http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minneso...spartanntp

Minnesota officer acquitted of crime in shooting in Minneapolis that provoked riots around the country when it happened. Jury found him not quilty of 2nd degree manslaughter.

So glad I don't have to go into the cities today.

No Justice
No Somethingorother

(06-16-2017 03:38 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  No Justice
No Somethingorother

Tensing should be wrapping up soon. Guessing not guilty or hung jury.

The charges were stupid. The prosecution was trying to convince people that, although clearly Castille had his gun out and on his lap or in his hand at the time of the shooting, they said there should have been no way for the officer to know that.

(06-16-2017 03:39 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 03:38 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  No Justice
No Somethingorother

Tensing should be wrapping up soon. Guessing not guilty or hung jury.

Should be with the over charge again...never know though with how poisoned that jury pool was.

The prosecutors getting shot down yesterday on a lesser charge request to the judge indicates this is going to be a pick em.

Wow. Not expected. This will probably not end well. I thought the evidence pointed towards conviction but I know that the judge basically says "This is what you are judging, and and only this" so I am of no position to think other than this is an appropriate ruling.

Good thing I am west from the city now to commute home.

This is not good.

(06-16-2017 04:36 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Wow. Not expected. This will probably not end well. I thought the evidence pointed towards conviction but I know that the judge basically says "This is what you are judging, and and only this" so I am of no position to think other than this is an appropriate ruling.

Good thing I am west from the city now to commute home.

From the article, I don't see how he could be convicted of any crime. Bad judgement definitely, but not a crime.

(06-16-2017 04:37 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  This is not good.

Correct. Prosecuting and overcharging is not good. When will these guys learn?

(06-16-2017 04:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 04:36 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Wow. Not expected. This will probably not end well. I thought the evidence pointed towards conviction but I know that the judge basically says "This is what you are judging, and and only this" so I am of no position to think other than this is an appropriate ruling.

Good thing I am west from the city now to commute home.

From the article, I don't see how he could be convicted of any crime. Bad judgement definitely, but not a crime.

Agree.

He shouldn't have a future in law enforcement but nothing he did was criminal.

(06-16-2017 04:36 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Wow. Not expected. This will probably not end well. I thought the evidence pointed towards conviction but I know that the judge basically says "This is what you are judging, and and only this" so I am of no position to think other than this is an appropriate ruling.

Good thing I am west from the city now to commute home.

Also not expected! Maybe heard it wrong, but the audio of the event certainly seemed to indicate that he was reaching for his wallet and no gun was visible.

Wasn't on jury though, so maybe they saw and heard things beyond what I've seen.

Just checked startribune, at least as of now they are not reporting any rioting or highways blocked. That certainly could change ...

(06-16-2017 04:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  From the article, I don't see how he could be convicted of any crime. Bad judgement definitely, but not a crime.

That's definitely the argument. Also could make an argument that we (society, the jury, etc.) should lean on the side of not setting a precedent that allows officers to come under criminal conduct for shooting someone.

I guess it comes down to a frank discussion of if an accidental killing is actually a crime and/or should it be?

(06-16-2017 04:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Agree.

He shouldn't have a future in law enforcement but nothing he did was criminal.

Already fired from the dept that he was working for. No idea if he'll get picked up again ... but could be a dept in suburbs or rural MN that has a conservative chief and doesn't mind the publicity.

(06-16-2017 04:55 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 04:50 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Agree.

He shouldn't have a future in law enforcement but nothing he did was criminal.

Already fired from the dept that he was working for. No idea if he'll get picked up again ... but could be a dept in suburbs or rural MN that has a conservative chief and doesn't mind the publicity.

Doubtful.


MAYBE if he moves out of state.....and by out of state I'm talking somewhere like Texas or a Southwestern state where a name like Jeronimo Yanez wouldn't draw attention. Even then I don't know of too many Chiefs or Sheriffs who would willingly take on the risk of a potential PR hit despite the acquittal, not to mention we don't have any idea of the justification his former agency used in terminating him.

Sadly the officer was fired after being acquitted. Totally disgusting.

(06-16-2017 05:50 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Sadly the officer was fired after being acquitted. Totally disgusting.

It's easy to blame the officer. But once again, it is training/policy/procedure that failed.

They charged him because they said "no reasonable officer would" but the jury did not buy that and probably rightly so. Because nearly any officer would have drawn down on the guy in that situation and they are trained to do so.

But the passenger also did nothing wrong other than reach innocently for his wallet.

The officer thought he was pulling out a gun....the passenger thought the officer was telling him not to pull out a gun...which he wasn't. Miscommunication = death = bad procedures....not bad officer.

And they let him swing in the wind and terminated him rather than deal with that. Because training/procedures/policies cannot be questioned.

(06-16-2017 06:15 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 05:50 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Sadly the officer was fired after being acquitted. Totally disgusting.

It's easy to blame the officer. But once again, it is training/policy/procedure that failed.

They charged him because they said "no reasonable officer would" but the jury did not buy that and probably rightly so. Because nearly any officer would have drawn down on the guy in that situation and they are trained to do so.

But the passenger also did nothing wrong other than reach innocently for his wallet.

The officer thought he was pulling out a gun....the passenger thought the officer was telling him not to pull out a gun...which he wasn't. Miscommunication = death = bad procedures....not bad officer.

And they let him swing in the wind and terminated him rather than deal with that. Because training/procedures/policies cannot be questioned.

You forgot your badge.

(06-16-2017 06:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 06:15 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 05:50 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Sadly the officer was fired after being acquitted. Totally disgusting.

It's easy to blame the officer. But once again, it is training/policy/procedure that failed.

They charged him because they said "no reasonable officer would" but the jury did not buy that and probably rightly so. Because nearly any officer would have drawn down on the guy in that situation and they are trained to do so.

But the passenger also did nothing wrong other than reach innocently for his wallet.

The officer thought he was pulling out a gun....the passenger thought the officer was telling him not to pull out a gun...which he wasn't. Miscommunication = death = bad procedures....not bad officer.

And they let him swing in the wind and terminated him rather than deal with that. Because training/procedures/policies cannot be questioned.

You forgot your badge.

Your act is getting stale.

You have nothing real to say because I challenge your religion. Policy and procedure are a religious dogma and can't be questioned. They are even more important than cops freedom, reputation, or career.

(06-16-2017 06:44 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 06:38 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 06:15 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 05:50 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  Sadly the officer was fired after being acquitted. Totally disgusting.

It's easy to blame the officer. But once again, it is training/policy/procedure that failed.

They charged him because they said "no reasonable officer would" but the jury did not buy that and probably rightly so. Because nearly any officer would have drawn down on the guy in that situation and they are trained to do so.

But the passenger also did nothing wrong other than reach innocently for his wallet.

The officer thought he was pulling out a gun....the passenger thought the officer was telling him not to pull out a gun...which he wasn't. Miscommunication = death = bad procedures....not bad officer.

And they let him swing in the wind and terminated him rather than deal with that. Because training/procedures/policies cannot be questioned.

You forgot your badge.

Your act is getting stale.

You have nothing real to say because I challenge your religion. Policy and procedure are a religious dogma and can't be questioned. They are even more important than cops freedom, reputation, or career.

Fake news, Kap is one of the best on this board.

Isn't this the case where the video picks up after he reached for the gun and the shooting had already happened? If so, what is the outrage based on? Is there another video or key piece of evidence I'm missing?