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(06-20-2017 11:12 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 10:01 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  If not, why?

30 NCAA appearances
11 Sweet Sixteens
9 Elite Eights
5 Final Fours
1 National Championship (3x runner-up)

Allen Iverson
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Elite private institution in the nation's capital.

Secondary question, what keeps them from being permanently elite in basketball?

I'd have to vote no on that.

They're in the same boat as Indiana for example, past glory put them into the category, but the shine of definitely off.

Seems the only TRUE blue bloods left are Duke, UNC, Kansas, and Kentucky.

Two previous blue bloods find their blood is red now: Indiana and UCLA.
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No, they aren't
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RE: Is Georgetown a basketball blue blood?
The designation of "Blue Blood" implies sustained success for a very long period of time. Like half a century of time or more. And excellence in nearly every decade of that long time.

Georgetown, and UConn as well, are beginning to look like programs that were a product of their conference more than the other way around. Neither were major players before the formation of the Big East, and they have declined since its breakup. UConn held on longer, and may yet hang on in the AAC (or nBE). But judging by the angst among UConn fans about whether they can return to their recent glory in the AAC, they may need help to avoid Georgetown's fate.
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(06-20-2017 01:56 PM)ken d Wrote:  The designation of "Blue Blood" implies sustained success for a very long period of time. Like half a century of time or more. And excellence in nearly every decade of that long time.

Georgetown, and UConn as well, are beginning to look like programs that were a product of their conference more than the other way around. Neither were major players before the formation of the Big East, and they have declined since its breakup. UConn held on longer, and may yet hang on in the AAC (or nBE). But judging by the angst among UConn fans about whether they can return to their recent glory in the AAC, they may need help to avoid Georgetown's fate.

I think if the ACC were smart, they'd work out a deal to bring in Georgetown.
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(06-20-2017 01:56 PM)ken d Wrote:  The designation of "Blue Blood" implies sustained success for a very long period of time. Like half a century of time or more. And excellence in nearly every decade of that long time.

Georgetown, and UConn as well, are beginning to look like programs that were a product of their conference more than the other way around. Neither were major players before the formation of the Big East, and they have declined since its breakup. UConn held on longer, and may yet hang on in the AAC (or nBE). But judging by the angst among UConn fans about whether they can return to their recent glory in the AAC, they may need help to avoid Georgetown's fate.

What break up? The big east looks fine to me.
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(06-20-2017 10:57 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 10:10 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  No. The only universally recognized Blue Bloods are Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana and UCLA.

Georgetown does not have the resume of those schools, the $$$$, the following, etc. In fact Georgetown is behind other schools knocking on the door (ie. Louisville, Connecticut, Arizona). What's more, Georgetown hasn't been Georgetown since Big John left and are falling even further down the hierarchy.

I don't get this Arizona love and putting them up near the top echelon. They have won one championship. They are a constant underachiever, just look at this year. Xavier with their best player out for the season beat them in the NCAA's. They get big time recruits every year and get lofty rankings every pre-season and constantly underachieve. Arizona never had the level of dominance that Georgetown had at one point. At least the Hoyas were very close to 3 titles in 3 years.

Arizona might not have the 5 year peak that Georgetown had 30-35 years ago but the mid 1980s aren't coming back anytime soon. You say Arizona has been underachieving yet seem to ignore that during that same time frame Georgetown has been largely irrelevant but if you look at each program's complete history you will see that Arizona definitely belongs in the conversation. Overall Georgetown has an additional F4 over UofA and from what I could find the AAs are equal between the two, Arizona holds advantage in wins, tournament appearances, tourney wins, S16s, E8s and both # of weeks ranked in AP and # of times ranked in the EOY AP rankings.
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(06-20-2017 03:16 PM)clpp01 Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 10:57 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 10:10 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  No. The only universally recognized Blue Bloods are Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana and UCLA.

