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RE: Composite rankings preseason of all 130 1-A schools
(06-16-2017 02:12 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  
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(06-16-2017 12:24 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  Quick informal poll... will this season be top heavy again like the past three seasons?

This conference has always been a barbell. A bunch of good teams on one side, and a bunch of bad teams on the other, not much in the middle. I expect to see the same continue.

I wouldn't say barbell but I get your point. 30% of the teams are really good and the rest is fighting for 6 wins. Since 2013 when we came its always been two on one side two or three on the other side. Barbell insinuates that all the good teams would be in one division.

Well, they are. The East Division has WKU, MTSU, ODU and Marshall (when they get it together). FAU always has potential. Sorry FIU. until you get rid of that joke AD, you guys are screwed.

The West is a freakin' cake walk. LT should win that divison going away every year. Southern Miss should be good, but they are still trying to get over the Ellis Johnson screw up. UTSA...maybe? I think they are the darkhorse to win the league this year. But beyond that....?

How's this for a stat? Since the start of the league in 1996, only two teams currently in the West have won the title, Rice in 2013 and Southern Miss (and they weren't in the East when they won it)
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RE: Composite rankings preseason of all 130 1-A schools
(06-16-2017 07:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  But the key is OOC and when you over schedule it's bad for the conference.

One of those doing just that is Rice...be lucky to get 1 win out of the 4


08/26 - Stanford (in Australia)
09/16 - at Houston
09/30 - at Pittsburgh
10/07 - Army

Nothing wrong with this schedule. The problem is the program under Bailiff and Karlgaard.

No shortage of threads on scheduling local rivals (Houston). Another thread is critical of the North Texas move to drop Army. Stanford is the back half of a home and home, and maybe the move to Sydney raises cash for the Bailiff buyout. The only buy game is Pittsburgh, a P5 that a good G5 should beat.

I am not sure who Bailiff could have on the schedule, short of Prairie View A&M, that would be a Rice win this year. Better the losses come to good opponents rather than Sunbelt bottom feeders.
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RE: Composite rankings preseason of all 130 1-A schools
(06-17-2017 02:48 AM)topperfan84 Wrote:  
(06-16-2017 02:12 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  
(06-16-2017 01:09 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(06-16-2017 12:24 PM)pilot172000 Wrote:  Quick informal poll... will this season be top heavy again like the past three seasons?

This conference has always been a barbell. A bunch of good teams on one side, and a bunch of bad teams on the other, not much in the middle. I expect to see the same continue.

I wouldn't say barbell but I get your point. 30% of the teams are really good and the rest is fighting for 6 wins. Since 2013 when we came its always been two on one side two or three on the other side. Barbell insinuates that all the good teams would be in one division.

Well, they are. The East Division has WKU, MTSU, ODU and Marshall (when they get it together). FAU always has potential. Sorry FIU. until you get rid of that joke AD, you guys are screwed.

The West is a freakin' cake walk. LT should win that divison going away every year. Southern Miss should be good, but they are still trying to get over the Ellis Johnson screw up. UTSA...maybe? I think they are the darkhorse to win the league this year. But beyond that....?

How's this for a stat? Since the start of the league in 1996, only two teams currently in the West have won the title, Rice in 2013 and Southern Miss (and they weren't in the East when they won it)

03-lmfao How's this for a stat, since start of the league in 1996 only two teams have won the east title Marshall and WKU. Maybe because the majority of the teams are new
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How's this for a stat? Since 2014, every team in the West has represented CUSA in at least one bowl game.

The East? Not so much. Last bowl appearances for FIU (2011 Sun Belt), FAU (2008 Sun Belt) and Charlotte (never).

Imagine how much better the West teams records would be if we could pad them with three gimme wins every year.
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(06-17-2017 12:18 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  How's this for a stat? Since 2014, every team in the West has represented CUSA in at least one bowl game.

The East? Not so much. Last bowl appearances for FIU (2011 Sun Belt), FAU (2008 Sun Belt) and Charlotte (never).

Imagine how much better the West teams records would be if we could pad them with three gimme wins every year.

