(06-16-2017 07:28 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 06:50 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Owl: I'm better than you.

No, you're not, and that's precisely your problem.

You think you are to good to start at the bottom. You're not. You want to start as CEO. That's not how the world works.

Sadly, it's how kids fresh out of high school or college these days think the world works. My grandson graduated last year and he expects to get a job paying 40k a year starting out, all while living with my ex, his grandmother, who pays his auto insurance and cell-phone bill; a topic of heated argument between she and I although I appreciate her sentiment as he is a bit of a special needs person.

(06-16-2017 08:05 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 07:59 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 06:50 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Owl: I'm better than you. No seriously I'm better than you because I actually have standards. I don't take some unsubstantiated message forum junk and simply accept it as truth. It has to be proven true. For example

1. Can you even prove these two companies offer these benefits.

2. If yes to above can you prove these companies offer it to most employees of this demographic

3. If yes to both can you prove most job offers for this demographic do the same.

Otherwise that comment is useless. I mean sure I can say it rained today in the driest place on earth. But that doesn't mean it rains there every day.

We are talking about Americans and ability to find HC coverage not me personally

What a tool. That you feel some smug superiority, that you are better than someone else, is telling. Your shite stinks just like anyone's.

yeah "tool" for applying logic to a conversation? I'm a tool for saying an unsubstantiated claim on a forum is not proof of a macroeconomic trend that defies the CBO? Give me a freaking break

Reading comprehension isn't a strength of yours either. In case you didn't notice I was responding to your assertion that you are better than Owl; completely laughable by the way. I'd stack Owls qualifications and experience next to yours except yours wouldn't be visible in the shadow cast by his.

Oh, and I didn't get past that first statement to read the rest of your drivel. Please try to stay on point if you have that capacity.

(06-16-2017 08:08 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 07:28 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 06:50 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Owl: I'm better than you.

No, you're not, and that's precisely your problem.

You think you are to good to start at the bottom. You're not. You want to start as CEO. That's not how the world works.

Sadly, it's how kids fresh out of high school or college these days think the world works. My grandson graduated last year and he expects to get a job paying 40k a year starting out, all while living with my ex, his grandmother, who pays his auto insurance and cell-phone bill; a topic of heated argument between she and I although I appreciate her sentiment as he is a bit of a special needs person.

well that explains it.

(06-16-2017 07:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 07:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  This is where Johnnyzero'alt real life experience is shown. Most full time jobs offer these benefits. You have to be willing to work the hours. Sometimes if you're a single parent, you can't.

I lack real life experience? Clearly you are the one lacking RL experience because you would know that a huge faction of unskilled minimum wage workers are purposely not given full time so their employers don't have to provide those benefits. I mean seriously it is common knowledge that a large segment of the population can't get HC because it isn't easily available. If you think it's a question of workers rejecting those hours then you are utterly clueless. Yet according to you I'm the one who lacks life experience because I know something as factually correct as the sky being blue.

So either our HC system isn't f***ed and we don't have large numbers of people without HC or are at risk of losing HC or there is an endless wave of jobs providing HC for unskilled workers. The first is a concensus even among righties. Hell its political suicide to even contest the notion. The second is laughably untrue.

So shame on me for assuming you wouldn't oppose common knowledge that is as accurate as the notion as the sky being blue. Let me guess Alex Jones is a quality source of news right?

yeah... thanks oblundercare!

(06-16-2017 06:28 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I lived the 24-7 primary care giver for 8.5 years on one and 1.5 years on another. Going on 3 hours of rest a night. I know the struggle. Trying to hold down one job with one decent income. 3 months? It's all relative. My daughter had a broviac line and a g tube. She was immunosuppressed. Had SCIDS and multi intestinal atresias. We had to collect bile out of a bag to refeed it through her g tube. She had at one time 7 cms of intestine so the miracle workers at the Cleveland Clinic came up with the various ideas of using that 7 cams to the utmost. It grew to over 80 cms when they removed them all before her death. I could go on and on. I understand believe me. 3 months. I lived 15 months In and out of the house and would drive the 85 miles daily when she was in intensive care. We would occasionally get a room at the ROnald McDonald House. That was a godsend but you still had to try and hold down a job.

My sincere empathy for you and your family. You obviously do understand the struggles involved. It's brutal.

But we wouldn't do anything else than willingly take care of those who are closest to us.

(06-16-2017 06:54 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The world is so cynical and we truly don't know what each other are going through. I should be the most compassionate person when it comes to the primary caregiver stuff and I didn't like the tone he was taking so I scoffed at the 3 months. Social media gives us all a voice and when we use that voice to tear down others I'm not so sure how helpful it is to society. I apologize umbluegrey. 1 week is hell when you have another persons life in your hands. Godspeed brother and I hope you take my apology as sincere.

