Thanks for info guys

Lacrosse is growing in California. Roughly one HS a year adds it in the Bay Area. Here is a list, which is not complete compiled by MaxPreps

http://www.maxpreps.com/search/default.a...s,lacrosse

Looking locally at the Catholic and Public leagues where I live in the South Bay, almost half offer the sport, and the three of the four biggest leagues in the area are functioning conferences. I am surprised no West San Jose or Cupertino Schools, nor Peninsula schools like Carlmont, Sequioa, Burlingame and Aragon are offering it (they have the same demographics of upscale families where Lacrosse thrives)

WCAL with Boys Lacrosse
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Archbiship Riordon
Archbishop Mitty
Bellarmine College Prep
Saint Francis
St. Ignatius

SVAL Schools
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Gunn
Leland (not a regular member of SVAL; a San Jose School)
Los Altos
Los Gatos
Mountain View
Palo Alto
Santa Clara (surprises me, as this is a heavily Hispanic school; would have expected Wilcox to offer first)
Saratoga

EBAL (East Bay) schools
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Amador Valley
De La Salle
Dublin
Foothill
Granada (in Livermore)
Livermore
San Ramon Valley

Note: I noticed Berkeley offers it and several North Bay schools (Marin county), which you'd expect

Most of these schools have added the sport in the last 10 years. I know Bellarmine started it 8 years ago, as one of my AAU team players decided to attend BCP because they were starting it. AMHS and SFHS offered it a few years later and then the WCAL started sanctioning it only in the last five years. The local public schools which compete to keep some of the same students in Los Altos, Mountain View, Saratoga, Palo Alto, Gunn, and Los Gatos also have added it. (This kids local HS would have been Los Altos).

So I can say with certainty that the sport is taking off in the Bay Area. The MaxPrep list indicates it has some in similar upper end demographic areas throughout the state, with a few surprising lower income schools offering as well.

There is a CIF playoff. So it's full sanctioned, with Sectional Championships as well.

It made sense to me in Minnesota, because it's basically like hockey on grass.

Surprised that so many non-hockey areas picking it up though. Maybe they just want another sport ... I could see that, because:

- baseball, really high skill sport, you have to be really good to have a chance
- soccer, so popular, you have to be really good to have a chance
- basketball, so popular, you have to be really good to have a chance
- football, you have to have the right body type (tall, big) to have a chance

It's a football replacement.

Parents who wont let their kids play football (it has disappeared as a middle school offered sport: Pop Warner teams are the only option and they typically cover the area or 3-5 high schools to field one team per age range). Parents who wont let their boys play football will let them play lacrosse.

High School football still fills up, as boys defy parents to join and moms grudgingly give in, but the teams are not super deep anymore. There is a definite thinning, and rosters are smaller. It's a trend worth watching, to see if it thins too much at some schools. I don't know if it's a national trend, but in California the pool of players is definitely smaller than it was a decade ago, despite the population growth.

http://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men...ut-in-2019

So an alum, a Brazilian airline executive, endowed $15.6 million to start the program

Will start fielding a varsity team in 2019

The Big East, Big Ten and Southern are listed as possible conference options. Suspect the first year, Utah will be independent.

(06-16-2017 12:06 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  It's a football replacement.

Parents who wont let their kids play football (it has disappeared as a middle school offered sport: Pop Warner teams are the only option and they typically cover the are or 3-5 high schools to field one team per age range). Parents who wont let their boys play football will let them play lacrosse.

High School football still fills up, as boys defy parents to join and moms grudgingly give in, but the teams are not super deep anymore. There is a definite thinning, and rosters are smaller. It's a trend worth watching, to see if it thins too much at some schools. I don't know if it's a national trend, but in California the pool of players is definitely smaller than it was a decade ago, despite the population growth.

The one nice thing about football is that you can pull kids out of the hallway in high school and suit them up in pads, at least for some of the positions. So maybe youth numbers will be off ... but wonder if high school numbers will be less affected.

(06-16-2017 01:09 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men...ut-in-2019

So an alum, a Brazilian airline executive, endowed $15.6 million to start the program

Will start fielding a varsity team in 2019

The Big East, Big Ten and Southern are listed as possible conference options. Suspect the first year, Utah will be independent.

