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RE: Who should the Big Sky try to get for twelve.
Northern Colorado may wind up in the Summit,since they play both baseball and football. Of course if the Summit starts football, it means leaving the MVFC.

The Big Sky would be wise to shed a member rather than expand. If the WAC loses a member, the Big Sky should offer football-only membership to one school that joins the WAC. The map may say Northern Arizona, Sacramento State, or Northern Colorado, but academics say Southern Utah gets volunteered.
06-17-2017 01:14 PM
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I would love for Sac State to have our Olys in the WAC...or BW. Either spot would be much better than the BSC.
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RE: Who should the Big Sky try to get for twelve.
The most likely "expansion" moves of the Big Sky are seeing Portland State to the door if they cannot keep football (hello WAC), or watching Sac State switch Olympics to the Big West as the 12th there (this requires UC San Diego and Cal State Bakersfield to join as a pair first).

The Big Sky is happy to see North Dakota leave. It was a badly failed marriage. They were just too far out of footprint -- institutionally there was never an issue --- but the travel did not work for anyone. There wont be another central time zone experiment.

The negative impacts of North Dakota extended far beyond the travel issue. Having to schedule 8 football games for them meant several traditional games Big Sky schools used to play in football were dropped. This was very unpopular. In Basketball some home and home series were broken by expansion.

An odd number in football is no different than they are right now, and it works fine. Big Sky schools are in demand to fill home game slots of MWC, Pac-12 and western independents BYU and NMSU. Those "byes" often translate into a revenue game. So there is no great clamoring to get to an even number. (Remember this is FCS with no CCG, simply all schools trying to get one of the 24 Playoff bids).

In Basketball (and Volleyball) 11 may actually be a good number, with conferences moving to 20 games, as this can restore a full double round robin schedule. With the MWC also at 11 (and with Steve Fisher retired maybe will revisit 20 games as well), there is a potential partner to fill some of those byes. Soccer will be at 10, so no issue; Softball could use an affiliate, and the rest are individual sports where the conference simply provides a meet. (Tennis is odd, but who cares, nobody realigns for Tennis)

Except for a fixation on numbers divisible by two, there really is not a compelling reason or need to expand. The revenue is limited and adding an additional member simply means splitting the pie one more way. It also means breaking more rivalry games. The indigestion of going out of footprint (UND) and lowering standards (SUU) combined with the false promises of Doug Fullerton about significant revenue increases and greater exposure from these compromises is fresh on the mind of these Presidents. I just don't see any move coming for many years,
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Maybe Central Washington steps up? Does anyone know if Western Washington ever plans to bring football back? Is Western Oregon interested in D1?
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(06-17-2017 02:12 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  The most likely "expansion" moves of the Big Sky are seeing Portland State to the door if they cannot keep football (hello WAC), or watching Sac State switch Olympics to the Big West as the 12th there (this requires UC San Diego and Cal State Bakersfield to join as a pair first).

The Big Sky is happy to see North Dakota leave. It was a badly failed marriage. They were just too far out of footprint -- institutionally there was never an issue --- but the travel did not work for anyone. There wont be another central time zone experiment.

The negative impacts of North Dakota extended far beyond the travel issue. Having to schedule 8 football games for them meant several traditional games Big Sky schools used to play in football were dropped. This was very unpopular. In Basketball some home and home series were broken by expansion.

An odd number in football is no different than they are right now, and it works fine. Big Sky schools are in demand to fill home game slots of MWC, Pac-12 and western independents BYU and NMSU. Those "byes" often translate into a revenue game. So there is no graet clamoring to get to an even number. (Remember this is FCS with no CCG, simply all schools trying to get one of the 24 Playoff bids).

In Basketball (and Volleyball) 11 may actually be a good number, with conferences moving to 20 game, as this can restore a full double round robin schedule. With the MWC also at 11 (and with Steve Fisher retired maybe will revist 20 games as well), there is a potential partner to fill some of those byes. Soccer will be at 10, so no issue; Softball could use an affiliate, and the rest are individual sports where the conference simply provides a meet. (Tennis is odd, but who cares, nobody realigns for Tennis)

Except for a fixation on numbers divisible by two, there really is not a compelling reason or need to expand. The revenue is limited and adding an additional member simply means splitting the pie one more teim. It also means breaking more rivalry games. The indigestion of going out of footprint (UND) and lowering standards (SUU) combined with the false promises of Doug Fullerton about significant revenue increases and greater exposure from these compromises is fresh on the mind of these Presidents. I just don't see any move coming for many years,

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RE: Who should the Big Sky try to get for twelve.
I missed the news, sorry guys, but who left the big sky? I know that North Dakota announced 6 months ago they were leaving.
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(06-17-2017 02:19 PM)luvyosef Wrote:  Maybe Central Washington steps up? Does anyone know if Western Washington ever plans to bring football back? Is Western Oregon interested in D1?


Big Sky and the WAC should save the GNAC football group by given them a home in D1.
Simon Fraser
Central Washington
Western Oregon
Azusa Pacific
Humboldt State

As for Western Washington? The rumor was they dropped football so that they can save money for them to go D1, and maybe re-add the sport in the future.
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(06-17-2017 10:36 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  I don't think they go to 12, but rather shed UNC to the Summit to be at 10.
Unless Sac. St wanted to go to the WAC for a much easier travel situation.

That's a good idea really.

Get into a conference with an instate school that can be a travel partner for you.
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(06-17-2017 02:29 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I missed the news, sorry guys, but who left the big sky? I know that North Dakota announced 6 months ago they were leaving.

That's what I was thinking. Doesn't that mean they will have 13 football members after North Dakota leaves? And this year they would still be at 13, since Idaho doesn't come in until 2018 and ND doesn't join the MVFC until 2020 (unless I'm reading that wrong). Or will ND be independent until then?
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RE: Who should the Big Sky try to get for twelve.
How about Simon Fraser University?

-35,000 students
-$402 million dollar endowment
-Vancouver market

Maybe the would be open to moving up.

Either that or look at a California or Colorado school.
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