(06-24-2017 10:05 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(06-24-2017 08:27 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 08:24 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 03:48 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Being an FCS fan must be a sad sports experience.

I'm not an FCS fan, I'm a JMU fan. I attended JMU in the late 80's/early 90's and yes- watching former conference mates and peers (ODU, Navy, ECU, VCU, UMass, UConn, UCF, App St, Ga Southern, et al) move on to bigger and better things in FB and BB has been an extremely sad sports experience. Could have used Terry Holland 20 years ago, instead we've been stuck with a bunch of short-sighted dingleberries.

I misunderstood your QB situation, hope the season works out for you all (especially against the hokies).

Interesting inclusion bolded...
In basketball we only moved from CAA to Patriot - doesn't exactly fit the "bigger and better."
In football we were never peers. Those were low times indeed for Navy football, though not even the lowest. (Seems you and I are contemporaries, so I have scars from Uzelac and Chaump years. Even with those scars, the time immediately pre-op non was worse.) There was talk of moving down to DI-A, and the naysayers weren't just outsiders - sports editor of Annapolis Capital one example. Navy's move was a RETURN to bigger and better after tho years in the wilderness.

Well the schools I listed included former conference mates which included Navy and ECU (except for football). We may not have been considered football peers but I believe we beat Navy in football at least once while I was there. My main point was if JMU had continued to build upon the momentum and potential it had back then (Lefty in basketball, improving academics, football, etc) we could have moved up with the Marshalls and the UCFs instead of being stuck where we are now. I've had to watch not only App St, ODU, UMass, and Ga State move on... but now even schools like Texas State, Coastal Carolina, and Liberty. I'm too old for this sh!t.

Tracking what you're saying overall, and it must have some frustrations.

It's just that Navy is still in a one bid hoops league, and we're unlikely to develop basketball aspirations beyond that.
In football, it's not like 25 years ago to today is a steady trendline moving up - we're in a rebirth, not a move up. The reference timeframe was just a long down period.

Let me try again - I just don't think Navy is analogous at all to the other examples, or to JMU now, or to a JMU coulda shoulda.
As in so many things we're just different, that's all.

(06-21-2017 10:50 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 10:47 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Why did you get rid of this game? Was it moved to another year. If you would have won your OOC games, you would have instantly shot up into top 15 or so.

We didn't get rid of it, SC did. They bought us out.

We pissed off SC by beating them in the bowl game... Now they are afraid to play AAC...

(06-24-2017 03:52 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-24-2017 10:05 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(06-24-2017 08:27 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 08:24 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 03:48 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  Being an FCS fan must be a sad sports experience.

I'm not an FCS fan, I'm a JMU fan. I attended JMU in the late 80's/early 90's and yes- watching former conference mates and peers (ODU, Navy, ECU, VCU, UMass, UConn, UCF, App St, Ga Southern, et al) move on to bigger and better things in FB and BB has been an extremely sad sports experience. Could have used Terry Holland 20 years ago, instead we've been stuck with a bunch of short-sighted dingleberries.

I misunderstood your QB situation, hope the season works out for you all (especially against the hokies).

Interesting inclusion bolded...
In basketball we only moved from CAA to Patriot - doesn't exactly fit the "bigger and better."
In football we were never peers. Those were low times indeed for Navy football, though not even the lowest. (Seems you and I are contemporaries, so I have scars from Uzelac and Chaump years. Even with those scars, the time immediately pre-op non was worse.) There was talk of moving down to DI-A, and the naysayers weren't just outsiders - sports editor of Annapolis Capital one example. Navy's move was a RETURN to bigger and better after tho years in the wilderness.

Well the schools I listed included former conference mates which included Navy and ECU (except for football). We may not have been considered football peers but I believe we beat Navy in football at least once while I was there. My main point was if JMU had continued to build upon the momentum and potential it had back then (Lefty in basketball, improving academics, football, etc) we could have moved up with the Marshalls and the UCFs instead of being stuck where we are now. I've had to watch not only App St, ODU, UMass, and Ga State move on... but now even schools like Texas State, Coastal Carolina, and Liberty. I'm too old for this sh!t.

Tracking what you're saying overall, and it must have some frustrations.

It's just that Navy is still in a one bid hoops league, and we're unlikely to develop basketball aspirations beyond that.
In football, it's not like 25 years ago to today is a steady trendline moving up - we're in a rebirth, not a move up. The reference timeframe was just a long down period.

Let me try again - I just don't think Navy is analogous at all to the other examples, or to JMU now, or to a JMU coulda shoulda.
As in so many things we're just different, that's all.

It's actually pretty remarkable the academies can continue to compete given the requirements and demands on student athletes so a mid-major makes perfect sense for Olympic sports. Really a special kind of kid that commits to play football there. I grew up idolizing Roger Staubach and the days of hitting the jackpot with a late bloomer like David Robinson are few and far between. At JMU I had a O-line roommate who transferred from West Point, between his size/weight and his social tendencies I'm surprised he went in the first place. Good guy, just not a good fit.