Well, then that is a big reason why and certainly helps with an endowed program.
I wish some donors would do the same for Men's Track and Field.

(06-16-2017 01:09 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men...ut-in-2019

So an alum, a Brazilian airline executive, endowed $15.6 million to start the program

Will start fielding a varsity team in 2019

The Big East, Big Ten and Southern are listed as possible conference options. Suspect the first year, Utah will be independent.

Well a couple more schools then the MPSF (Mountain Pacific Sports Federation) would probably sponsor Men's Lacrosse. They already sponsor Women's Lacrosse.

For reference:
http://www.mpsports.org/members/mpsf-members.html

(06-16-2017 02:02 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 01:09 PM)NoDak Wrote:  http://www.uslaxmagazine.com/college/men...ut-in-2019

So an alum, a Brazilian airline executive, endowed $15.6 million to start the program

Will start fielding a varsity team in 2019

The Big East, Big Ten and Southern are listed as possible conference options. Suspect the first year, Utah will be independent.

Well, then that is a big reason why and certainly helps with an endowed program.
I wish some donors would do the same for Men's Track and Field.

A lot of people seem to want to bring back T&F but it really sounds like hockey is next in line for Utah.

Lacrosse is better than video gaming to give scholarships to.


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Utah and USC are the top game design programs in the country by a fairly wide margin. Video gaming is an academic scholarship, not an athletic one, and it makes sense given the University's place in the field (I don't think many people are aware that Utah was basically the birthplace of CG and the alma mater of the founders of Atati, Pixar, etc).

Have never heard of that, jr.

However, I have heard of the Utah Array. Which is a type of electrode inserted into the brain.

(06-16-2017 04:43 PM)MplsBison Wrote:  Have never heard of that, jr.

However, I have heard of the Utah Array. Which is a type of electrode inserted into the brain.

Ivan Sutherland

His PhD thesis was basically the first practical graphic interface and was the foundation for CAD and GUI. While he was head of CS he attracted and mentored a lot of pioneers in computer graphics. So there's been sort of a continued focus in that arena. Utah sort of got lucky in that the two areas it was really good at in the infancy of the field (computer graphics and genetics) ended up being pretty important growth areas in the ensuing decades.

http://www.sltrib.com/home/5410203-155/u...s-lacrosse

The article says Utah is in early talks with the ACC, Big Ten and Big East. The ACC may have the most to gain, as with a sixth member it gains an autobid.

Larry Scott was a big proponent too, as it could eventually help the PAC12 with viewers.

(06-15-2017 09:55 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 09:50 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 09:41 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 09:24 PM)Bogg Wrote:  Any word on conference affiliation? Utah, Denver, Air Force, and Marquette wouldn't be a bad western half of BE lacrosse.

Highly doubt Marquette or Denver will leave the Big East now. Denver would maybe consider it if the PAC12 starts the sport.

Air Force might be had. Utah might have to affiliate with the Southern Conference first, and then break off with Air Fonce as more western teams start lax.

I never said they'd leave the Big East, I asked if the Big East might try to go to 8 in lacrosse by adding Utah and Air Force as affiliate members based on the fact that travel/scheduling would likely be much easier for the three mountain schools if they were all in one conference. Plus, Marquette's further West than anyone else otherwise.

I don't think the Big East would go for it, as big publics are not its style. They haven't offered AFA even though it won the autobid in the Southern Conference. Utah has to have design on an eventual western lax league. They already brought in some high recruits, mostly for CA and CO.

There was a statement by the USC AD a couple years ago that they had serious interest in men's lax. Some Big West schools like UCSB have also made lax noise in the past.

Utah wouldn't be the first or only public school to become a BE affiliate. UConn Cincy, Temple, Florida old dominion are all affiliates. my guess is Utah ends up in B1G

(06-16-2017 07:17 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 09:55 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 09:50 PM)Bogg Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 09:41 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 09:24 PM)Bogg Wrote:  Any word on conference affiliation? Utah, Denver, Air Force, and Marquette wouldn't be a bad western half of BE lacrosse.

Highly doubt Marquette or Denver will leave the Big East now. Denver would maybe consider it if the PAC12 starts the sport.

Air Force might be had. Utah might have to affiliate with the Southern Conference first, and then break off with Air Fonce as more western teams start lax.

