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(06-19-2017 09:34 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Word has been that Hockey will follow Lacrosse. Now that Lacrosse is a go, I'm excited for the prospects of Hockey following. I'm not sure which conference Lacrosse will join, but barring apAC offering the sports, it would be nice to place both in the same conference.
On the North Dakota board, there has been talk of Utes hockey too. Probably would have to add women's lacrosse too. That's a lot to digest so quickly.

A major endowment would be needed for hockey, but Utah is much more prepared for hockey than Ariz St is even now. UNLV, Colorado and Arizona have college ready rinks toof, but not on campus. It might lead to a major western expansion of the NCHC or a wholesale split of the NCHC.
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(06-19-2017 08:39 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  has there been any mention of when they will announce decision?

Would imagine a conference wouldn't off Utah at least til the second year of play. Most 1st yr lax teams are independent.
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(06-19-2017 09:41 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 09:34 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Word has been that Hockey will follow Lacrosse. Now that Lacrosse is a go, I'm excited for the prospects of Hockey following. I'm not sure which conference Lacrosse will join, but barring apAC offering the sports, it would be nice to place both in the same conference.
On the North Dakota board, there has been talk of Utes hockey too. Probably would have to add women's lacrosse too. That's a lot to digest so quickly.

A major endowment would be needed for hockey, but Utah is much more prepared for hockey than Ariz St is even now. UNLV, Colorado and Arizona have college ready rinks toof, but not on campus. It might lead to a major western expansion of the NCHC or a wholesale split of the NCHC.

For CU, I assume you are referring to the Budweiser Events Center in Loveland. That is 42 miles from the campus. If CU had hockey and played there, their games would have to scheduled around the Colorado Eagles' 36 home games and whatever concerts, etc., that are scheduled.

CU only participates in 5 of the 11 men's sports sponsored by the PAC12. It is far more likely that they would add those sports before hockey. Lacrosse is more likely, also.
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(06-20-2017 09:21 AM)lew240z Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 09:41 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(06-19-2017 09:34 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  Word has been that Hockey will follow Lacrosse. Now that Lacrosse is a go, I'm excited for the prospects of Hockey following. I'm not sure which conference Lacrosse will join, but barring apAC offering the sports, it would be nice to place both in the same conference.
On the North Dakota board, there has been talk of Utes hockey too. Probably would have to add women's lacrosse too. That's a lot to digest so quickly.

A major endowment would be needed for hockey, but Utah is much more prepared for hockey than Ariz St is even now. UNLV, Colorado and Arizona have college ready rinks toof, but not on campus. It might lead to a major western expansion of the NCHC or a wholesale split of the NCHC.

For CU, I assume you are referring to the Budweiser Events Center in Loveland. That is 42 miles from the campus. If CU had hockey and played there, their games would have to scheduled around the Colorado Eagles' 36 home games and whatever concerts, etc., that are scheduled.

CU only participates in 5 of the 11 men's sports sponsored by the PAC12. It is far more likely that they would add those sports before hockey. Lacrosse is more likely, also.
Was referring to the 1st Bank Center in Broomfield, just down the road. It has 6500 seats and already hosts minor league hockey. There has been an article on why CU can start varsity hockey with that facility.

The Loveland Arena would be perfect for Colo St, but that is even further in the future.

Agree that lax is more likely, but hockey would pay for itself. The startup cost is higher though.
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(06-18-2017 01:06 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(06-18-2017 09:11 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  You said "He's LDS so he wants to give his kids a chance to attend school in the state of Utah."

That doesn't imply being an alumni of Utah, it implies being an alumni of BYU or at least wanting to support that school. If you had said he was an alumni of Utah, I wouldn't had made that guess.

I didn't say that. The BYU guy did.

... so change "You" to "He", in the post you responded to. Doesn't change my point in that post -- as to why I responded that way. Sheesh


(06-20-2017 09:21 AM)lew240z Wrote:  CU only participates in 5 of the 11 men's sports sponsored by the PAC12. It is far more likely that they would add those sports before hockey. Lacrosse is more likely, also.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-12_Con..._by_school

Of those 11 PAC sponsored men's sports:

- two are basically bogus: rowing isn't even an NCAA men's sport, and wrestling only has 3 PAC teams
- the remaining 4 of 9 sponsored men's sports that Colorado doesn't have varsity teams: baseball, soccer, swimming, tennis
- additionally, CU has varsity teams in: skiing and indoor track
- it's a farce that the PAC doesn't sponsor indoor track, as 10 of 12 have varsity teams on the men's side, and all 12 have varsity teams on the women's side

Men's soccer wouldn't cost much, and it would probably be a popular add among CO high school/club boys teams ... but title IX makes it tough with football. Swimming is expensive if you don't have a pool (CU doesn't have a women's team either). Tennis shouldn't be a varsity NCAA sport, it should be club, so good on you there. Baseball is a pretty core sport for the Pacific schools. It's not well sponsored by Rockies schools, though. But might be nice if CU eventually gets around to adding baseball and softball.

So other than that, I don't really think you have much to add ...

Could also look at making skiing a club team, but guessing CU and Utah both like having varsity teams in that sport. Fits in with the region, and wealthy skiing alums (Vail, Aspen, etc.) don't hurt.
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^^^^

Last 5 Skiing Champs:

2012-13: Colorado
2013-14: Denver
2014-15: Colorado
2015-16: Denver
2016-17: Utah


You don't make a club sport out of a team that is winning NCAA titles.
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Also, Skiing is co-ed. There is no separate championship for men and women. St. Cloud State is one exception, their team is all women.
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(06-21-2017 01:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  ^^^^

Last 5 Skiing Champs:

2012-13: Colorado
2013-14: Denver
2014-15: Colorado
2015-16: Denver
2016-17: Utah


You don't make a club sport out of a team that is winning NCAA titles.