You're right. It's hard enough to determine another person's tone during face-to-face verbal communication, much less through words typed in a message board post.

We operate within our own context and perceptions. The other person may not intend any malice. If they disagree with us we're quick to jump to the negative assumption. If they agree then we process it differently.

I'm guilty of it. I'm sure most -- no, everyone -- is as well.


It would be really nice if we (everyone reading this) tried to remember this when reading posts.

Rather than jumping to conclusions, maybe we should ask for clarification on what we just read.

When it comes down to it, we're all in it together. We have different views, likes, quirks, beliefs, etc, but we're still all in it together.


Oftentimes people tend to get along when they find things they have in common. That's one of the reasons I don't like focusing on "diversity." It highlights differences.

Throughout human history we don't play so well with "the other guy".

(06-16-2017 07:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 07:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  This is where Johnnyzero'alt real life experience is shown. Most full time jobs offer these benefits. You have to be willing to work the hours. Sometimes if you're a single parent, you can't.

I lack real life experience? Clearly you are the one lacking RL experience because you would know that a huge faction of unskilled minimum wage workers are purposely not given full time so their employers don't have to provide those benefits. I mean seriously it is common knowledge that a large segment of the population can't get HC because it isn't easily available. If you think it's a question of workers rejecting those hours then you are utterly clueless. Yet according to you I'm the one who lacks life experience because I know something as factually correct as the sky being blue.

So either our HC system isn't f***ed and we don't have large numbers of people without HC or are at risk of losing HC or there is an endless wave of jobs providing HC for unskilled workers. The first is a concensus even among righties. Hell its political suicide to even contest the notion. The second is laughably untrue.

So shame on me for assuming you wouldn't oppose common knowledge that is as accurate as the notion as the sky being blue. Let me guess Alex Jones is a quality source of news right?

Remind me again what's your profession? And tell us again about your internship with your brother.

So in John's world. experience and real-life wisdom are to be criticized? What an interesting perspective. And in the spirit of UMBLUEGRAY's post, I would like some rationale and clarification of that comment prior to reverting to attack mode.

(06-16-2017 07:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 07:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  This is where Johnnyzero'alt real life experience is shown. Most full time jobs offer these benefits. You have to be willing to work the hours. Sometimes if you're a single parent, you can't.

I lack real life experience? Clearly you are the one lacking RL experience because you would know that a huge faction of unskilled minimum wage workers are purposely not given full time so their employers don't have to provide those benefits. I mean seriously it is common knowledge that a large segment of the population can't get HC because it isn't easily available. If you think it's a question of workers rejecting those hours then you are utterly clueless. Yet according to you I'm the one who lacks life experience because I know something as factually correct as the sky being blue.

45% of private sector jobs provide health benefits. Better than I thought tbh. I'm sure the public sector is close to 100%. Probably pushes the overall significantly higher than 50%.

Who knows how many of those are minimum wage? Even so many of them probably quality for Medicare/Medicaid. Either way that should be an incentive to work harder.

http://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator...2asc%22%7D

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(06-16-2017 09:01 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 07:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 07:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  This is where Johnnyzero'alt real life experience is shown. Most full time jobs offer these benefits. You have to be willing to work the hours. Sometimes if you're a single parent, you can't.

I lack real life experience? Clearly you are the one lacking RL experience because you would know that a huge faction of unskilled minimum wage workers are purposely not given full time so their employers don't have to provide those benefits. I mean seriously it is common knowledge that a large segment of the population can't get HC because it isn't easily available. If you think it's a question of workers rejecting those hours then you are utterly clueless. Yet according to you I'm the one who lacks life experience because I know something as factually correct as the sky being blue.

So either our HC system isn't f***ed and we don't have large numbers of people without HC or are at risk of losing HC or there is an endless wave of jobs providing HC for unskilled workers. The first is a concensus even among righties. Hell its political suicide to even contest the notion. The second is laughably untrue.

So shame on me for assuming you wouldn't oppose common knowledge that is as accurate as the notion as the sky being blue. Let me guess Alex Jones is a quality source of news right?

Remind me again what's your profession? And tell us again about your internship with your brother.

I love it. You got burned so badly you go down that road...twice because you can't win while staying on topic.

(06-16-2017 09:52 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 07:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 07:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  This is where Johnnyzero'alt real life experience is shown. Most full time jobs offer these benefits. You have to be willing to work the hours. Sometimes if you're a single parent, you can't.