To be fair, I believe that the East has won the head-to-head every year since 2014. I think the last time the West had the upper hand was in 2013. Someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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(06-17-2017 12:18 PM)UNT15 Wrote:  How's this for a stat? Since 2014, every team in the West has represented CUSA in at least one bowl game.

The East? Not so much. Last bowl appearances for FIU (2011 Sun Belt), FAU (2008 Sun Belt) and Charlotte (never).

Imagine how much better the West teams records would be if we could pad them with three gimme wins every year.

To be fair isn't UNT one of those gimme wins? Lets be honest the only fans excited about UNT going to a bowl last year were UNT. A 5 win team should not be bowling. Other than the 2013 season UNT has been one of the worse team in FBS over the last 12 years. Just as I said...gimme win.

Since 2014....

UNT 3.3-9
FAU 3-9
FIU 4.3 -7.6


Wins over the last 10 years

UNT
2016 CUSA 5
2015 CUSA 1
2014 CUSA 4
2013 CUSA 9
2012 Sun Belt 4
2011 Sun Belt 5
2010 Sun Belt 3
2009 Sun Belt 2
2008 Sun Belt 1
2007 Sun Belt 2

FIU
2016 CUSA 4
2015 CUSA 5
2014 CUSA 4
2013 CUSA 1
2012 Sun Belt 3
2011 Sun Belt 8
2010 Sun Belt 7
2009 Sun Belt 3
2008 Sun Belt 5
2007 Sun Belt 1

FAU
2016 CUSA 3
2015 CUSA 3
2014 CUSA 3
2013 CUSA 6
2012 Sun Belt 3
2011 Sun Belt 1
2010 Sun Belt 4
2009 Sun Belt 5
2008 Sun Belt 7
2007 Sun Belt 8
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UNT pumping their chest for getting to a bowl at 5-7? give me a break!
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(06-17-2017 07:25 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(06-16-2017 07:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  But the key is OOC and when you over schedule it's bad for the conference.

One of those doing just that is Rice...be lucky to get 1 win out of the 4


08/26 - Stanford (in Australia)
09/16 - at Houston
09/30 - at Pittsburgh
10/07 - Army

Nothing wrong with this schedule. The problem is the program under Bailiff and Karlgaard.

No shortage of threads on scheduling local rivals (Houston). Another thread is critical of the North Texas move to drop Army. Stanford is the back half of a home and home, and maybe the move to Sydney raises cash for the Bailiff buyout. The only buy game is Pittsburgh, a P5 that a good G5 should beat.

I am not sure who Bailiff could have on the schedule, short of Prairie View A&M, that would be a Rice win this year. Better the losses come to good opponents rather than Sunbelt bottom feeders.

Rice (like any program who aims to compete for the conference title) schedules to position for the playoff. I'm not saying we'll run the table in OOC this year (we won't) but we won the league in 2013 and we'll win it again. If we have a playoff caliber team one year then we'll have the schedule to prove it on the field and the (biased) CFP committee will have a hard time keeping us out.

Meantime our 2-time defending league champion has Vandy, Illinois, Ball St, and Eastern KY. That might get you the G5 access spot, if you can manage to beat Vandy and Illinois. But you're already locked out of the playoff.

Last year Houston ran the table OOC against two true national contenders. They did the hard part of being the first G5 to make the playoff (just couldn't seal the deal in conference)

We've got the same number of weak P5 wins as WKU this decade (3) and since our 2012 Bowl run started we're 7-1 against teams currently in the other top G5s (MWC and AAC). We do ok "scheduling 'up'"

We schedule like we intend to represent the conference. If WKU keeps their program strong would love to see you guys teeing it up every year. Hell you played Alabama tougher than about anybody a couple years ago, and took on LSU last year. I know it's hard to schedule that kind of program every year but it's too bad you don't have somebody like on tap this year.
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(06-18-2017 07:19 AM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(06-17-2017 07:25 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  
(06-16-2017 07:32 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  But the key is OOC and when you over schedule it's bad for the conference.

