(07-01-2017 05:36 PM)panite Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 04:48 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 03:31 PM)panite Wrote:  

(07-01-2017 04:06 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(06-30-2017 01:49 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  No P5 school is joining the AA. The only way the AAC gets a P5 under its banner is to build one. If a couple of AAC schools have 50-60K averages and the AAC as a whole has an average attendance of 40K---I think the AAC would likely be treated much more like a P5 in terms of its TV deal and it's CFP/Bowl access. You can't add your way to those metrics. You have to grow the organically and hope they don't get poached.

There won't be any building of anything. If you aren't already in the club, you aren't getting in minus a few stray members like Utah and Louisville. The majors look the same as they did 20 years ago when the SWC broke apart give or take a few, like Temple, Utah and Louisville.

This isn't about merit but old money versus new money. The only way the AAC joins the club is if the Big 12 implodes and the refugees join the better half of the AAC. Assuming it's the lesser half, here's what it may look like:

11 or 12 of these

Baylor
Cincinnati
East Carolina
Houston
Iowa State
Memphis
UCF
UConn
South Florida
Temple
TCU
West Virginia

Or minus 1 plus

Navy

Wichita State olympics

And at that point, is that still the AAC? Maybe you can throw feelers out to see if Boise and SDSU were interested. But seriously, it's not likely to happen, on any front proposed in this post.

It will be more like the best of the AAC joining the leftovers from the B-12 in the B-12 to make it really the B-12 gain with 12 schools. In the end Texas and Oklahoma come to their senses and realize it is better to be king of their conference (the B-12) with an easier path to the National Championship through the current playoff system. The conference relents and goes to 12 at least conference schools to equal the PAC-12 in number and with Texas and Oklahoma as the anchors of the conference, the conference negotiates another TV megadeal equaling the other conferences through ESPN and other networks to cover the 2-4 new B-12 members. If two schools are chosen it will be BYU and Cinn, or Cinn and UCONN (my opinion). If 4 schools are added they look at BYU (West), Cinn (Midwest), UConn (NE), and a Florida school (SE). If BYU gives the B-12 a problem in negotiations for additional schools the B-12 just moves to Eastern TV markets with Cinn, UCONN, and both UCF and USF to a hold in Florida and Florida recruiting along with the strong recruiting the conference has in Texas.

The remaining AAC schools will have to reload again with 2 - 4 schools to remain at 12 FB schools in the conference. Or the AAC can pull a Sunbelt / current B-12 - 10 school conference in football with a championship game under the new NCAA ruling.

If/when Texas, Oklahoma (and perhaps even Kansas) leave for greener pastures, the Big XII name will be toxic -- known more for those who left than for those who didn't -- and it will no longer be considered a power conference no matter which G5 schools the leftovers are able to entice. Better to absorb its remainders into the AAC and MWC.

"Oh yeah, I remember the Big XII," people will say. "It was a pretty good football conference Until Colorado, Texas A&M, Missouri, Nebraska, Texas, and Oklahoma left."

If that's your logic then the AAC is a toxic extension of the OLD BE with CUSA call ups minus the C7, VT, BC, Miami, Pitt, Syracuse, and Rutgers. Of course I don't think the AAC is toxic and that it is a great TWEENER CONFERENCE at this point, but your toxic logic could be applied to the AAC post OBE ERA if that is the way you want to go.

The B-12 has better bowl connections, a better TV package, and would still have 8 so called P5 level schools. I like and support the AAC with Temple, Navy, and UConn which are in my traveling circle for football in it (and the conference as a whole) but the remaining 7 or 8 B-12 schools would be cherry picking the AAC and maybe BYU, or even some MWC schools before the AAC cherry picks the remaining B-12 schools. The toxic B-12 as you refer to it with WV, K-State, Kansas, Iowa ST, TCU, TT, OK St, and Baylor is a stronger football conference than the AAC especially after they cherry pick the AAC to get to 12 or 14. Even if Kansas leaves the remaining 7 schools will cherry pick the other conferences too especially if they grab BYU in the process. The best the AAC can hope for with the B-12 in the picture is that Texas and Oklahoma stay put in the B-12 and the B-12 only grabs 1 or2 schools down the road in any future realignment.

