(06-21-2017 02:02 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Valid opinion, but not fact

Introducing facts into a hypothetical thread isn’t exactly practical because there are too many variables. Example: WV might not be one of the B12 leftovers. Kansas could end up in the B1G. OS and OSU may go to the SEC. Texas could go to the PAC with TT and TCU or the ACC. Texas, TT, OU, and OSU could go to the PAC. My point: Who knows...hence the word “hypothetical”. Therefore, most facts are irrelevant in a hypothetical thread.

So long as you acknowledge that U_F being included in a Big 12 rebuilding that includes WV is just an opinion, I have no beef.

It's not a forgone conclusion.

(06-21-2017 08:03 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  So long as you acknowledge that U_F being included in a Big 12 rebuilding that includes WV is just an opinion, I have no beef.

It's not a forgone conclusion.

I totally agree with you. The one thing we all know is nobody really knows anything.

USF has nice research, and a nice market. Same can be said for Cincy.

Hope both "make it", though both are also doing fine and have already had some nice moments in the world of college football in the last 10+ year period.

My pull apart:

To B1G: KU, KSU, ISU
TO SEC: OSU, OU
TO ACC: WVU

They reload with: Houston, SMU, Tulana, Tulsa, UNM, CSU, BYU

Yeah I've thought about the Big Ten taking Kansas, K-State, and Iowa St, in the West, and UConn in the East.

Those three schools all "fit in" with most of the West programs in football, and would be pretty good in bball for the conf. It would kick Purdue and Illinois over to the East.

Wouldn't add much of anything as far as cable subscribers to BTN (in the West, at least).

(06-21-2017 08:03 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  So long as you acknowledge that U_F being included in a Big 12 rebuilding that includes WV is just an opinion, I have no beef.

It's not a forgone conclusion.

It’s more than an opinion, it’s a belief. I truly believe that a rebuilt B12 would add USF if WV is one of the leftovers. WV has history with the school. This is one important “fact” that many have overlooked. Is this a fact? Yes. Does this fact guarantee USF a spot? Who knows.... Since this is a hypothetical thread, my opinions, beliefs, and facts really don’t matter. We are making suggestions and some have tried to substantiate their suggestions—which makes for good dialogue in the thread.

Furthermore, I commented in another post that “You present good points; however, your points don’t correlate with the premise of this thread: “'Hypothetical Big 12 rebuild’” You seem to be taking this hypothetical thread serious by disputing the suggestions of others. Nevertheless, please continue to try with USF or UCF because... "It's not a forgone conclusion."

(06-22-2017 03:27 AM)Erictelevision Wrote:  My pull apart:

To B1G: KU, KSU, ISU
TO SEC: OSU, OU
TO ACC: WVU

They reload with: Houston, SMU, Tulana, Tulsa, UNM, CSU, BYU

ACC: Texas or nothing

B1G: Kansas

PAC: Texas or nothing... It will likely be Texas, TT, TCU, and Houston (Baylor has seriously screwed itself)

SEC: OU and OSU just so the B1G doesn’t land OU... Texas is a strong possibility because the SEC is the best fit for the school and fans. Big time boosters may also demand the SEC because of the marquee matchups EVERY YEAR. TT or TCU might be considered with Texas.

The B12 Rebuild: The entire American Conference is invited, including the commissioner. This eliminates exit fees and any apprehension about joining a rebuilt conference.

(06-19-2017 09:13 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Let's speculate that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Kansas leave the Big 12. (Maybe those aren't the exact 4 but you get the general idea.) Who do you rebuild with?

My picks are Houston, BYU, Cincy, USF, UCF

Eastern Division
Connecticut
Temple
West Virginia
Cincinnati
East Carolina
Memphis
Central Florida
South Florida

Southern Division
Iowa State
Kansas State
Colorado State
BYU
Boise State
Oklahoma State
Houston (replaces Baylor)
TCU

(06-21-2017 02:02 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Valid opinion, but not fact

It's pretty close to fact, seeing USF was in a conference with WVU for almost a decade and WVU recruits Florida hard.

WVU is not going to vote for New Mexico over USF/UCF. Sorry.

(06-22-2017 09:43 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 09:13 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  Let's speculate that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Kansas leave the Big 12. (Maybe those aren't the exact 4 but you get the general idea.) Who do you rebuild with?

