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The Gap grows larger
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Michigan projects $51.1 million in conference revenue from B1G for 2018, up from $36.3M in 2017, due to new TV deal, @chengelis reports

That a 14.8 million increase---nearly 50% more. We need to hit a home run with our next media deal. As for FBS, its looking like its going to be the Big10 (along with possibly the SEC) at the top tier. The rest of the P5 on the next tier----and then everyone else.
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We will do well to hit a ground rule double. 3.8 would be a big raise, but not let us even get in the game.
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The Big ten is making a lot of money, but sometimes (in fact almost all the time), people get the terms conference revenue and TV revenue confused.

All of the articles and information that come out that says "Conference X made 30 million in revenue per school last year" are talking TOTAL conference revenue, and NOT TV REVENUE. These conference revenue totals include NCAA tournament monies, Bowl Revenue, and other various sources of revenue that the conference earned.

What we tend to see people do is compare our TV revenue (2 million), to Conference X's total revenue (for example 30 million). Negative. Your school's total revenue from the AAC was probably in the range of 5-8 mil per. That is the comparable number. Still chump change, but more reasonable.

The so called "power conferences" are great at putting our these huge numbers in the papers after scraping together every single source of revenue and putting them in one pile (to include TV money of course), and then announcing these big numbers as if that was TV money alone. Granted, a lot of it did come from TV, or in the case of the Big 10, their conference network and TV deals, but not ALL of it.

FACT: The so called power 5 makes less in the TV revenue than these huge numbers that get reported, which includes all income, and FACT #2: the AAC makes more in TOTAL revenue that the reported 2M per tv deal.
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RE: The Gap grows larger
(06-15-2017 03:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Brett McMurphy‏ @Brett_McMurphy 30m30 minutes ago
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Michigan projects $51.1 million in conference revenue from B1G for 2018, up from $36.3M in 2017, due to new TV deal, @chengelis reports

That a 14.8 million increase---nearly 50% more. We need to hit a home run with our next media deal. As for FBS, its looking like its going to be the Big10 (along with possibly the SEC) at the top tier. The rest of the P5 on the next tier----and then everyone else.

This whole notion that schools in one conference can earn up to $50M a year while schools in another are making under $2M a year (aren't SBC school making ~$100,000) is just mind-boggling. When you consider the amount of air time the AAC receives from ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN U, ESPN News there is no way there should be so much disparity in revenue.

(06-15-2017 03:27 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  The Big ten is making a lot of money, but sometimes (in fact almost all the time), people get the terms conference revenue and TV revenue confused.

All of the articles and information that come out that says "Conference X made 30 million in revenue per school last year" are talking TOTAL conference revenue, and NOT TV REVENUE. These conference revenue totals include NCAA tournament monies, Bowl Revenue, and other various sources of revenue that the conference earned.

What we tend to see people do is compare our TV revenue (2 million), to Conference X's total revenue (for example 30 million). Negative. Your school's total revenue from the AAC was probably in the range of 5-8 mil per. That is the comparable number. Still chump change, but more reasonable.

The so called "power conferences" are great at putting our these huge numbers in the papers after scraping together every single source of revenue and putting them in one pile (to include TV money of course), and then announcing these big numbers as if that was TV money alone. Granted, a lot of it did come from TV, or in the case of the Big 10, their conference network and TV deals, but not ALL of it.

FACT: The so called power 5 makes less in the TV revenue than these huge numbers that get reported, which includes all income, and FACT #2: the AAC makes more in TOTAL revenue that the reported 2M per tv deal.

True. However, you also have to consider that we are also getting a fraction of the "other" money as well (CFP Playoffs, NCAA Tourny Credits, Tier 3 rights, etc.). We're getting $2M from media, but when you throw in the other stuff our schools are still way behind.
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(06-15-2017 03:29 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(06-15-2017 03:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Brett McMurphy‏ @Brett_McMurphy 30m30 minutes ago
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Michigan projects $51.1 million in conference revenue from B1G for 2018, up from $36.3M in 2017, due to new TV deal, @chengelis reports

That a 14.8 million increase---nearly 50% more. We need to hit a home run with our next media deal. As for FBS, its looking like its going to be the Big10 (along with possibly the SEC) at the top tier. The rest of the P5 on the next tier----and then everyone else.