Georgetown does not have the resume of those schools, the $$$$, the following, etc. In fact Georgetown is behind other schools knocking on the door (ie. Louisville, Connecticut, Arizona). What's more, Georgetown hasn't been Georgetown since Big John left and are falling even further down the hierarchy.

I don't get this Arizona love and putting them up near the top echelon. They have won one championship. They are a constant underachiever, just look at this year. Xavier with their best player out for the season beat them in the NCAA's. They get big time recruits every year and get lofty rankings every pre-season and constantly underachieve. Arizona never had the level of dominance that Georgetown had at one point. At least the Hoyas were very close to 3 titles in 3 years.

Arizona might not have the 5 year peak that Georgetown had 30-35 years ago but the mid 1980s aren't coming back anytime soon. You say Arizona has been underachieving yet seem to ignore that during that same time frame Georgetown has been largely irrelevant but if you look at each program's complete history you will see that Arizona definitely belongs in the conversation. Overall Georgetown has an additional F4 over UofA and from what I could find the AAs are equal between the two, Arizona holds advantage in wins, tournament appearances, tourney wins, S16s, E8s and both # of weeks ranked in AP and # of times ranked in the EOY AP rankings.

I wasn't comparing the two. It was an independent thought that Arizona underachieves and gets far too much love/respect than they deserve. The late 90's aren't coming back either. Losing to squads they are clearly more talented than almost every year in March means that UA isn't even in that second tier.

Since you compared the 2, it's easier to be ranked longer when you play in a much easier conference.
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Isn't that Georgetown Final Four from like the 40's? Unless they were dominating the NIT back then, Georgetown and Arizona are basically even when it comes to Final Four appearances.
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(06-20-2017 03:30 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  Isn't that Georgetown Final Four from like the 40's? Unless they were dominating the NIT back then, Georgetown and Arizona are basically even when it comes to Final Four appearances.

Wait, so if Georgetown won that championship game that wouldn't count towards their championships to you?
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(06-20-2017 03:30 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 03:16 PM)clpp01 Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 10:57 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  
(06-20-2017 10:10 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  No. The only universally recognized Blue Bloods are Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana and UCLA.

Georgetown does not have the resume of those schools, the $$$$, the following, etc. In fact Georgetown is behind other schools knocking on the door (ie. Louisville, Connecticut, Arizona). What's more, Georgetown hasn't been Georgetown since Big John left and are falling even further down the hierarchy.

I don't get this Arizona love and putting them up near the top echelon. They have won one championship. They are a constant underachiever, just look at this year. Xavier with their best player out for the season beat them in the NCAA's. They get big time recruits every year and get lofty rankings every pre-season and constantly underachieve. Arizona never had the level of dominance that Georgetown had at one point. At least the Hoyas were very close to 3 titles in 3 years.

Arizona might not have the 5 year peak that Georgetown had 30-35 years ago but the mid 1980s aren't coming back anytime soon. You say Arizona has been underachieving yet seem to ignore that during that same time frame Georgetown has been largely irrelevant but if you look at each program's complete history you will see that Arizona definitely belongs in the conversation. Overall Georgetown has an additional F4 over UofA and from what I could find the AAs are equal between the two, Arizona holds advantage in wins, tournament appearances, tourney wins, S16s, E8s and both # of weeks ranked in AP and # of times ranked in the EOY AP rankings.

I wasn't comparing the two. It was an independent thought that Arizona underachieves and gets far too much love/respect than they deserve. The late 90's aren't coming back either. Losing to squads they are clearly more talented than almost every year in March means that UA isn't even in that second tier.

Since you compared the 2, it's easier to be ranked longer when you play in a much easier conference.

It's also easier when you aren't going 14-18 against a weaker SOS.

What's with this nonsense of losing to inferior teams every year? 2017 fits but it is really the only year you can claim during the Miller era, Duke just lost to South Carolina judging by how you view Arizona perhaps they need to turn in their blue blood card?
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