Democrats and leftist leaders definitely have instigated the crap that has been going on, they are at the very least partially responsible for this extremism ideologue coming out of the left. Filling hearts with hate is a dangerous game to play and puts individual freedom of all at risk.

(06-14-2017 07:19 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  People like that lady are a menace to society and the world would be a better place if they did just ice them.

That said, there is nothing wrong with an opinion of a political stance but when you think yours entitles you to kill or destroy people then you lose your place at the civil table. That includes encouraging others to do anything outside the elections.

The Democrats do have blood on their hands right now because this is what you get when you quit talking about winning elections and encourage people to resist and fight. The left need to take their rhetoric down several pegs because this is what they are creating by encouraging there to be fights outside the ballot box they clearly lost.

Very good point(s).

Lost at the ballot box, now take to the streets for insurrection. Bad form.

(06-14-2017 06:54 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  So ideology does not matter if someone commits violence?

What I said is that just because a violent person claims to be affiliated with some group, doesn't mean the violence can be attributed to that group. What I'm talking about has nothing to do with motive.

(06-14-2017 06:54 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  Guess Pol Pot and Stalin were not really commies or Hitler really a Nazi, or ISIS not an Islamic group. For that matter, KKK lynchings cannot be attributed to any ideology either.

None of these comes close to being a valid comparison to an insane person attempting to murder politicians in public.

(06-14-2017 07:37 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If you take a statement of fact as a personal insult then that's your problem, not mine.

Your opinion isn't a fact.

Regular liberals, of which there are many, can’t tone it down because if they do the loony left will tear them to pieces. Antifa will use their flag poles with nails against those deemed not sufficiently dedicated to the progressive cause sooner than later......

It's time for regular liberals to reclaim the mantle of their party away from the current crop of pro-facist, left-wing domestic terrorists.

Do it. You have my support.

(06-15-2017 09:13 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Regular liberals, of which there are many, can’t tone it down because if they do the loony left will tear them to pieces. Antifa will use their flag poles with nails against those deemed not sufficiently dedicated to the progressive cause sooner than later......

It's time for regular liberals to reclaim the mantle of their party away from the current crop of pro-facist, left-wing domestic terrorists.

Do it. You have my support.

You're talking about 0.00001%. Nothing needs to be reclaimed from such a minority. They never claimed anything, in the first place.

(06-15-2017 09:21 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 09:13 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Regular liberals, of which there are many, can’t tone it down because if they do the loony left will tear them to pieces. Antifa will use their flag poles with nails against those deemed not sufficiently dedicated to the progressive cause sooner than later......

It's time for regular liberals to reclaim the mantle of their party away from the current crop of pro-facist, left-wing domestic terrorists.

Do it. You have my support.

You're talking about 0.00001%. Nothing needs to be reclaimed from such a minority. They never claimed anything, in the first place.

They once laid claim to a crapload more house seats, senate seats, governships, and state house seats. But keep on down that path you guys are traveling.

No members of anti-fascist action groups have ever held house seats, senate seats, governorships, and state house seats.

They're 0.00001% extremists.

(06-15-2017 09:32 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  No members of anti-fascist action groups have ever held house seats, senate seats, governorships, and state house seats.

They're 0.00001% extremists.

Keep on down that path.

Just stating facts!

(06-15-2017 09:21 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  You're talking about 0.00001%. Nothing needs to be reclaimed from such a minority. They never claimed anything, in the first place.

I, with all my heart, wish that you were correct.

I fear, honestly, that you are not.

(06-15-2017 09:13 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Regular liberals, of which there are many, can’t tone it down because if they do the loony left will tear them to pieces. Antifa will use their flag poles with nails against those deemed not sufficiently dedicated to the progressive cause sooner than later......

It's time for regular liberals to reclaim the mantle of their party away from the current crop of pro-facist, left-wing domestic terrorists.

Do it. You have my support.

Remember kids...

(06-15-2017 09:55 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I, with all my heart, wish that you were correct.

I fear, honestly, that you are not.

*IMO* an irrational fear.