This whole notion that schools in one conference can earn up to $50M a year while schools in another are making under $2M a year (aren't SBC school making ~$100,000) is just mind-boggling. When you consider the amount of air time the AAC receives from ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN U, ESPN News there is no way there should be so much disparity in revenue.

(06-15-2017 03:27 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  The Big ten is making a lot of money, but sometimes (in fact almost all the time), people get the terms conference revenue and TV revenue confused.

All of the articles and information that come out that says "Conference X made 30 million in revenue per school last year" are talking TOTAL conference revenue, and NOT TV REVENUE. These conference revenue totals include NCAA tournament monies, Bowl Revenue, and other various sources of revenue that the conference earned.

What we tend to see people do is compare our TV revenue (2 million), to Conference X's total revenue (for example 30 million). Negative. Your school's total revenue from the AAC was probably in the range of 5-8 mil per. That is the comparable number. Still chump change, but more reasonable.

The so called "power conferences" are great at putting our these huge numbers in the papers after scraping together every single source of revenue and putting them in one pile (to include TV money of course), and then announcing these big numbers as if that was TV money alone. Granted, a lot of it did come from TV, or in the case of the Big 10, their conference network and TV deals, but not ALL of it.

FACT: The so called power 5 makes less in the TV revenue than these huge numbers that get reported, which includes all income, and FACT #2: the AAC makes more in TOTAL revenue that the reported 2M per tv deal.

True. However, you also have to consider that we are also getting a fraction of the "other" money as well (CFP Playoffs, NCAA Tourny Credits, Tier 3 rights, etc.). We're getting $2M from media, but when you throw in the other stuff our schools are still way behind.

Sun Belt member are not making 100K in total money. TV money yes, but you forgot to add in their ncaa bowl revenue, basketball tournament money, etc. These are significant. The 50M number for Michigan includes ALL sources of money and was never meant to only include TV money. Yes, they are making a ton of money, no one is saying otherwise.

I agree we are way behind.

My sole point is that people mix up numbers. They compare the AAC's TV money (2 M per year), with other conference's TOTAL reported income. Apples to Oranges. Many people, not saying you, but many, do not understand the difference.
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RE: The Gap grows larger
Time to start the AAC network (or threaten to) and advertise the **** out of it in all the major cities our membership resides in.

We have members residing in the following television markets:

#4 Philadelphia
#5 Dallas-Fort Worth
#7 Washington D.C.
#8 Houston
#11 Tampa-St. Petersburg
#18 Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne
#19 Cleveland-Akron
#30 Hartford & New Haven (some put UCONN in #1 ranked NYC market)
#37 Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson
#50 New Orleans
#51 Memphis
#58 Tulsa
#66 Wichita-Hutchinson

Set up an independent satellite network and get it on Netflix or Amazon and one major satellite provider. Maybe allow it to be free on ROKU with massive amounts of advertising... IDK how this business works. You get the point.


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The bottom line is... you gotta stop the outflow of advertising revenue that ESPN is undoubtedly banking off this conference. Too many eyeballz watching too many of yall's games for too little dough.


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(06-15-2017 04:19 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Time to start the AAC network (or threaten to) and advertise the **** out of it in all the major cities our membership resides in.

We have members residing in the following television markets:

#4 Philadelphia
#5 Dallas-Fort Worth
#7 Washington D.C.
#8 Houston
#11 Tampa-St. Petersburg
#18 Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne
#19 Cleveland-Akron
#30 Hartford & New Haven (some put UCONN in #1 ranked NYC market)
#37 Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson
#50 New Orleans
#51 Memphis
#58 Tulsa
#66 Wichita-Hutchinson

Set up an independent satellite network and get it on Netflix or Amazon and one major satellite provider. Maybe allow it to be free on ROKU with massive amounts of advertising... IDK how this business works. You get the point.


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Wrong Greenville....
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(06-15-2017 04:25 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  
(06-15-2017 04:19 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Time to start the AAC network (or threaten to) and advertise the **** out of it in all the major cities our membership resides in.

