There's been endless discussion of ACC expansion on this board. It focuses upon candidates that, in my opinion, run from unlikely (Cincy) to absurd (Oklahoma). Why don't we talk about a far more realistic proposition.

Imagine it's ten years from now, 2027. The ACC's composition is the same as it is now. The ACC Commissioner is approached by the chancellor of a school. This chancellor has talked off and on with the ACC Commissioner for a few years. The ACC has been polite but noncommittal. The chancellor tells the ACC Commissioner that circumstances have changed. This school has been in talks with the SEC. The chancellor says that a formal offer to join the SEC will come soon. However, the chancellor says that the ACC is the school's dream conference. The chancellor reminds the ACC Commissioner of some facts he knows well. The school is very much in the ACC's footprint. The school is large (over 35,000 students) and growing. It's located in a large and rapidly growing metro area that lacks a P5 school. The school is extremely ambitious athletically. It's been rapidly improving its facilities, attendance and athletic performance for more than 15 years. It's a leap to the P5 level but they're ready. The chancellor tells the ACC Commissioner that he knows there has been particularly strong opposition to this school joining the ACC coming from a couple of ACC schools but that he can make it politically impractical for those schools to oppose adding this school -- remember how Va. Tech overcame U.Va's opposition. The chancellor tells the ACC Commissioner that several ACC schools may want to avoid having to recruit against this school but reminds him that's going to happen anyway if this school joins the SEC. The chancellor tells the ACC Commissioner that he knows he can't really bring many new TVs viewers to the ACC but that he can take them away if his school goes to the SEC.

In case you haven't figured it out already, the school is UNC-Charlotte. The schools that might be most opposed to bringing in UNC-C would be UNC- Chapel Hill and NCSU but that opposition may become politically impossible.

Anything implausible about the scenario I'm presenting? In fact, isn't it likely?

What would you say the ACC should do if faced with this situation? I'm almost certain you don't want to add UNC-C but to paraphrase Lyndon Johnson, do you want them outside the tent peeing in or inside the tent peeing out?

IF it really looks like they are about to get invited to join the SEC, maybe... But even then, 5 schools in North Carolina?

Hopefully if it ever comes to UNC-Charlotte being a realistic candidate for the ACC we are off to greener pastures.

Let them go, it would mean that something happened to the SEC to make them that desperate. Pick up whoever is leaving.

A lot of buildup for nothing.

(06-18-2017 03:03 PM)Hallcity Wrote:  There's been endless discussion of ACC expansion on this board. It focuses upon candidates that, in my opinion, run from unlikely (Cincy) to absurd (Oklahoma). Why don't we talk about a far more realistic proposition.

Imagine it's ten years from now, 2027. The ACC's composition is the same as it is now. The ACC Commissioner is approached by the chancellor of a school. This chancellor has talked off and on with the ACC Commissioner for a few years. The ACC has been polite but noncommittal. The chancellor tells the ACC Commissioner that circumstances have changed. This school has been in talks with the SEC. The chancellor says that a formal offer to join the SEC will come soon. However, the chancellor says that the ACC is the school's dream conference. The chancellor reminds the ACC Commissioner of some facts he knows well. The school is very much in the ACC's footprint. The school is large (over 35,000 students) and growing. It's located in a large and rapidly growing metro area that lacks a P5 school. The school is extremely ambitious athletically. It's been rapidly improving its facilities, attendance and athletic performance for more than 15 years. It's a leap to the P5 level but they're ready. The chancellor tells the ACC Commissioner that he knows there has been particularly strong opposition to this school joining the ACC coming from a couple of ACC schools but that he can make it politically impractical for those schools to oppose adding this school -- remember how Va. Tech overcame U.Va's opposition. The chancellor tells the ACC Commissioner that several ACC schools may want to avoid having to recruit against this school but reminds him that's going to happen anyway if this school joins the SEC. The chancellor tells the ACC Commissioner that he knows he can't really bring many new TVs viewers to the ACC but that he can take them away if his school goes to the SEC.

In case you haven't figured it out already, the school is UNC-Charlotte. The schools that might be most opposed to bringing in UNC-C would be UNC- Chapel Hill and NCSU but that opposition may become politically impossible.

Anything implausible about the scenario I'm presenting? In fact, isn't it likely?

What would you say the ACC should do if faced with this situation? I'm almost certain you don't want to add UNC-C but to paraphrase Lyndon Johnson, do you want them outside the tent peeing in or inside the tent peeing out?

To quote John McEnroe: "You can't be serious!"

If the ACC wants a urban state school...invite USF or UCF.

Cincy is a much better choice over another school next to Greensboro.

(06-18-2017 06:03 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  If the ACC wants a urban state school...invite USF or UCF.

Cincy is a much better choice over another school next to Greensboro.

+100,000!

The SEC isn't likely to be interested in the #7 school from NC.

The schools outside of NC are more likely to be opposed to another school from NC than the existing NC schools.

It would still be better for the ACC to add a school from a more populous state like Florida, New York or Pennsylvania.