(06-24-2017 08:43 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 10:50 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 10:47 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Why did you get rid of this game? Was it moved to another year. If you would have won your OOC games, you would have instantly shot up into top 15 or so.

We didn't get rid of it, SC did. They bought us out.

We pissed off SC by beating them in the bowl game... Now they are afraid to play AAC...

South Carolina is going to find it incredibly hard to get back to the standard Spurrier set. Clemson has had its ups and downs but with them back to their winning form and a brutal SEC they're going to need a bigger hire than Muschamp.

Mizzou and South Carolina are proof the SEC is not infallible.

(06-24-2017 08:59 PM)2Buck Wrote:  

(06-24-2017 03:52 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-24-2017 10:05 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(06-24-2017 08:27 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 08:24 PM)2Buck Wrote:  I'm not an FCS fan, I'm a JMU fan. I attended JMU in the late 80's/early 90's and yes- watching former conference mates and peers (ODU, Navy, ECU, VCU, UMass, UConn, UCF, App St, Ga Southern, et al) move on to bigger and better things in FB and BB has been an extremely sad sports experience. Could have used Terry Holland 20 years ago, instead we've been stuck with a bunch of short-sighted dingleberries.

I misunderstood your QB situation, hope the season works out for you all (especially against the hokies).

Interesting inclusion bolded...
In basketball we only moved from CAA to Patriot - doesn't exactly fit the "bigger and better."
In football we were never peers. Those were low times indeed for Navy football, though not even the lowest. (Seems you and I are contemporaries, so I have scars from Uzelac and Chaump years. Even with those scars, the time immediately pre-op non was worse.) There was talk of moving down to DI-A, and the naysayers weren't just outsiders - sports editor of Annapolis Capital one example. Navy's move was a RETURN to bigger and better after tho years in the wilderness.

Well the schools I listed included former conference mates which included Navy and ECU (except for football). We may not have been considered football peers but I believe we beat Navy in football at least once while I was there. My main point was if JMU had continued to build upon the momentum and potential it had back then (Lefty in basketball, improving academics, football, etc) we could have moved up with the Marshalls and the UCFs instead of being stuck where we are now. I've had to watch not only App St, ODU, UMass, and Ga State move on... but now even schools like Texas State, Coastal Carolina, and Liberty. I'm too old for this sh!t.

Tracking what you're saying overall, and it must have some frustrations.

It's just that Navy is still in a one bid hoops league, and we're unlikely to develop basketball aspirations beyond that.
In football, it's not like 25 years ago to today is a steady trendline moving up - we're in a rebirth, not a move up. The reference timeframe was just a long down period.

Let me try again - I just don't think Navy is analogous at all to the other examples, or to JMU now, or to a JMU coulda shoulda.
As in so many things we're just different, that's all.

It's actually pretty remarkable the academies can continue to compete given the requirements and demands on student athletes so a mid-major makes perfect sense for Olympic sports. Really a special kind of kid that commits to play football there. I grew up idolizing Roger Staubach and the days of hitting the jackpot with a late bloomer like David Robinson are few and far between. At JMU I had a O-line roommate who transferred from West Point, between his size/weight and his social tendencies I'm surprised he went in the first place. Good guy, just not a good fit.

Right.
There is another thread talking about why Navy is perfectly happy in the Patriot League. I won't repeat myself here.
As far as football, it is no accident that success only comes with a system that allows us to maximize what we've got (smart disciplined team oriented young men) while playing possession keep away to not let the adversary take advantage of their areas of advantage. The Johnson-Niumatalolo- Jasper offense, which Monken also runs at Army West Point and the DeBerry-Calhoun version may not be the only way to do that, but I can't name another off the top of my head.
The coaches will say that there are enough kids out there that all three can find enough. Navy's mindset though is to set ourselves up in competition with our P6 peers not just fight Army and Air Force for one small pool.
As far as guys leaving that's why I and I think many other Navy fans aren't big recruiting geeks. Signing day don't matter, Induction Day (this Thursday this year) does. We lose guys from the Prep School every year and we HAVE to just let em go. One of our best young secondary guys transferred to Notre Dame. I would have liked to see him stay, but if the mission of the place didn't match his life goals, it's best he leave now.
Similarly, balance the OMG you lost starters with being at the top of Phil Steele's two deep experience rankings. Two sides of the same coin because we're just different.
Wouldn't do it any differently, but it's also critical to the Academy mission that we have this face of the Academy successful at the highest level of competition. Navy is all-inclusive on P6 so we can keep 25% of midshipmen competing in varsity intercollegiate sports in 33 sports (us clubs like hockey and rugby plus intramurals for guys like me).

(06-24-2017 08:43 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 10:50 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 10:47 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Why did you get rid of this game? Was it moved to another year. If you would have won your OOC games, you would have instantly shot up into top 15 or so.

We didn't get rid of it, SC did. They bought us out.

We pissed off SC by beating them in the bowl game... Now they are afraid to play AAC...