And even that doesn't seem to be stopping Big Sky schools from dropping their varsity teams to club teams. 07-coffee3
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(06-21-2017 01:58 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(06-21-2017 01:31 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  ^^^^

Last 5 Skiing Champs:

2012-13: Colorado
2013-14: Denver
2014-15: Colorado
2015-16: Denver
2016-17: Utah


You don't make a club sport out of a team that is winning NCAA titles.

And even that doesn't seem to be stopping Big Sky schools from dropping their varsity teams to club teams. 07-coffee3

Big Sky teams have won (outside of FCS Football) 1 NCAA title - NAU's Men's Cross Country Title this year.

What are you referring to?
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What are you referring to?? Look at your post, that I quoted!
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(06-21-2017 03:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  What are you referring to?? Look at your post, that I quoted!

Your response indicated that Big Sky teams that have won national titles dropped them to club sports.

So show me what sports/schools you are talking about.
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Your post was about skiing. Big Sky skiing teams don't win national titles, yet aren't dropping the sport as varsity.

Now I will admit, upon looking it up, somehow only Montana St out of the whole Big Sky has varsity skiing. I assumed that more Big Sky schools had the sport .... being that they're located in skiing country. Guess not!
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(06-21-2017 01:15 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  
(06-18-2017 01:06 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  
(06-18-2017 09:11 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  You said "He's LDS so he wants to give his kids a chance to attend school in the state of Utah."

That doesn't imply being an alumni of Utah, it implies being an alumni of BYU or at least wanting to support that school. If you had said he was an alumni of Utah, I wouldn't had made that guess.

I didn't say that. The BYU guy did.

... so change "You" to "He", in the post you responded to. Doesn't change my point in that post -- as to why I responded that way. Sheesh


(06-20-2017 09:21 AM)lew240z Wrote:  CU only participates in 5 of the 11 men's sports sponsored by the PAC12. It is far more likely that they would add those sports before hockey. Lacrosse is more likely, also.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac-12_Con..._by_school

Of those 11 PAC sponsored men's sports:

- two are basically bogus: rowing isn't even an NCAA men's sport, and wrestling only has 3 PAC teams
- the remaining 4 of 9 sponsored men's sports that Colorado doesn't have varsity teams: baseball, soccer, swimming, tennis
- additionally, CU has varsity teams in: skiing and indoor track
- it's a farce that the PAC doesn't sponsor indoor track, as 10 of 12 have varsity teams on the men's side, and all 12 have varsity teams on the women's side

Men's soccer wouldn't cost much, and it would probably be a popular add among CO high school/club boys teams ... but title IX makes it tough with football. Swimming is expensive if you don't have a pool (CU doesn't have a women's team either). Tennis shouldn't be a varsity NCAA sport, it should be club, so good on you there. Baseball is a pretty core sport for the Pacific schools. It's not well sponsored by Rockies schools, though. But might be nice if CU eventually gets around to adding baseball and softball.

So other than that, I don't really think you have much to add ...

Could also look at making skiing a club team, but guessing CU and Utah both like having varsity teams in that sport. Fits in with the region, and wealthy skiing alums (Vail, Aspen, etc.) don't hurt.

I am aware of all the programs CU has and doesn't have. CU does have a swimming pool. Actually, CU has five pools; an 8 lane 25 meter competition pool, two 4 lane 25 meter lap pools, a diving well, and the buffalo shaped outdoor recreation pool.
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So you agree that there aren't a lot of PAC sports that CU needs to add, except maybe baseball and softball down the road.
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I don't think baseball and softball practice in Boulder during February and March is going to be appealing to very many athletes. I think wrestling and swimming are more likely.
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I think swimming requires a 50-meter pool st the college level, so that would still require some investment if the current pool is only 25 meters. I agree it would likely be the next sport CU adds in spite of any facility requirements, as the competitions are indoors.

The next pair up would be either men's soccer or men's lacrosse, and either bowling or gymnastics on the women's side.
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Utah won the conference championship in baseball last year and went to super regionals in softball this year, so it's not like CU is automatically dead in the water with respect to these sports.

That said, we're simply not going to compete in water sports. Even when we've had a top 25 swimming dive team, we've still been a distant last place in the conference. I'd like to see Utah and CU add rifle, as that's a cheap sport that is coed. In addition to having a pretty robust outdoors culture (including hunting), and decent success at the club level, I'd like to see us recruit some Olympic biathletes to compete in both skiing and shooting. That could have some decent international draw.
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lew,

You won't find much worse of weather conditions for practicing baseball/softball than Minnesota, yet the Gophs have them both and do reasonably well at both, given their location in the country.

CU will be just fine, if it decides to start one or both.
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The CU baseball program was cut for several reasons. The two most important were Title XI and no fans in the stands. The following article is five ears old but is still relevant: http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_20254849/k...rado-buffs

If baseball were brought back, softball would have o be added for Title XI reasons. Aside from the lack of funding, the big problem is there is nowhere on campus to build the needed fields. CU's club team plays its home games 40 miles away in Johnstown which is near across I-25 rom Loveland.
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I didn't proclaim that CU will bring back baseball/softball.

Rather, those are really the only valid sports that CU could add which the PAC sponsors and which can reasonable to claim that CU "lacks" as conf sports. Everything else, maybe save swimming ... but that would require a legit natatorium be built (see: http://www.gophersports.com/facilities/a...enter.html) ... isn't a legit "lacking" on CU's part.

So in that sense, it would free CU up to add lacrosse and/or hockey, if funding and desire were so established.
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