I never said they'd leave the Big East, I asked if the Big East might try to go to 8 in lacrosse by adding Utah and Air Force as affiliate members based on the fact that travel/scheduling would likely be much easier for the three mountain schools if they were all in one conference. Plus, Marquette's further West than anyone else otherwise.

I don't think the Big East would go for it, as big publics are not its style. They haven't offered AFA even though it won the autobid in the Southern Conference. Utah has to have design on an eventual western lax league. They already brought in some high recruits, mostly for CA and CO.

There was a statement by the USC AD a couple years ago that they had serious interest in men's lax. Some Big West schools like UCSB have also made lax noise in the past.

Utah wouldn't be the first or only public school to become a BE affiliate. UConn Cincy, Temple, Florida old dominion are all affiliates. my guess is Utah ends up in B1G

Those are affiliates because those sports have a need to keep an autobid. Furthermore, those sports don't have significant cable potential. The Big East now doesn't need an additional school for lax, and neither does the Big Ten.

The ACC could gain an autobid by adding Utah, as well as a bigger recruiting range.

we shall see. ACC doesn't need autobid but Utah may value that stiff competition. I'm still expecting BC to go varsity. have you heard any rumblings about that?

Could the PAC 12 members to lobby the NCAA to have RMAC moved up to D1 for both men and women's LAX? Here what it would look like.

RMAC Men's:
Utah
Air Force
Denver
Colorado Mesa
Rockhurst (KC)
Westminster (Utah)
Adams State
CSU-Pueblo
Maryville (St. Louis)

RMAC Women's:
Utah
Denver
Air Force
Lindenwood
Regis
Colorado Mesa
Fort Lewis
Westminster, Utah
Rockhurst
Oklahoma Baptist
Adams State
Colorado-Colorado Springs

This could bring a start of a western LAX conference out west where all the schools do not have to travel to the east coast. Once other schools out west and central plains start adding the sport? We might see a PAC 12 and a Big 12 LAX conference formed.

PAC 12 if Men's LAX started at these universities that already have a club team?
Utah
UC-San Diego
Arizona
Arizona State
UCLA
California
Colorado
Oregon
Oregon State
Washington
Washington State
USC
Stanford

MWC Men's LAX:
Boise State
UNLV
San Diego State
Colorado State
UNR
New Mexico
Utah State
San Jose State
Idaho
Long Beach State
Fullerton State
Cal-Davis
Cal-Poly


Big 12 Men's LAX:
Baylor
Oklahoma
TCU
Texas Tech
Texas
North Texas
Oklahoma Baptist (affiliate)
Rice
SMU
TEXAS A&M
Texas State
UTSA
Arkansas
Houston
Sam Houston State
SFA
Dallas Baptist
LSU
La.-Lafayette


WAC
Grand Canyon
Utah Valley
Biola
Concordia-Irvine
Idaho
Montana State
Northern Colorado
Simon Fraser
Central Washington
Montana
Chico State
Portland State
Sonoma State
Western Oregon
Western Washington
Cal-Merced
Cal.-Santa Cruz
Humboldt State

RMAC could also gain in Men's club teams St. Edwards, Fort Lewis, Metro State, Western State.

WCC could wind up sponsoring Men's LAX.
Women's LAX club teams could pop up.

Right now, there are lack of western LAX to really have a good conference. The RMAC might be the key to help jump start new western LAX conferences for the west coast and the plains.

(06-16-2017 07:31 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  we shall see. ACC doesn't need autobid but Utah may value that stiff competition. I'm still expecting BC to go varsity. have you heard any rumblings about that?

Looking at a lax expansion board, BC and Florida St are frequently mentioned, but they have been mentioned for more than a decade.

If USC and Stanford start men's lax, everything in the west could go a whole different direction.

Doubt this says much about western interest in the sport. Basically, Utah got a cash gift from David Neeleman for a LAX program. Neeleman is the founder of JetBlue & lives in New England. Has a huge family with several boys who play LAX. He's LDS so he wants to give his kids a chance to attend school in the state of Utah.

One of his boys played for BYU's club team a couple years ago. Easily could have seen him working out a similar deal with us. But he decided to go with Utah for whatever reason. I really don't see BYU investing in the sport.