Not really, most USC fans knew that would be a tough game. Personally I didn't expect to even keep it close. I don't know anyone that is extremely upset about the loss. Most are it as a step in the right direction. To the guy talking about Muschamp, he isn't the answer, we know that. He is a good recruiter and should get us back to being decent. We have to stop the bleeding first lol.

(06-25-2017 12:39 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-24-2017 08:43 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 10:50 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 10:47 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Why did you get rid of this game? Was it moved to another year. If you would have won your OOC games, you would have instantly shot up into top 15 or so.

We didn't get rid of it, SC did. They bought us out.

We pissed off SC by beating them in the bowl game... Now they are afraid to play AAC...

Not really, most USC fans knew that would be a tough game. Personally I didn't expect to even keep it close. I don't know anyone that is extremely upset about the loss. Most are it as a step in the right direction. To the guy talking about Muschamp, he isn't the answer, we know that. He is a good recruiter and should get us back to being decent. We have to stop the bleeding first lol.

Damn, a rational answer from an SEC fan. Trump America indeed....

(06-26-2017 12:49 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 12:39 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-24-2017 08:43 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 10:50 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 10:47 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Why did you get rid of this game? Was it moved to another year. If you would have won your OOC games, you would have instantly shot up into top 15 or so.

We didn't get rid of it, SC did. They bought us out.

We pissed off SC by beating them in the bowl game... Now they are afraid to play AAC...

Not really, most USC fans knew that would be a tough game. Personally I didn't expect to even keep it close. I don't know anyone that is extremely upset about the loss. Most are it as a step in the right direction. To the guy talking about Muschamp, he isn't the answer, we know that. He is a good recruiter and should get us back to being decent. We have to stop the bleeding first lol.

Damn, a rational answer from an SEC fan. Trump America indeed....

South Carolina fans aren't like most SEC fans.

(06-26-2017 02:44 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  

(06-26-2017 12:49 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(06-25-2017 12:39 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  

(06-24-2017 08:43 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 10:50 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  We didn't get rid of it, SC did. They bought us out.

We pissed off SC by beating them in the bowl game... Now they are afraid to play AAC...

Not really, most USC fans knew that would be a tough game. Personally I didn't expect to even keep it close. I don't know anyone that is extremely upset about the loss. Most are it as a step in the right direction. To the guy talking about Muschamp, he isn't the answer, we know that. He is a good recruiter and should get us back to being decent. We have to stop the bleeding first lol.

Damn, a rational answer from an SEC fan. Trump America indeed....

South Carolina fans aren't like most SEC fans.

Lou Holtz and Steve Spurrier couldn't win a championship of any kind there. Its astonishing if you think about it.

(06-23-2017 11:44 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 08:15 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Don't count on it. There wasn't much in the second half of last year that pointed to an improved ECU team this year. The grad transfers will help, with the exception of Sirk. I think bringing in a new QB for just a year is always a mistake, especially when Minshew didn't look bad. JMU probably leads most of the first 3 qtrs and has a solid chance to lead wire to wire. Playing at home in the evening is ECU's biggest advantage at this point.

You touched on your team's biggest issue. When we played UNC last year our team still wasn't clicking but we were doing well enough to lead them until they made adjustments on defense and, most importantly, Trubisky started picking apart our defense which was still getting comfortable with a new coach and new system. This year our team will have much better cohesion and execution and if (being your first game of the season with a new QB and shaky defense) your team is still working out the wrinkles- all the size, talent, and depth in the world isn't going to help.

This game could go a million different ways across the spectrum and a blowout in either direction wouldn't surprise me. However I'm sure you can deduce the outcome I'm partial to.

Like I said, ECU's team will be bad, mediocre at best in the game. By far the biggest advantage is playing at home in the evening. If ECU can get 48k or better in the seats it will be an experience unlike anything the JMU players have seen, including last year's UNC game and 2014 @ Maryland.

(06-28-2017 08:24 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 11:44 AM)2Buck Wrote:  

(06-23-2017 08:15 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  Don't count on it. There wasn't much in the second half of last year that pointed to an improved ECU team this year. The grad transfers will help, with the exception of Sirk. I think bringing in a new QB for just a year is always a mistake, especially when Minshew didn't look bad. JMU probably leads most of the first 3 qtrs and has a solid chance to lead wire to wire. Playing at home in the evening is ECU's biggest advantage at this point.

You touched on your team's biggest issue. When we played UNC last year our team still wasn't clicking but we were doing well enough to lead them until they made adjustments on defense and, most importantly, Trubisky started picking apart our defense which was still getting comfortable with a new coach and new system. This year our team will have much better cohesion and execution and if (being your first game of the season with a new QB and shaky defense) your team is still working out the wrinkles- all the size, talent, and depth in the world isn't going to help.

This game could go a million different ways across the spectrum and a blowout in either direction wouldn't surprise me. However I'm sure you can deduce the outcome I'm partial to.

Like I said, ECU's team will be bad, mediocre at best in the game. By far the biggest advantage is playing at home in the evening. If ECU can get 48k or better in the seats it will be an experience unlike anything the JMU players have seen, including last year's UNC game and 2014 @ Maryland.

But... but... muh Fargo Dome!

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