I imagine it requires the Power 5 to all agree to make it permissible but would conference semi-final games ever be approved?

It would radically change the realignment game. Imagine a system where conferences have 3 divisions whose winners and a wild card play semi-final games at the higher seed's home the first week of December followed by conference chanmpionships the week after.

15 and 18 become the new target sizes for leagues and the absorption of the Big 12 becomes more likely.

It also streamlines a system where the Rose and Sugar can pair the conference champs for the national semi finals.

(06-20-2017 05:16 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I imagine it requires the Power 5 to all agree to make it permissible but would conference semi-final games ever be approved?

It would radically change the realignment game. Imagine a system where conferences have 3 divisions whose winners and a wild card play semi-final games at the higher seed's home the first week of December followed by conference chanmpionships the week after.

15 and 18 become the new target sizes for leagues and the absorption of the Big 12 becomes more likely.

It also streamlines a system where the Rose and Sugar can pair the conference champs for the national semi finals.

Once we move to a P4 format, yes. It will fall under autonomy.

Only if conferences get to more than 20 teams.

As long as there is 20 or less teams, there is no need for semi-finals.

Until the B10 and SEC want it, I doubt it happens.

I think conference semifinals would be tremendously valuable and huge money makers.

The 3 Divison model adds tons of alignment flexibility. The ACC would jump all over it especially if Notre Dame will agree to be a full time #15.

A Pac 12 who had to take in 6 Big 12 schools in order to land the ones they wanted could definitely utilize this too.

The Big Ten and SEC could make use of this too especially with the wildcard since currently those leagues have lopsided divsions.

(06-20-2017 05:17 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 05:16 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I imagine it requires the Power 5 to all agree to make it permissible but would conference semi-final games ever be approved?

It would radically change the realignment game. Imagine a system where conferences have 3 divisions whose winners and a wild card play semi-final games at the higher seed's home the first week of December followed by conference chanmpionships the week after.

15 and 18 become the new target sizes for leagues and the absorption of the Big 12 becomes more likely.

It also streamlines a system where the Rose and Sugar can pair the conference champs for the national semi finals.

Once we move to a P4 format, yes. It will fall under autonomy.

Actually not an autonomy issue because it's a playing and practice limits question.

It will never be an easy issue to pass because the presidents really don't like extending the playing season.

Getting it approved before someone goes to 18+ is going to be nearly impossible because everyone in the room knows it is a destabilizer. Even if it were an autonomy vote it would still be hard to pass because anyone who isn't hyper-valuable knows they could get screwed over despite being in a power league and further expansion of any of the power leagues means losing valuable home games against historic rivals.

It will be a tough nut to crack.

It's a way for the autonomy conference to create a substantial new revenue stream, without having to share it with the rest of the FBS - so, there is potential. How much would two additional conference semi-final games be worth? I'm sure the B1G and SEC could each get at least another $25M from the two new games.

That pays for Delany's bonus!

If the conferences and NCAA can make money, without a doubt, yes they are coming eventually.


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I wonder if you could have the semi-finals the first weekend in December; then the Army-Navy on the second weekend; then the CCGs the following Friday and Saturday (December 15-20 time frame). Most years, that would give the champions 2+ weeks before the CFP.

Is that enough time? Is that too close to Christmas?

(06-20-2017 06:06 PM)YNot Wrote:  I wonder if you could have the semi-finals the first weekend in December; then the Army-Navy on the second weekend; then the CCGs the following Friday and Saturday (December 15-20 time frame). Most years, that would give the champions 2+ weeks before the CFP.

Is that enough time? Is that too close to Christmas?

You would need to start the Season the last full week of August or even the next to last week and grant a second bye weekend. For those who have lived long enough we once started the season before classes. By doing so again we can fit the semi's in without docking extra class time.

Why not just have 8 playoffs spots instead?

(06-20-2017 06:29 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  Why not just have 8 playoffs spots instead?