We have members residing in the following television markets:

#4 Philadelphia
#5 Dallas-Fort Worth
#7 Washington D.C.
#8 Houston
#11 Tampa-St. Petersburg
#18 Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne
#19 Cleveland-Akron
#30 Hartford & New Haven (some put UCONN in #1 ranked NYC market)
#37 Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson
#50 New Orleans
#51 Memphis
#58 Tulsa
#66 Wichita-Hutchinson

Set up an independent satellite network and get it on Netflix or Amazon and one major satellite provider. Maybe allow it to be free on ROKU with massive amounts of advertising... IDK how this business works. You get the point.


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Wrong Greenville....

lol yeah
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(06-15-2017 03:27 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  The Big ten is making a lot of money, but sometimes (in fact almost all the time), people get the terms conference revenue and TV revenue confused.

All of the articles and information that come out that says "Conference X made 30 million in revenue per school last year" are talking TOTAL conference revenue, and NOT TV REVENUE. These conference revenue totals include NCAA tournament monies, Bowl Revenue, and other various sources of revenue that the conference earned.

What we tend to see people do is compare our TV revenue (2 million), to Conference X's total revenue (for example 30 million). Negative. Your school's total revenue from the AAC was probably in the range of 5-8 mil per. That is the comparable number. Still chump change, but more reasonable.

The so called "power conferences" are great at putting our these huge numbers in the papers after scraping together every single source of revenue and putting them in one pile (to include TV money of course), and then announcing these big numbers as if that was TV money alone. Granted, a lot of it did come from TV, or in the case of the Big 10, their conference network and TV deals, but not ALL of it.

FACT: The so called power 5 makes less in the TV revenue than these huge numbers that get reported, which includes all income, and FACT #2: the AAC makes more in TOTAL revenue that the reported 2M per tv deal.

True. But my point was thier income is expected to increase by 14.8 million a year per team. That increase is ENTIRELY due to the increase in TV income (as nothing else is changing that year except the new tv deal). Just one teams share of the INCREASE is almost equal to our entire media deal for the entire conference. We neee to do way better than that next time around (and I think we will).
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(06-15-2017 04:25 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  
(06-15-2017 04:19 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Time to start the AAC network (or threaten to) and advertise the **** out of it in all the major cities our membership resides in.

We have members residing in the following television markets:

#4 Philadelphia
#5 Dallas-Fort Worth
#7 Washington D.C.
#8 Houston
#11 Tampa-St. Petersburg
#18 Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne
#19 Cleveland-Akron
#30 Hartford & New Haven (some put UCONN in #1 ranked NYC market)
#37 Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson
#50 New Orleans
#51 Memphis
#58 Tulsa
#66 Wichita-Hutchinson

Set up an independent satellite network and get it on Netflix or Amazon and one major satellite provider. Maybe allow it to be free on ROKU with massive amounts of advertising... IDK how this business works. You get the point.


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Wrong Greenville....

Gives you a hint why the AAC's contract is less than 3 million.
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(06-15-2017 04:19 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Time to start the AAC network (or threaten to) and advertise the **** out of it in all the major cities our membership resides in.

We have members residing in the following television markets:

#4 Philadelphia
#5 Dallas-Fort Worth
#7 Washington D.C.
#8 Houston
#11 Tampa-St. Petersburg
#18 Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne
#19 Cleveland-Akron
#30 Hartford & New Haven (some put UCONN in #1 ranked NYC market)
#37 Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson
#50 New Orleans
#51 Memphis
#58 Tulsa
#66 Wichita-Hutchinson

Set up an independent satellite network and get it on Netflix or Amazon and one major satellite provider. Maybe allow it to be free on ROKU with massive amounts of advertising... IDK how this business works. You get the point.


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What member is in the Cleveland-Akron or Washington D.C. market?
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Why is Cleveland-Akron listed and Cincinnati not?
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(06-15-2017 05:28 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(06-15-2017 04:25 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  
(06-15-2017 04:19 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Time to start the AAC network (or threaten to) and advertise the **** out of it in all the major cities our membership resides in.

