(06-16-2017 10:07 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 10:01 AM)WSUbballer Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 09:56 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  Last 5 years NCAA:

WSU: 10-5
Cincy: 2-5

I'm sure we're going to be in way over our head. After all, one of these teams has clearly shown it can't compete nationally.

That's not really fair because WSU has had favorable draws and seeds during that time span.

Ah. Well, if we broaden the scope and include all teams currently in the AAC, they do manage to get to 11 wins in that time frame. It did take them 13 bids to do it, and 6 of the wins are courtesy of UConn's title run (non UConn teams are a combined 4-12, holy choke-jobs).

I mean, Cincy lost to Creighton in the NCAA tournament. Do you know how hard that is to do? And then some Cincy fan wants to drop some weak-azz conference smack.

There is a reason WSU is in the AAC. You need our help, NCAA bids, and a team that won't choke once we get there.

These quotes will be great to revisit in Feb., when you have walked into numerous away gyms and had it handed to you.....

I love all this back and forth! I know ECU doesn't have a shot in hell to make any noise whatsoever, so I feel like I'm watching all of this from the outside.

Watching AAC basketball as an ECU fan is sort of like watching AAC football as a Wichita State fan.

(06-16-2017 03:34 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 10:07 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 10:01 AM)WSUbballer Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 09:56 AM)Wudizzle Wrote:  Last 5 years NCAA:

WSU: 10-5
Cincy: 2-5

I'm sure we're going to be in way over our head. After all, one of these teams has clearly shown it can't compete nationally.

That's not really fair because WSU has had favorable draws and seeds during that time span.

Ah. Well, if we broaden the scope and include all teams currently in the AAC, they do manage to get to 11 wins in that time frame. It did take them 13 bids to do it, and 6 of the wins are courtesy of UConn's title run (non UConn teams are a combined 4-12, holy choke-jobs).

I mean, Cincy lost to Creighton in the NCAA tournament. Do you know how hard that is to do? And then some Cincy fan wants to drop some weak-azz conference smack.

There is a reason WSU is in the AAC. You need our help, NCAA bids, and a team that won't choke once we get there.

These quotes will be great to revisit in Feb., when you have walked into numerous away gyms and had it handed to you.....

What part of his quote has anything to do with what you just posted? Are you suggesting WSU is NIT bound next year?

If so, your quotes are duly noted.

(06-16-2017 02:48 PM)WSUbballer Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 02:32 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:24 PM)AndShock Wrote:  Wichita State fans predicting a conference championship has nothing to do with perceptions about the AAC, it has everything to do with how good our team will be next year. The majority of WSU fans would predict a conference championship if we were in the Big XII, ACC, or Big Ten next year.

If you have any self-awareness at all, you will quickly learn not to doubt Gregg Marshall. Our MVC brethren never seemed to learn that and looked like fools year after year for about 10 years straight.

As a UConn fan, I have learned to never make predictions. We have been favored to win the national championship preseason and have crashed early. We had a season where we couldn't win the AAC regular season championship and then were a #7 seed in the NCAA Tourney (and ended up winning our 4th national title by toppling Kentucky). #ThankYouShabazz

It's fun to speculate in advance, but all that matters is where you are when your season ends.

Message boards may not be your thing then.

It is one thing to predict a solid year, it is another thing to start predicting conference titles and national championships.

Message boards are my thing, but I watch my words carefully since they can come back to bite you. What are your conference and national predictions for the Shockers? (I will be sure to bookmark this page for future use.)

13th in football

(06-16-2017 04:04 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  13th in football

They would be #1 in sunwacusa

(06-16-2017 03:15 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 02:13 PM)Moody Magic Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:28 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:23 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  1) Wichita State
2) UCF
3) Cincy
4) SMU
5) Temple
6) Uconn


13) Lebo

I mean the league is honestly going to be 8 deep with Houston and Tulsa also. I think this is likely the best year for the league hoops wise. Memphis is too unknown at the moment with all the turnover and there is some signs USF and Tulane are making progress. The lone dead weight is ECU. Their OOC is shameful.

It's going to be tough to beat the first year of the AAC. We had four teams (Louisville, UConn, Memphis and Cincy) in the NCAA. Three of the four won their first round game, Louisville advanced​ to the sweet 16 and of course UConn won the national championship. SMU was snubbed but still made it to the NIT Final.

Oh that was a strong year but after those 5 the league wasn't very good and it included a departing member. I feel like there is a good chance 4 make it and maybe a 5th this season with a couple hitting the NIT. Now maybe not a national title but who knows. Didn't see UConn making that run either so anything can happen. Wichita on paper does look very good. Could easily be a final 4 team.

Good points. And you're right, after the top five in our conference that year (Cincy, Louisville, UConn, Memphis and SMU) there was a big drop off. Temple had a terrible season.

I remember in a matter of months SMU joined the Big East, hired Larry Brown and announced the Moody renovation. For a HUGE basketball fan, I was in heaven. Even though we became the AAC and didn't get to play Georgetown, Nova, SH, Marquette and DePaul, I was still pumped about UConn, Louisville (for a year), Cincy and Temple coming to Moody each year. I still get just as excited when we play Temple as any school. I've always viewed Temple as one of the best basketball programs in the country.