(06-18-2017 06:06 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-18-2017 06:03 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  If the ACC wants a urban state school...invite USF or UCF.

Cincy is a much better choice over another school next to Greensboro.

+100,000!

They are all huge money losers.

Few schools do anything other than add more dead weight to the lowest payout. Big East part 2 is not the way to go.

I thought you may be saying UCF but UNCC is laughable! Are you on drugs???

No partials, no football only, no basketball only; ND is enough. If there is a chance for expansion, WVU or Texas should be the only target the ACC offers. Maybe Cincy but those 3 are the only programs that bring in both football and basketball success.

No way the other NON NC footballs want a 5th NC team. I doubt Duke and Wake would vote even vote for it. There is only one partial I would want, Navy football only. ACC BB tournament works fine with 15 & 16 for football works. If that is what it takes to get ND in as full member, so be it. Otherwise, ND and Texas school makes the most sense. Unless something changes, I don't see ND joining anytime soon. If they did.

Heare is my view

The dream
ND and Texas

My guess what happens
IF ND wants Navy
ND and Navy

B12 Leftover and Navy says no
ND and TCU

AAC Texas Team but doubt ND would even join to allow this to happen
ND & Houston or SMU

Houston doesn't fit in the ACC, only time we play you dudes is in bowl games mostly and that's worked good enough...

Best Expansion Options (IMHO, and assuming no teams will ever be available from the B1G or SEC):
1. Notre Dame + Texas
2. Notre Dame + Oklahoma
3. Notre Dame + Kansas
4. Notre Dame + W Virginia

(06-19-2017 11:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Best Expansion Options (IMHO, and assuming no teams will ever be available from the B1G or SEC):
1. Notre Dame + Texas
2. Notre Dame + Oklahoma
3. Notre Dame + Kansas
4. Notre Dame + W Virginia

Sign me up for #1 or #4.

(06-19-2017 03:52 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:44 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Best Expansion Options (IMHO, and assuming no teams will ever be available from the B1G or SEC):
1. Notre Dame + Texas
2. Notre Dame + Oklahoma
3. Notre Dame + Kansas
4. Notre Dame + W Virginia

Sign me up for #1 or #4.

I like #4 best only because I'm a huge fan regionalism. Throw in Cincinnati and Connecticut for 18 and I'd be excited! Many of y'all probably wouldn't be lol

(06-19-2017 11:16 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  No way the other NON NC footballs want a 5th NC team. I doubt Duke and Wake would vote even vote for it. There is only one partial I would want, Navy football only. ACC BB tournament works fine with 15 & 16 for football works. If that is what it takes to get ND in as full member, so be it. Otherwise, ND and Texas school makes the most sense. Unless something changes, I don't see ND joining anytime soon. If they did.

Heare is my view

The dream
ND and Texas

My guess what happens
IF ND wants Navy
ND and Navy

B12 Leftover and Navy says no
ND and TCU

AAC Texas Team but doubt ND would even join to allow this to happen
ND & Houston or SMU

What if Notre Dame agrees to join ACC with Texas on the condition that Texas can bring two other Texan schools with them? Will ACC go to 18 for ND and Texas?

(06-20-2017 11:38 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:16 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  No way the other NON NC footballs want a 5th NC team. I doubt Duke and Wake would vote even vote for it. There is only one partial I would want, Navy football only. ACC BB tournament works fine with 15 & 16 for football works. If that is what it takes to get ND in as full member, so be it. Otherwise, ND and Texas school makes the most sense. Unless something changes, I don't see ND joining anytime soon. If they did.

Heare is my view

The dream
ND and Texas

My guess what happens
IF ND wants Navy
ND and Navy

B12 Leftover and Navy says no
ND and TCU

AAC Texas Team but doubt ND would even join to allow this to happen
ND & Houston or SMU

What if Notre Dame agrees to join ACC with Texas on the condition that Texas can bring two other Texan schools with them? Will ACC go to 18 for ND and Texas?

If it brings me ACC payout equal to the SEC and BIG, I don't see why not...

(06-20-2017 11:38 PM)ArQ Wrote:  

(06-19-2017 11:16 AM)msm96wolf Wrote:  No way the other NON NC footballs want a 5th NC team. I doubt Duke and Wake would vote even vote for it. There is only one partial I would want, Navy football only. ACC BB tournament works fine with 15 & 16 for football works. If that is what it takes to get ND in as full member, so be it. Otherwise, ND and Texas school makes the most sense. Unless something changes, I don't see ND joining anytime soon. If they did.

Heare is my view

The dream
ND and Texas

My guess what happens
IF ND wants Navy
ND and Navy

B12 Leftover and Navy says no
ND and TCU

AAC Texas Team but doubt ND would even join to allow this to happen
ND & Houston or SMU

What if Notre Dame agrees to join ACC with Texas on the condition that Texas can bring two other Texan schools with them? Will ACC go to 18 for ND and Texas?

The ACC would be dumb not to. ND, Texas + 2 of TT, TCU, Baylor & Houston. Maybe go to 20 with WV & Cincinnati. 4 5 team pods.