We have members residing in the following television markets:

#4 Philadelphia
#5 Dallas-Fort Worth
#7 Washington D.C.
#8 Houston
#11 Tampa-St. Petersburg
#18 Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne
#19 Cleveland-Akron
#30 Hartford & New Haven (some put UCONN in #1 ranked NYC market)
#37 Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson
#50 New Orleans
#51 Memphis
#58 Tulsa
#66 Wichita-Hutchinson

Set up an independent satellite network and get it on Netflix or Amazon and one major satellite provider. Maybe allow it to be free on ROKU with massive amounts of advertising... IDK how this business works. You get the point.


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Wrong Greenville....

Gives you a hint why the AAC's contract is less than 3 million.

Greenville NC is #100.

Columbus-Tupelo-W Pnt-Hstn is #133, thats the TV market for Mississippi State...
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(06-15-2017 05:58 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  
(06-15-2017 05:28 PM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(06-15-2017 04:25 PM)8BitPirate Wrote:  
(06-15-2017 04:19 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Time to start the AAC network (or threaten to) and advertise the **** out of it in all the major cities our membership resides in.

We have members residing in the following television markets:

#4 Philadelphia
#5 Dallas-Fort Worth
#7 Washington D.C.
#8 Houston
#11 Tampa-St. Petersburg
#18 Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne
#19 Cleveland-Akron
#30 Hartford & New Haven (some put UCONN in #1 ranked NYC market)
#37 Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson
#50 New Orleans
#51 Memphis
#58 Tulsa
#66 Wichita-Hutchinson

Set up an independent satellite network and get it on Netflix or Amazon and one major satellite provider. Maybe allow it to be free on ROKU with massive amounts of advertising... IDK how this business works. You get the point.


T


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Wrong Greenville....

Gives you a hint why the AAC's contract is less than 3 million.

Greenville NC is #100.

Columbus-Tupelo-W Pnt-Hstn is #133, thats the TV market for Mississippi State...

It's actually #99 now
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Wheat dude is right, we need our own AAC network for a vehicle for Amazon and the like or did we already have one?
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(06-15-2017 05:36 PM)chatcat Wrote:  
(06-15-2017 04:19 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Time to start the AAC network (or threaten to) and advertise the **** out of it in all the major cities our membership resides in.

We have members residing in the following television markets:

#4 Philadelphia
#5 Dallas-Fort Worth
#7 Washington D.C.
#8 Houston
#11 Tampa-St. Petersburg
#18 Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne
#19 Cleveland-Akron
#30 Hartford & New Haven (some put UCONN in #1 ranked NYC market)
#37 Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson
#50 New Orleans
#51 Memphis
#58 Tulsa
#66 Wichita-Hutchinson

Set up an independent satellite network and get it on Netflix or Amazon and one major satellite provider. Maybe allow it to be free on ROKU with massive amounts of advertising... IDK how this business works. You get the point.


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What member is in the Cleveland-Akron or Washington D.C. market?

Wichita fan needs help with geography. D.C. Is Navy
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(06-15-2017 06:19 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  
(06-15-2017 05:36 PM)chatcat Wrote:  
(06-15-2017 04:19 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Time to start the AAC network (or threaten to) and advertise the **** out of it in all the major cities our membership resides in.

We have members residing in the following television markets:

#4 Philadelphia
#5 Dallas-Fort Worth
#7 Washington D.C.
#8 Houston
#11 Tampa-St. Petersburg
#18 Orlando-Daytona Beach-Melbourne
#19 Cleveland-Akron
#30 Hartford & New Haven (some put UCONN in #1 ranked NYC market)
#37 Greenville-Spartanburg-Asheville-Anderson
#50 New Orleans
#51 Memphis
#58 Tulsa
#66 Wichita-Hutchinson

Set up an independent satellite network and get it on Netflix or Amazon and one major satellite provider. Maybe allow it to be free on ROKU with massive amounts of advertising... IDK how this business works. You get the point.


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What member is in the Cleveland-Akron or Washington D.C. market?

Wichita fan needs help with geography. D.C. Is Navy

Baltimore as well. The Baltimore-Washington corridor is huge and Navy is right there.
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we're just pissing in the fan. IDGAF anymore.

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