I imagine we'll find out soon enough.

Your imagination precedes you...

ECU over SMU? Why? I'd say KU, KSU, TCU, Baylor, SMU, UH (West). ISU, WVU, Cincinnati, Memphis, UCF and USF (East). Gotta get those recruiting areas. Then take your pick for 2 more. Mine would be Temple and UConn. ISU goes West. That's if the Texoma four leaves Big 12.

Because SMU has limited fan support. It's sports aren't really better than ECU except recently.

Well recently is what will apply, isn't it? Men's Bball is no contest (sold out venue for almost all games), and football should be bowling this year. IF we could keep Morris (long shot), then football will stay ahead of ECU this year and next. After that, it depends on who we get for a HC. I'm hoping we have finally worked our way out of the hole. I do think the Powers that Be see the advantage of paying for a good coach. And we certainly were added to the Big East before ECU with worse attendance than now.

(07-03-2017 02:03 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Because SMU has limited fan support. It's sports aren't really better than ECU except recently.

so you invalidate everything you've said with the last 2 words...nice. Recruits only care about what you've done lately.

there is no comparing ECU hoops to SMU hoops.

(06-21-2017 03:03 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  If anything, absorbing XII leftovers is how the American will get current power schools. In fact, if there was somehow a guarantee that the American would obtain power status then it may behoove current XII members who don't see a future for the XII or in the PAC, B1G, SEC, or ACC. I don't believe we'll see 6 power conferences again.

PAC + Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Kansas St
AAC + Baylor, TCU, Iowa St, West Virginia

The rest stay at 14.

2 divisions of 8 --

West: Iowa St, Tulsa, TCU, SMU, Baylor, Houston, Tulane, Navy/Wichita St
East: Central Florida, South Florida, Memphis, East Carolina, Cincinnati, West Virginia, Temple, Connecticut

Can we let Baylor rot and add BYU at that point?

(07-03-2017 10:42 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 02:03 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  Because SMU has limited fan support. It's sports aren't really better than ECU except recently.

so you invalidate everything you've said with the last 2 words...nice. Recruits only care about what you've done lately.

there is no comparing ECU hoops to SMU hoops.

I meant SMU basketball recently, sorry.

I don't see the Big 12 imploding anytime soon. I could be wrong, but I could see maybe and Oklahoma or a Texas leaving for the SEC or both, but the other school will then pick from probably the AAC to keep the Big 12 a float.

Only chance I see at a true power school for the AAC is:

TEXAS....in a Notre Dame-ACC type deal.

That *could* happen, if Oklahoma and Kansas leave and Texas wants to take a shot at football independence - rather than save the B12.

Most believe that the ACC would be Texas' most likely option in this scenario. But, I don't think the ACC is that interested in another Notre Dame deal or expanding beyond 16 Olympic sports teams. The ACC would probably take Texas' Olympic sports - but no western friends. And, I don't think Texas is that interested in sending all its Olympic sports to the ACC without at least one or two nearby conference mates.

In the AAC, Texas keeps the LHN and gets help to fill out its independent football schedule - plus strong basketball with competitive schools in the neighborhood.

For the AAC, the move adds a couple of good football games to the TV contract (OOC v. Texas), helps to improve the AAC bowl lineup, and gives another shot in the arm to basketball. And, perhaps most important, the move elevates the AAC's reputation closer to power status.

Not predicting this will happen, but the concept is conceivable. No other football power, like Nebraska, is coming to the AAC.

(07-03-2017 12:46 PM)YNot Wrote:  Only chance I see at a true power school for the AAC is:

TEXAS....in a Notre Dame-ACC type deal.

That *could* happen, if Oklahoma and Kansas leave and Texas wants to take a shot at football independence - rather than save the B12.

Most believe that the ACC would be Texas' most likely option in this scenario. But, I don't think the ACC is that interested in another Notre Dame deal or expanding beyond 16 Olympic sports teams. The ACC would probably take Texas' Olympic sports - but no western friends. And, I don't think Texas is that interested in sending all its Olympic sports to the ACC without at least one or two nearby conference mates.