(06-15-2017 10:06 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 09:55 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  I, with all my heart, wish that you were correct.

I fear, honestly, that you are not.

*IMO* an irrational fear.

One of us is correct. I hope it is you.

(06-15-2017 09:21 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 09:13 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Regular liberals, of which there are many, can’t tone it down because if they do the loony left will tear them to pieces. Antifa will use their flag poles with nails against those deemed not sufficiently dedicated to the progressive cause sooner than later......

It's time for regular liberals to reclaim the mantle of their party away from the current crop of pro-facist, left-wing domestic terrorists.

Do it. You have my support.

You're talking about 0.00001%. Nothing needs to be reclaimed from such a minority. They never claimed anything, in the first place.

I really wish you were right about that...

It's a minority but it's a much louder / larger minority than that, and it's the growing heart of the left.

Look the marxist left which used to be very tiny had beased their entire philosphy on "class struggle" it needed internal conflict. But the problem is that despite some stupid rich people scewing the "wealth gap" most Americans have class mobility and some comfort.

There is not enough fuel for the fire.

So they shifted 20 years ago to "intersectionalism" which creates those internal conflicts not on class but on gender/race.

It's now mainstream in academia to say "All whites are racists and only whites can be racists". Therefore we now see a permanent class fight, social marxism, has become the weapon of the far-far left.

And the far left / center left picked up that weapon and ran with it.

*IMO* you're projecting what you want to be the truth, Bull. Not the actual truth.

Even the just "far left" (only one far), let alone the center left, do not call for acts of violence.


Calling for acts of violence is as fringe as it gets. They need to be dealt with swiftly, and harshly.

(06-15-2017 10:14 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  *IMO* you're projecting what you want to be the truth, Bull. Not the actual truth.

That's your opinion and you're welcome to it. I won't even try to stop you from speaking it in a public setting.

Quote:Even the just "far left" (only one far), let alone the center left, do not call for acts of violence.

That depends on what we mean by violence right? I mean I think preventing people from going to hear milo speak is an act of violence, do you...

And keep in mind, as I've said, my concern is not the nut jobs because there are nut jobs everywhere.

My concern is that the language of the left has enabled and emboldened these nutjobs.

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/alec-baldwin...brien-1998
(sorry can't find it on youtube)

This was 20 years ago, and the left has only gotten worse. Baldwin went on national TV and called for physical violence against GOP congress critters. HuffPo writers today, after the shooting, say "meh, he was a bad guy"

The "Nazi" language, the "Fascists" language, it's all ramped up.

I don't think your center left person or even really left person want's this violence but I think they tacitly endorse it by adopting the tenants and language of the antifa marxists.

I can't stop you from believing that, and I doubt I can convince you otherwise.

All I can say is that any calls for any type of violence should be condemned. I condemn them, but I'm just one person with one vote.

(06-15-2017 10:57 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  All I can say is that any calls for any type of violence should be condemned. I condemn them, but I'm just one person with one vote.

But as I say, if you tell a crazy person that the GOP changing how the federal gov't is "literally killing 10,000 people" you have added to their insanity.

Not to the level that it's "your fault" in any way, but to the level that when enough people do it more violence will happen.

(06-15-2017 11:18 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(06-15-2017 10:57 AM)MplsBison Wrote:  All I can say is that any calls for any type of violence should be condemned. I condemn them, but I'm just one person with one vote.

But as I say, if you tell a crazy person that the GOP changing how the federal gov't is "literally killing 10,000 people" you have added to their insanity.

Not to the level that it's "your fault" in any way, but to the level that when enough people do it more violence will happen.

to deny the link between taking away healthcare and people dying is akin to saying no one ever died from cigarettes.

(06-15-2017 11:18 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  But as I say, if you tell a crazy person that the GOP changing how the federal gov't is "literally killing 10,000 people" you have added to their insanity.

Not to the level that it's "your fault" in any way, but to the level that when enough people do it more violence will happen.

There is no proof of this, whatsoever. Again, I think you're projecting what you want to be the truth.