One of those doing just that is Rice...be lucky to get 1 win out of the 4


08/26 - Stanford (in Australia)
09/16 - at Houston
09/30 - at Pittsburgh
10/07 - Army

Nothing wrong with this schedule. The problem is the program under Bailiff and Karlgaard.

No shortage of threads on scheduling local rivals (Houston). Another thread is critical of the North Texas move to drop Army. Stanford is the back half of a home and home, and maybe the move to Sydney raises cash for the Bailiff buyout. The only buy game is Pittsburgh, a P5 that a good G5 should beat.

I am not sure who Bailiff could have on the schedule, short of Prairie View A&M, that would be a Rice win this year. Better the losses come to good opponents rather than Sunbelt bottom feeders.

Rice (like any program who aims to compete for the conference title) schedules to position for the playoff. I'm not saying we'll run the table in OOC this year (we won't) but we won the league in 2013 and we'll win it again. If we have a playoff caliber team one year then we'll have the schedule to prove it on the field and the (biased) CFP committee will have a hard time keeping us out.

Meantime our 2-time defending league champion has Vandy, Illinois, Ball St, and Eastern KY. That might get you the G5 access spot, if you can manage to beat Vandy and Illinois. But you're already locked out of the playoff.

Last year Houston ran the table OOC against two true national contenders. They did the hard part of being the first G5 to make the playoff (just couldn't seal the deal in conference)

We've got the same number of weak P5 wins as WKU this decade (3) and since our 2012 Bowl run started we're 7-1 against teams currently in the other top G5s (MWC and AAC). We do ok "scheduling 'up'"

We schedule like we intend to represent the conference. If WKU keeps their program strong would love to see you guys teeing it up every year. Hell you played Alabama tougher than about anybody a couple years ago, and took on LSU last year. I know it's hard to schedule that kind of program every year but it's too bad you don't have somebody like on tap this year.

Wins! if you think anything else matters, you're wrong. Getting beat by Bama does nothing for your team or the conference as a whole. Sure it's good to get wins over the blueblood schools. But that's not happening 90% of the time.

The only way this conference moves up the food chain (in respect) is OOC wins. Playing and beating more of the middle to lower P5 schools gives us that best shot.

You are fooling yourself if you think Rice can g undefeated with that schedule and get in the playoffs...NOT HAPPENING. Scheduling goals should be for the G5 NY6 game. To do that you need OOC wins. Schedule winnable games is the way you do that.

I understand schedules are made 3 or 4, or longer, out. But going off the last 3 seasons. Rice's schedule is for name only and not for the talent on that team. More than likely Rice will enter conference play sitting at 1-3 or probably 0-4.

That hurts this conference and even if the playoffs were in play (its not) it would take a strong conference to get there. Not just OOC. Wins...matter, for all of us when it comes to making the conference stronger.

With that I like the way Western is scheduling, winnable, games. Now it's up to Western to get those wins and not give them away. There is not a damn thing in Rice's history in the last 60+ years that should make any fan think they have a shot at a national championship.

I look at Rice's schedule and see, over scheduling. You see it different and that's OK. Guess by Oct we will see if that schedule pays off. I personally get nothing out of playing a Bama, as good as almost any other school.
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Tech used to have body bag schedules like this. We got hammered more often than not. One year we played Miami, Tennessee, and Auburn, all ranked. That was not uncommon for us in the 2000s. All this kind of scheduling does is pile on blowout losses, which can hurt a team's confidence.

Tech and WKU's 2017 schedules are what you want. Two not-so-great P5 teams that you might actually beat, a G5 team, and an FCS team (bonus points to both for playing teams they have history with). This kind of scheduling is how you go from conference contender to NY6 contender as long as you have a good team.

Rice's OOC schedule is brutal, and I would be surprised if they win any of those games. MTSU's is also bad. If they traded Minnesota for an FCS or G5 team it would be perfect, but playing 3 straight games against P5s to start the season with two straight on the road... ouch. If MTSU starts 0-3 that's hard for a team to rebound from mentally. Hopefully they'll win 1 or 2.
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