I lack real life experience? Clearly you are the one lacking RL experience because you would know that a huge faction of unskilled minimum wage workers are purposely not given full time so their employers don't have to provide those benefits. I mean seriously it is common knowledge that a large segment of the population can't get HC because it isn't easily available. If you think it's a question of workers rejecting those hours then you are utterly clueless. Yet according to you I'm the one who lacks life experience because I know something as factually correct as the sky being blue.

45% of private sector jobs provide health benefits. Better than I thought tbh. I'm sure the public sector is close to 100%. Probably pushes the overall significantly higher than 50%.

Who knows how many of those are minimum wage? Even so many of them probably quality for Medicare/Medicaid. Either way that should be an incentive to work harder.

http://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator...2asc%22%7D

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And you still believe the "work harder" line of crap after you just cited not even half of private sector jobs provide HC?

(06-16-2017 11:59 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 09:01 PM)gdunn Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 07:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 07:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  This is where Johnnyzero'alt real life experience is shown. Most full time jobs offer these benefits. You have to be willing to work the hours. Sometimes if you're a single parent, you can't.

I lack real life experience? Clearly you are the one lacking RL experience because you would know that a huge faction of unskilled minimum wage workers are purposely not given full time so their employers don't have to provide those benefits. I mean seriously it is common knowledge that a large segment of the population can't get HC because it isn't easily available. If you think it's a question of workers rejecting those hours then you are utterly clueless. Yet according to you I'm the one who lacks life experience because I know something as factually correct as the sky being blue.

So either our HC system isn't f***ed and we don't have large numbers of people without HC or are at risk of losing HC or there is an endless wave of jobs providing HC for unskilled workers. The first is a concensus even among righties. Hell its political suicide to even contest the notion. The second is laughably untrue.

So shame on me for assuming you wouldn't oppose common knowledge that is as accurate as the notion as the sky being blue. Let me guess Alex Jones is a quality source of news right?

Remind me again what's your profession? And tell us again about your internship with your brother.

I love it. You got burned so badly you go down that road...twice because you can't win while staying on topic.

So no real life experience to speak of. And burned, please.

(06-16-2017 09:12 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  So in John's world. experience and real-life wisdom are to be criticized? What an interesting perspective. And in the spirit of UMBLUEGRAY's post, I would like some rationale and clarification of that comment prior to reverting to attack mode.

Since Joan decided not to clarify his comments, one must assume the following (again please correct me if I have made an error here) about Lil' Joannie's beliefs:

1. Because someone has a grandson that is a problem related to cognitive ability to analyze politics.
2. She has a better perspective because she is young.
3. She has a better perspective because she lacks the professional experience in those very areas that many of us older folks work. Those that are employed as practicing engineers, for example, know nothing about Climate Change and those that have extensive government and/or military experience know nothing about how government and/or military work.
4. She is smarter than everyone else, and when challenged will throw out insults, particularly after writing a page long diatribe that normally can be summed up as cherry-picked information, innuendo, and incorrect conclusions.
5. She apparently interned with her brother. Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode when Kramer has an intern to help him run Kramerica Industries.

Joan, we do not dismiss your arguments because you are young and naive. We dismiss your arguments because your arguments are ignorant and lack the perspective of real-world experience. Not that our side is always correct, either, but you have a agitating conversational style that is perceived as Obama-like, arrogant and idealistic. Tone that down a little, and you may find the better exchanges you claim to seek.

(06-17-2017 09:35 AM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Not that our side is always correct, either, but you have a agitating conversational style that is perceived as Obama-like, arrogant and idealistic. Tone that down a little, and you may find the better exchanges you claim to seek.

The guy wont disavow the Scalise shooter, so I wouldnt hold my breath to him toning anything down.

(06-17-2017 12:00 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 09:52 PM)Hood-rich Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 07:54 AM)john01992 Wrote:  

(06-16-2017 07:32 AM)gdunn Wrote:  This is where Johnnyzero'alt real life experience is shown. Most full time jobs offer these benefits. You have to be willing to work the hours. Sometimes if you're a single parent, you can't.

I lack real life experience? Clearly you are the one lacking RL experience because you would know that a huge faction of unskilled minimum wage workers are purposely not given full time so their employers don't have to provide those benefits. I mean seriously it is common knowledge that a large segment of the population can't get HC because it isn't easily available. If you think it's a question of workers rejecting those hours then you are utterly clueless. Yet according to you I'm the one who lacks life experience because I know something as factually correct as the sky being blue.

45% of private sector jobs provide health benefits. Better than I thought tbh. I'm sure the public sector is close to 100%. Probably pushes the overall significantly higher than 50%.

Who knows how many of those are minimum wage? Even so many of them probably quality for Medicare/Medicaid. Either way that should be an incentive to work harder.

http://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator...2asc%22%7D

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And you still believe the "work harder" line of crap after you just cited not even half of private sector jobs provide HC?

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