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UT outlines plans to join research top 100
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RE: UT outlines plans to join research top 100
This is something that has been a talking point on this board. There is a balance between research and teaching though that must be adhered to

Can not be at the expense of the student.
06-20-2017 04:08 PM
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I think this is excellent. Its pushing UT to be on the same stage as some other bigger name schools.
06-21-2017 11:21 AM
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(06-21-2017 11:21 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I think this is excellent. Its pushing UT to be on the same stage as some other bigger name schools.

What "push?" What substance did you see in that pronouncement? I saw no description of "plan" provided, let alone anything that would imply this is realistic or even worthwhile.

I wouldn't trust the person that put that out to media with my used gum, let alone a university or company or any institution. Right now the top 100 and the next 150, 250 are all giggling.

People should be angry with that empty headed statement.


Good leadership plans, gathers investment, evaluates promising areas and diminishing returns, they get the best most creative people they can and then lead by creating an environment that hopefully enables them to surpass their own expectations. From there on out, what happens, happens. No pronouncements. To imply they plan (not "have a plan"), realistic or not to "join research top 100 starting from where UT is at, doesn't even rise to arrogant.
06-21-2017 02:23 PM
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(06-21-2017 02:23 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 11:21 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I think this is excellent. Its pushing UT to be on the same stage as some other bigger name schools.

What "push?" What substance did you see in that pronouncement? I saw no description of "plan" provided, let alone anything that would imply this is realistic or even worthwhile.

I wouldn't trust the person that put that out to media with my used gum, let alone a university or company or any institution. Right now the top 100 and the next 150, 250 are all giggling.

People should be angry with that empty headed statement.


Good leadership plans, gathers investment, evaluates promising areas and diminishing returns, they get the best most creative people they can and then lead by creating an environment that hopefully enables them to surpass their own expectations. From there on out, what happens, happens. No pronouncements. To imply they plan (not "have a plan"), realistic or not to "join research top 100 starting from where UT is at, doesn't even rise to arrogant.

A targeted competitive selective and focused strategic new faculty hiring plan (national searches) is next step to be directed by President and Provost.
06-22-2017 10:04 AM
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(06-22-2017 10:04 AM)PaulJ Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 02:23 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 11:21 AM)rocketinchitown Wrote:  I think this is excellent. Its pushing UT to be on the same stage as some other bigger name schools.

What "push?" What substance did you see in that pronouncement? I saw no description of "plan" provided, let alone anything that would imply this is realistic or even worthwhile.

I wouldn't trust the person that put that out to media with my used gum, let alone a university or company or any institution. Right now the top 100 and the next 150, 250 are all giggling.

People should be angry with that empty headed statement.


Good leadership plans, gathers investment, evaluates promising areas and diminishing returns, they get the best most creative people they can and then lead by creating an environment that hopefully enables them to surpass their own expectations. From there on out, what happens, happens. No pronouncements. To imply they plan (not "have a plan"), realistic or not to "join research top 100 starting from where UT is at, doesn't even rise to arrogant.

A targeted competitive selective and focused strategic new faculty hiring plan (national searches) is next step to be directed by President and Provost.

That's great.

Who is being targeted?

What is the focus?

Is there any substance to the statements or are they just as empty as "plans to join top 100?"

What opportunities will/can the University offer young researchers that won't be offered by the 350 schools above? The University begins to think this way, and a mid-sized municipal with almost no reputation, might have a chance.

A young researcher going into a top (or even much less than top) university can expect to spend many years under the tutelage (doing drudge work) for an established Professor as a by-line to their research and rewards. What will UT do in order to break the established anachronism. What will UT do in order to facilitate research to market place? Put in another four months useful sports field with affiliated maintenance and security costs?

Enabling young researchers is what the movers are doing, taking risks and being willing to say "no" to candidates and leaving positions open until they find the one worth taking the risks on, those with independent ambition and creativity needing only an incubator.

I recall posting this before, providing a candidate along those line to the powers immediately below the power, along with a work sample. A candidate very interested in the opportunity described, one who believed in the value of their research to "the human condition." Didn't even get a thank you reply. That candidate is now at Northwestern in Chicago, in the system, waiting her turn. I'd say that pretty much soured on whether UT has what it takes to make the top 400, let alone 100. The same people are running the departments and colleges with their ever changing names and titles or being given money to leave, lol.

We'll see. I won't get in the way but I'm a long way from doing my small share again. Be interesting to see how next round of tenure track and lecture candidates comes in or if it's same ol same ol.
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06-22-2017 02:10 PM
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five strategic research areas are being developed that will be the focus of investments in faculty and research support services, whatever they are, and how ever many faculty get hired, and what research ranking is achieved, my one point is that President Gaber has made it one of her top 5 priorities. Yes the devil is always in the details and implementation, and lots of work and discussion needs to be undertaken, but at least the aim is there, why not state a goal and shoot for it, what is the alternative (do nothing or as in past make no effort or investments?). And I know several new young tenure track faculty hired at UT in recent years who are already off to very productive research careers (external grants and publications) so the perhaps older more traditional model of tutelage is not always at play any more, so yes it is hard to attract and retain such faculty, always other institutions to compete with, but with some effort and focus it can be done, I know because I see it here. The current President and Provost have background in academic scholarship and research funding that has not been at UT in those two critical positions for many years, perhaps ever. They were hired for one reason because of that background, they understand it, the need, and the effort it will take.
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the aim is to increase UT’s position in U.S. News & World Report’s top 100 public, national, research university ranking (UT is currently 133), and it will likely take longer than five years of this plan to reach it http://www.utoledo.edu/strategicplan/
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(06-22-2017 02:47 PM)PaulJ Wrote:  Yes the devil is always in the details and implementation, and lots of work and discussion needs to be undertaken, but at least the aim is there, why not state a goal and shoot for it, what is the alternative (do nothing or as in past make no effort or investments?).

If that bifurcation is the definition of "alternative" by campus leadership, UT is in more trouble than even the lack of rating indicates.


"Why not state a goal?" Did someone say not to state a goal? Did I say not to state a goal? Political twisting of words not even oppositional simply because they are not laudatory would be another reason to not trust leadership. It's that "whack-a-mole" mentality I mentioned, people that have never "fixed" anything, who in this case actually were part of the decay, knocking down ideas and dialogue. Twisting, miss quoting, misstatement or listening with one ear. What's not being got, people should have had enough of that from the University and local leadership.


Goal statements are empty political statements without timelines of expected measurable successes, assignment and acceptance of responsibility for meeting those successes, needs assessment and a rallying call to the community for participation and opportunity. They might as well of said they're going to incorporate with MIT. Just as realistic and as meaningless.

Goal statements are realistic. If you tell people to climb an unrealistic wall, they will not even attempt the accent. "Top 100?" Give me a time-frame. Is it 50 or is it 100 years? How long until after the people who made it are dead and not responsible for the words?

That anyone would see those words as something other than empty rhetoric is a very bad sign but it has become accepted in the community. That's why we're so slow to progress. The leaders are happy to say, "good times ahead" but slow to put substance to them. The community is happy to accept. And we make lists like "most dangerous city," "eighth most depressed,"....

Substance. Give people a realistic goal and then tell them how they can help to attain it. Tell them their role in making something they can be proud of. THEN, you will get results.
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