBS
Abilene Christian-Abilene
Lamar-Beaumont

Stu, where you at??

Yesterday you said we'd know by today that GCU had accepted Horizon invite?? Well, I guess it's still only 3pm in PHX ...

But now rumors of Murray St?? I certainly didn't see that, granted it's just an internet rumor. But I'm guessing you didn't see that either!