SEC and Big10 wouldn't have to share revenue from conference semi finals like they would with an extra round of playoffs

If semifinals were approved it would be interesting because it allows an arrangement like the PAC going to 15.

Texas
Texas Tech
Oklahoma

Re-seed the divisions each year.

SEC
West - Arkansas, LSU, Texas A&M, Mississippi, Mississippi State
North - Missouri, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, West Virginia, Tennessee
East - Alabama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina

For an eight game schedule, each school had one set of permanent rivals (such as Tennessee and Mississippi State for Alabama) and plays the other eight schools over the course of four years. For a ten game schedule, each school gets its four division mates, its two permanent rivals, and two more form each division.

B1G
West - Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas
Central - Indiana, Purdue, Northwestern, Illinois, Ohio State
East - Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Rutgers, Maryland

See the note regarding the SEC.

ACC
North - Norte Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Boston College, Virginia Tech
Coastal - North Carolina State, Wake Forest, Virginia, Louisville, Miami (FL)
South - Georgia Tech, Clemson, North Carolina, Duke, Florida State

Obviously Norte Dame will not agree to gen conference games, so it will be eight for the ACC. Only a handful of rivalries get protected.

Pac 15
North - Washington, Washington State, Oregon, Oregon State, Oklahoma
South - California, UCLA, Stanford, Southern California, Texas
West - Utah, Colorado, Arizona, Arizona State, Texas Tech

This bizarre alignment actually proves quite handy: the three Big 12 schools are each other's permanent rivals, and everyone is guaranteed a game in California annually.

Interesting way to do the PAC.

(06-20-2017 07:14 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Interesting way to do the PAC.

Maybe a better way to do the Pac 12 would be:

Wash, WSU, OSU, Ore, Colorado

Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA, Utah

Ariz, ASU, OU, TTU, Texas

(06-20-2017 07:33 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 07:14 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Interesting way to do the PAC.

Maybe a better way to do the Pac 12 would be:

Wash, WSU, OSU, Ore, Colorado

Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA, Utah

Ariz, ASU, OU, TTU, Texas

With this set up and other B2 schools heading East the MW would pick up the cast offs:


SDSU, FSU, SJSU, Hawaii, UNLV

Boise, Nevada, USU, BYU, Wyoming

CSU, AF, New Mexico, Iowa State, Kansas and/or K State.


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(06-20-2017 06:24 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 06:06 PM)YNot Wrote:  I wonder if you could have the semi-finals the first weekend in December; then the Army-Navy on the second weekend; then the CCGs the following Friday and Saturday (December 15-20 time frame). Most years, that would give the champions 2+ weeks before the CFP.

Is that enough time? Is that too close to Christmas?

You would need to start the Season the last full week of August or even the next to last week and grant a second bye weekend. For those who have lived long enough we once started the season before classes. By doing so again we can fit the semi's in without docking extra class time.

Not to mention that the end of August is a sports dead time, and one in which college sports fans are absolutely salivating waiting for the season to start. So, not only would the late season semifinals be a gold mine, what is now Week Zero would be as well. If we are worried about having too many semifinal games on the same weekend, having them on Thanksgiving weekend allows them to be spaced out over several days (including Sunday, since the NFL hasn't started yet).

At some point, the money becomes too much to ignore.

u guys r nuts, i believe in risk vs reward, but these kids r not being paid & risk serious injury.
over time, playoffs, semi-finals, the n what expedation games, 7's tourn in spring
so were looking for conf tour, then 16 playoffs.

(06-20-2017 10:06 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  u guys r nuts, i believe in risk vs reward, but these kids r not being paid & risk serious injury.
over time, playoffs, semi-finals, the n what expedation games, 7's tourn in spring
so were looking for conf tour, then 16 playoffs.

dont bring in player welfare, number of games, and greater risk of concussion into this. what the hell is wrong with you. lets kill the goose that laid those golden eggs


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