(06-16-2017 03:50 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 02:48 PM)WSUbballer Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 02:32 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:24 PM)AndShock Wrote:  Wichita State fans predicting a conference championship has nothing to do with perceptions about the AAC, it has everything to do with how good our team will be next year. The majority of WSU fans would predict a conference championship if we were in the Big XII, ACC, or Big Ten next year.

If you have any self-awareness at all, you will quickly learn not to doubt Gregg Marshall. Our MVC brethren never seemed to learn that and looked like fools year after year for about 10 years straight.

As a UConn fan, I have learned to never make predictions. We have been favored to win the national championship preseason and have crashed early. We had a season where we couldn't win the AAC regular season championship and then were a #7 seed in the NCAA Tourney (and ended up winning our 4th national title by toppling Kentucky). #ThankYouShabazz

It's fun to speculate in advance, but all that matters is where you are when your season ends.

Message boards may not be your thing then.

It is one thing to predict a solid year, it is another thing to start predicting conference titles and national championships.

Message boards are my thing, but I watch my words carefully since they can come back to bite you. What are your conference and national predictions for the Shockers? (I will be sure to bookmark this page for future use.)

As posted in this thread, I'm on the record for 5th.

NIT Quarterfinals.

Quote:It is one thing to predict a solid year, it is another thing to start predicting conference titles and national championships.

Why? WGAF what people predict? Yes, it's all a shot in the dark and I'm pretty sure most people aren't putting their mortgages on those predictions, but seriously who cares?

Do you get this offended when people make Super Bowl predictions? NBA Finals predictions?

All you guys realize WSU is going to start the season likely ranked in the top 5 in the country, right?

(06-16-2017 04:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  All you guys realize WSU is going to start the season likely ranked in the top 5 in the country, right?

the ranking coming from a team returning that won a ridiculous amounts of games from scrubs,

remember when ecu came in football supposedly a big dog football and how they going to run the league..they were ranked too..we were werent c-usa

(06-16-2017 04:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 04:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  All you guys realize WSU is going to start the season likely ranked in the top 5 in the country, right?

the ranking coming from a team returning that won a ridiculous amounts of games from scrubs,

remember when ecu came in football supposedly a big dog football and how they going to run the league..they were ranked too..we were werent c-usa

One of the scrubs we beat by 41 points was ranked ahead of Houston in KenPom. Your beating is coming.

(06-16-2017 04:56 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 04:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  All you guys realize WSU is going to start the season likely ranked in the top 5 in the country, right?

the ranking coming from a team returning that won a ridiculous amounts of games from scrubs,

remember when ecu came in football supposedly a big dog football and how they going to run the league..they were ranked too..we were werent c-usa

You guys were still in CUSA exactly one year before ECU joined the AAC. One year, come on.

Well there are two realities at work here so that is why the discord
1) Wichita is a good team - really good. I don't think any credible poster could say they would finish in the bottom half of the AAC - and it is near a lock they will be in the top three.
2) The AAC > hidden valley conference by not just a little bit, but a whole bunch. Not only that, but the gyms are tough places to play more so than anything you have seen in conference. You can have a superior team in every way and still get spanked. Ask UConn in their national championship year how easy it is to play in Moody. And there are several gyms that are really tough spots. UC? crazy tough. UConn? Tulsa? Memphis? Temple? it is a murderers row of away gyms.

So i would expect Wichita to both do really well, and also lose several games and be number 2 or 3 in conference. Great coach and great post season team, so they could win the conference tournament this year.

(06-16-2017 05:23 PM)gostangs Wrote:  2) The AAC > hidden valley conference by not just a little bit, but a whole bunch. Not only that, but the gyms are tough places to play more so than anything you have seen in conference. You can have a superior team in every way and still get spanked. Ask UConn in their national championship year how easy it is to play in Moody. And there are several gyms that are really tough spots. UC? crazy tough. UConn? Tulsa? Memphis? Temple? it is a murderers row of away gyms.

The AAC is not a well-attended MBB conference, unless I'm missing something. It's weird you infer the above, because out of all the things I'm excited about, AAC away atmospheres aren't one of them (save a couple exceptions), and for good reason; the AAC and MVC are ranked one after the other in attendance - eighth and ninth, respectively. I mean, out of your list, Tulsa and and Temple would fit just fine in the MVC, attendance-wise. Tulsa in fact would drag down the MVC attendance average. We've played TU now each year for maybe close to ten years, and their home gym is a morgue.

We're all glad to be rid of the MVC, but it is a fairly historic conference where MBB comes first, and there are still some reasonable brands and MBB fan bases left. I'm not going to do all the data mining necessary for a hard number, but I would estimate that when WSU was in town, MVC home gyms were 80-90% capacity. We were the traveling roadshow; the ____-out date, promo night, bring the kids for $1 hot dogs game. Everyone else in the MVC's Super Bowl home game. Now we won't be, which is great because we might actually have tamer away crowds, believe it or not. Only the most hardcore of college basketball fans in the AAC will care when WSU comes to town, I would sure assume.