In the AAC, Texas keeps the LHN and gets help to fill out its independent football schedule - plus strong basketball with competitive schools in the neighborhood.

For the AAC, the move adds a couple of good football games to the TV contract (OOC v. Texas), helps to improve the AAC bowl lineup, and gives another shot in the arm to basketball. And, perhaps most important, the move elevates the AAC's reputation closer to power status.

Not predicting this will happen, but the concept is conceivable. No other football power, like Nebraska, is coming to the AAC.

Texas to the AAC? Get real.

(07-03-2017 06:18 PM)colohank Wrote:  

(07-03-2017 12:46 PM)YNot Wrote:  Only chance I see at a true power school for the AAC is:

TEXAS....in a Notre Dame-ACC type deal.

That *could* happen, if Oklahoma and Kansas leave and Texas wants to take a shot at football independence - rather than save the B12.

Most believe that the ACC would be Texas' most likely option in this scenario. But, I don't think the ACC is that interested in another Notre Dame deal or expanding beyond 16 Olympic sports teams. The ACC would probably take Texas' Olympic sports - but no western friends. And, I don't think Texas is that interested in sending all its Olympic sports to the ACC without at least one or two nearby conference mates.

In the AAC, Texas keeps the LHN and gets help to fill out its independent football schedule - plus strong basketball with competitive schools in the neighborhood.

For the AAC, the move adds a couple of good football games to the TV contract (OOC v. Texas), helps to improve the AAC bowl lineup, and gives another shot in the arm to basketball. And, perhaps most important, the move elevates the AAC's reputation closer to power status.

Not predicting this will happen, but the concept is conceivable. No other football power, like Nebraska, is coming to the AAC.

Texas to the AAC? Get real.

Why not??? If Texas is offered a lucrative amount $$$ or if they're told they will make 30-40% more than everyone currently in the ACC they're in.

Nobody willing to join us could possibly improve our overall status. If they could, they already would have been invited.

(06-21-2017 03:12 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  We should try to get the New England Patriots and the Pittsburgh Steelers. Two best programs in the AFC, they fit the footprint, and they bring in new, large markets with Pittsburgh and Boston.

I see no way even our best teams could compete against Tom Brady. Big Ben presents a challenge as well!

I'd rather not have Texas in the aac

(07-04-2017 07:17 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Nobody willing to join us could possibly improve our overall status. If they could, they already would have been invited.

These threads are always fun and hilarious. Nothing short of Big 12 refugees in a lifeboat joining this conference will make it passable as a major conference. Maybe if BYU and some combo joined while a couple not to be named left would it pass but honestly, the AAC is looked upon as an adolescent while the others are looked upon as grown ups.

(07-03-2017 12:46 PM)YNot Wrote:  Only chance I see at a true power school for the AAC is:

TEXAS....in a Notre Dame-ACC type deal.

That *could* happen, if Oklahoma and Kansas leave and Texas wants to take a shot at football independence - rather than save the B12.

Most believe that the ACC would be Texas' most likely option in this scenario. But, I don't think the ACC is that interested in another Notre Dame deal or expanding beyond 16 Olympic sports teams. The ACC would probably take Texas' Olympic sports - but no western friends. And, I don't think Texas is that interested in sending all its Olympic sports to the ACC without at least one or two nearby conference mates.

In the AAC, Texas keeps the LHN and gets help to fill out its independent football schedule - plus strong basketball with competitive schools in the neighborhood.

For the AAC, the move adds a couple of good football games to the TV contract (OOC v. Texas), helps to improve the AAC bowl lineup, and gives another shot in the arm to basketball. And, perhaps most important, the move elevates the AAC's reputation closer to power status.

Not predicting this will happen, but the concept is conceivable. No other football power, like Nebraska, is coming to the AAC.

That's a good one. The only schools that would do that with the AAC is BYU and maybe Army. If UT did that, it'd be because the schedule fell that way one year.