My picks are Houston, BYU, Cincy, USF, UCF

Eastern Division
Connecticut
Temple
West Virginia
Cincinnati
East Carolina
Memphis
Central Florida
South Florida

Southern Division
Iowa State
Kansas State
Colorado State
BYU
Boise State
Oklahoma State
Houston (replaces Baylor)
TCU

TCU and baylor to the AAC
Okl okl st to SEC
Kansas and Texas to the B10
texas tech,kansas St,Iowa st and BYU to PAC
WVU toACC

4 (P5) leagues of 16 members plus the AAC

(06-22-2017 09:43 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Eastern Division
Connecticut
Temple
West Virginia
Cincinnati
East Carolina
Memphis
Central Florida
South Florida

Southern Division
Iowa State
Kansas State
Colorado State
BYU
Boise State
Oklahoma State
Houston (replaces Baylor)
TCU

Too many. There are some tough decisions, but I think it would end up like this:

EAST Division
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Central Florida
South Florida
Memphis

WEST Division
Iowa State
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Baylor
TCU
Houston

BYU remains independent; Boise St. and CSU stay in the MWC.

AAC backfills with Rice, Southern Miss, Army, UMass, and Old Dominion. Wichita St. adds football.

EAST: Temple, ECU, Navy, Army, UMass, Old Dominion
WEST: Tulsa, SMU, Rice, Tulane, Southern Miss, Wichita St.

(06-22-2017 09:59 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 02:02 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Valid opinion, but not fact

It's pretty close to fact, seeing USF was in a conference with WVU for almost a decade and WVU recruits Florida hard.

WVU is not going to vote for New Mexico over USF/UCF. Sorry.

...not to mention the histroy WV has with USF.

(06-22-2017 08:34 AM)Underdog Wrote:  It’s more than an opinion, it’s a belief. I truly believe that a rebuilt B12 would add USF if WV is one of the leftovers. WV has history with the school. This is one important “fact” that many have overlooked. Is this a fact? Yes. Does this fact guarantee USF a spot? Who knows...

Like I said, so long as you don't pretend that USF is guaranteed a spot, as if it were a fact, then I have no beef.

(06-22-2017 09:59 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  It's pretty close to fact, seeing USF was in a conference with WVU for almost a decade and WVU recruits Florida hard.

WVU is not going to vote for New Mexico over USF/UCF. Sorry.

Moving the goalposts. Now you only claim to care about WV's vote.

One vote doesn't get you anything.

(06-20-2017 09:17 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  The leftovers aren't going to the AAC. Big 12 brand name >>>>> The American.

True. But the watered down Big 12 is no longer P4. It is now P4 and G6. Big 12 will be the best of G6 though.

(06-22-2017 10:03 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 09:43 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Eastern Division
Connecticut
Temple
West Virginia
Cincinnati
East Carolina
Memphis
Central Florida
South Florida

Southern Division
Iowa State
Kansas State
Colorado State
BYU
Boise State
Oklahoma State
Houston (replaces Baylor)
TCU

Too many. There are some tough decisions, but I think it would end up like this:

EAST Division
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Central Florida
South Florida
Memphis

WEST Division
Iowa State
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Baylor
TCU
Houston

BYU remains independent; Boise St. and CSU stay in the MWC.

AAC backfills with Rice, Southern Miss, Army, UMass, and Old Dominion. Wichita St. adds football.

EAST: Temple, ECU, Navy, Army, UMass, Old Dominion
WEST: Tulsa, SMU, Rice, Tulane, Southern Miss, Wichita St.

You don’t have enough schools…. They will definitely try to imitate the “Autonomous 4” and go past twelve in my opinion.

(06-21-2017 06:22 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 06:01 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 11:25 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(06-21-2017 11:19 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  Nothing wrong with thinking logically. But your post certainly seems to be emotionally driven, for your preferred school.

USF and UCF would be in the running.

I admit it is somewhat emotionally driven, but it's also rationally driven. Florida has 10X the population of New Mexico. Florida has 400 FBS recruits a year. New Mexico has about 5 a year. Tampa is the #13 market and Orlando is #19. Don't know what ABQ is, but it's way down there. Both schools have over 50,000 students. Both schools have proven to draw anywhere from 40,000 - 55,000 fans (upwards of 65,000 fans at Raymond James Stadium for big games against marquee opponents). Both have experience decent success. UCF winning Fiesta, and USF being former Big East having a history of frequent forays into the top 25 and finishing #19 last year.