(06-16-2017 12:46 PM)WSUbballer Wrote:  If you're one of the outliers that thinks WSU isn't a Top 5 or Top 10 team going into the year, then I can understand the bottom half finish predictions. But most people, including WSU fans surprisingly, think they're gonna be pretty good regardless what league they're gonna be in. Again, that's not a slight on the AAC or its programs as it is more of a general faith and belief in WSU.

And who the hell knows how the season will play out. There's about 3 or 4 teams that can legitimately win the league this year. But to get all anal about WSU fans thinking their team is the early favorite based on Top 10 expectations is just insecurity bleeding out.

Hey, everyone here thinks Wichita is a fine addition to the league, particularly with y'all coming in with one of your best teams ever although it won't be a cakewalk. Keep in mind that most of the trolling here is good natured.

The AAC is not much different from most of the P5 conferences in that people show up for the name opponents and don't for lesser ones. I think Wichita St in the MV was probably sinilar to Gonzaga in the WCC, and Memphis in the old C-USA. It was the one game most opposing fans showed up for and cared about.

We all know Wichita St will be good next season but it is not like they are rolling out a bunch of 4 & 5 star future NBA guys. Without looking, I'd bet UConn, Cincy and Memphis all have rosters of higher ranked recruits than WSU. SMU might too. That coupled with the fact that most all of your road games will be played in full, hyped arenas (Cincy, UConn, SMU, Memphis, Temple, Tulsa) against teams with similar talent, it will not be easy to get wins in those places.

A good comparison would be two years ago when Gonzaga visited Moody. I talked to several of their fans at the game and they had no doubt the Zags would roll us.. We ended up beating them by about 12 and reading their message board they had no clue Moody was going to be that tough of a place to play and that our guys had the size and athleticism​ of a good P5 team. The top teams in our conference will all have similar​ athletes and environments.

You know who else has to go to Moody? Every other team we will be competing with for a conference championship. Will it be hard to win there? Sure. But it's not like our team is going to be pissing itself at every single road venue while the rest of the AAC goes HAM during every road game.

(06-16-2017 08:45 PM)AndShock Wrote:  You know who else has to go to Moody? Every other team we will be competing with for a conference championship. Will it be hard to win there? Sure. But it's not like our team is going to be pissing itself at every single road venue while the rest of the AAC goes HAM during every road game.

Again, I'm know your guys are used to hostile environments. I'm just pointing out that in the MV you were so much more talented than your opponents that it was much easier to overcome the home advantage. In AAC where the talent is much closer to what you have, the home advantage for your opponents will be more of a factor.

(06-16-2017 06:12 PM)SHOCK_value Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 05:23 PM)gostangs Wrote:  2) The AAC > hidden valley conference by not just a little bit, but a whole bunch. Not only that, but the gyms are tough places to play more so than anything you have seen in conference. You can have a superior team in every way and still get spanked. Ask UConn in their national championship year how easy it is to play in Moody. And there are several gyms that are really tough spots. UC? crazy tough. UConn? Tulsa? Memphis? Temple? it is a murderers row of away gyms.

The AAC is not a well-attended MBB conference, unless I'm missing something. It's weird you infer the above, because out of all the things I'm excited about, AAC away atmospheres aren't one of them (save a couple exceptions), and for good reason; the AAC and MVC are ranked one after the other in attendance - eighth and ninth, respectively. I mean, out of your list, Tulsa and and Temple would fit just fine in the MVC, attendance-wise. Tulsa in fact would drag down the MVC attendance average. We've played TU now each year for maybe close to ten years, and their home gym is a morgue.

We're all glad to be rid of the MVC, but it is a fairly historic conference where MBB comes first, and there are still some reasonable brands and MBB fan bases left. I'm not going to do all the data mining necessary for a hard number, but I would estimate that when WSU was in town, MVC home gyms were 80-90% capacity. We were the traveling roadshow; the ____-out date, promo night, bring the kids for $1 hot dogs game. Everyone else in the MVC's Super Bowl home game. Now we won't be, which is great because we might actually have tamer away crowds, believe it or not. Only the most hardcore of college basketball fans in the AAC will care when WSU comes to town, I would sure assume.

Lol at the Tulsa morgue comment. There is really only 2 places as an SMU fan that scare me on the road consistently (UConn and Cincy). Memphis if they were good probably would too. Now add WSU, but outside of that it is hit or miss. UCF, Tulsa or Temple might get up for a home game here or there, but nothing that is more scary than a run of the mill away game at a pretty solid teams gym.

I expect nothing less than a fantastic season of basketball in the AAC, with strong possibility of 4 teams being in the thick of challenging to win the regular season into February. I do feel confident that WSU will at least be one of those 4. WSU got the tough draw of the best AAC teams for a reason. That makes it somewhat less likely that WSU will take the regular season championship, along with the difficulty of playing strong competition in unfamiliar away games for the first time. It may be more than WSU can reasonably expect to rise above to win the AAC regular season outright. But it isn't improbable. And where ever we finish I feel even better about being ready to kickass in the postseason after having run the gauntlet of good to excellent AAC teams, and hope to do it along with several other AAC schools!