Logically speaking, by any measure, New Mexico, or New Mexico like schools would not be a candidate over a USF/UCF combo.

Lot of emotion in what you are saying. Some things to consider:
New Mexico is a state flagship. USF isn't
In a state of 1/10 the population of Florida. Big deal. And, by the way, USF is on track to be one of 3 "pre-eminent" universities in Florida by this time next year, along with UF and FSU. Those are the 3 pre-eminent universities in Florida. Google USF pre-eminence.
New Mexico has a football stadium; USF doesn't.
Again, big deal. USF plays in a 65,000 seat stadium and has drawn over 50,000 for an entire season several times before. Has UNM ever? And, oh by the way, Miami also plays off campus.
New Mexico has been playing D1 football since 1890's; USF since 1999.
And? They've regularly sucked a lot of that time, so big deal. BTW, USF started in 1997 not 1999. Meanwhile, USF regularly makes entrances in the top 25. Has NM ever? When was the last time their football team was ranked in ANY poll?
New Mexico has a fanatical basketball following and a hostoric arena; USF gets a few thousand fans per game.
True, no argument there, however, basketball is not going to be the main driver.
New Mexico is the only game in town; USF has an NFL team or 3 and 3 P5 schools to contend with.
Again, they are the only game in town, in a tiny state, population wise, in a tiny market. Big deal. Means nothing. They still can't draw flies, so how exactly is that helping them?
New Mexico has 2 US Senators that would probably fight for them in the politics of college football. Florida has at least one Senator that would fight AGAINST USF.
This is speculation, at best. You have no facts to back this up.

Just giving you another perspective. As a ECU fan I understand how this stuff works. Maybe none of those points are valid to you...just offering some food for thought.

New Mexico averaged less than 19k per home game, USF averaged over 42k which is pretty good for a school that apparently doesn't have a stadium to play in
New Mexico has had 2 winning seasons the last 10 years...

My replies are in bold. The above arguments are not really valid.

(06-22-2017 10:11 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 10:03 AM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 09:43 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Eastern Division
Connecticut
Temple
West Virginia
Cincinnati
East Carolina
Memphis
Central Florida
South Florida

Southern Division
Iowa State
Kansas State
Colorado State
BYU
Boise State
Oklahoma State
Houston (replaces Baylor)
TCU

Too many. There are some tough decisions, but I think it would end up like this:

EAST Division
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Central Florida
South Florida
Memphis

WEST Division
Iowa State
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Baylor
TCU
Houston

BYU remains independent; Boise St. and CSU stay in the MWC.

AAC backfills with Rice, Southern Miss, Army, UMass, and Old Dominion. Wichita St. adds football.

EAST: Temple, ECU, Navy, Army, UMass, Old Dominion
WEST: Tulsa, SMU, Rice, Tulane, Southern Miss, Wichita St.

You don’t have enough schools…. They will definitely try to imitate the “Autonomous 4” and go past twelve in my opinion.

The money won't be there to extend beyond 12 members.

(06-22-2017 10:10 AM)ArQ Wrote:  

(06-20-2017 09:17 AM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  The leftovers aren't going to the AAC. Big 12 brand name >>>>> The American.

True. But the watered down Big 12 is no longer P4. It is now P4 and G6. Big 12 will be the best of G6 though.

And at worst more geographically friendly.

The opportunity to play a similar (or better) level of competition in a more regional conference would be appealing to some (including UH).

(06-22-2017 10:08 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(06-22-2017 08:34 AM)Underdog Wrote:  It’s more than an opinion, it’s a belief. I truly believe that a rebuilt B12 would add USF if WV is one of the leftovers. WV has history with the school. This is one important “fact” that many have overlooked. Is this a fact? Yes. Does this fact guarantee USF a spot? Who knows...

Like I said, so long as you don't pretend that USF is guaranteed a spot, as if it were a fact, then I have no beef.

(06-22-2017 09:59 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  It's pretty close to fact, seeing USF was in a conference with WVU for almost a decade and WVU recruits Florida hard.

WVU is not going to vote for New Mexico over USF/UCF. Sorry.

Moving the goalposts. Now you only claim to care about WV's vote.

One vote doesn't get you anything.

I don't think USF is guaranteed a spot. But if the choice is USF or UNM, then yes, I do believe USF would be guaranteed a spot at that point. And, rather easily. For all the reasons that have been stated, so I am not going to repeat them.