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RE: For those proponents of alcohol at Cary Zable
I love the West Virginia example.

They sell alcohol and have a no re-entry policy to address alcohol behavioral issues, and it worked, and they made money.

Conversely, at the College of Knowledge, we don't sell alcohol and have a no re-entry policy to address ... what exactly? ... has it worked? ... have we made money?

We have got to get 21 year old students and young alumni to the football games, or there will be no fan base in the future. The failure to sell alcohol flies in the face of almost every public venue of almost every public event that I have attended in my life.

It ... is ... bone-headed ... not ... to ... do ... this!
12-12-2017 12:03 PM
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Man, the ellipses really make the argument. $500K for WVU is a drop in the bucket. They made almost $105M in 2015-16. They've had issues with crowd behavior in the past. Plus I don't believe they've ever had issues with student attendance at games, so offering the 1/4 of the student base the ability to drink probably doesn't matter. Football is a tradition there. I don't think WVU cares about students buying beer either- they care about getting the fans who work and make money to buy beer, because they have more disposable income.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

It's disingenuous to point to much larger schools making money, point to that same pile of money and say "W&M could have that pile of money!". The evidence suggests W&M wouldn't really make a lot of money on it. This is not to say they shouldn't sell beer at the games (I believe I said as much at the beginning of this thread), but any revenues for W&M wouldn't be much of a game changer. What would probably help more is having a good team with a functional offense. After that would be to get concessions produced after 1977. Third on the list would be alcohol.
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RE: For those proponents of alcohol at Cary Zable
We should keep adding things to the game experience that make the fans want to be inside the gates instead of at their cars tailgating or just not coming at all.

Here some really simple ideas:

Food trucks
A beer truck or two
Margarita machine(s)
Corn Hole or other games over behind the end zones and near the beer truck
Good wifi
Anything that makes noise and keeps some of our fans awake
12-12-2017 01:21 PM
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RE: For those proponents of alcohol at Cary Zable
For me, the money is all gravy. There should be beer at sporting events just because.
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RE: For those proponents of alcohol at Cary Zable
My point exactly. You will make more money by selling more tickets and once you have butts in seats you can sell them stuff.

(12-12-2017 01:53 PM)zablenoise Wrote:  For me, the money is all gravy. There should be beer at sporting events just because.
12-12-2017 03:12 PM
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(12-12-2017 12:25 PM)Rocco Wrote:  Man, the ellipses really make the argument. $500K for WVU is a drop in the bucket. They made almost $105M in 2015-16. They've had issues with crowd behavior in the past. Plus I don't believe they've ever had issues with student attendance at games, so offering the 1/4 of the student base the ability to drink probably doesn't matter. Football is a tradition there. I don't think WVU cares about students buying beer either- they care about getting the fans who work and make money to buy beer, because they have more disposable income.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

It's disingenuous to point to much larger schools making money, point to that same pile of money and say "W&M could have that pile of money!". The evidence suggests W&M wouldn't really make a lot of money on it. This is not to say they shouldn't sell beer at the games (I believe I said as much at the beginning of this thread), but any revenues for W&M wouldn't be much of a game changer. What would probably help more is having a good team with a functional offense. After that would be to get concessions produced after 1977. Third on the list would be alcohol.

Oh, I'm sorry ... I didn't know there was a prioritized list. Let me know what I can, and can't talk about, and in what order, and I'll be sure to try to keep you happy.

Are you Roman Catholic? If you are, you will be familiar with the saying, "the Church was built on the pennies of the poor".

You're (a) once again moving the goalposts (eg. pile of money, game changer) and (b) not seeing the forest through the trees, all in the name of being a contrarian.

It boils down to this. One has to "play the game" to be part of the game.

Alcohol. Marching band. Video boards. Merchandising. Coaching salaries. Recruiting budget. COA. They're all part of "playing the game". Some of these are minor items; some are major. Regardless, there are things you just have to do.

Finally, you're a bright guy. Student and young alumni attendance at sporting events is, IMO, the #1 long range issue facing Tribe athletics. Every little bit helps in that regard.
12-12-2017 03:22 PM
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RE: For those proponents of alcohol at Cary Zable
Not that hard to figure out numbers. If you sell a $6 beer to 1 out of every 5 fans that come into the stadium and you average only 10k/game for 6 games, then you're looking at revenue of $72k/year. Manage to sell two beers and you're double that. It's not going to line the coffers, but it will cover a few scholarships.

But it's more about fan experience. I can get a couple of beers and some good food off of a food truck while checking out some good football on an awesome October afternoon. Nothing wrong with that.
12-12-2017 03:56 PM
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(12-12-2017 03:22 PM)nj alum Wrote:  
(12-12-2017 12:25 PM)Rocco Wrote:  Man, the ellipses really make the argument. $500K for WVU is a drop in the bucket. They made almost $105M in 2015-16. They've had issues with crowd behavior in the past. Plus I don't believe they've ever had issues with student attendance at games, so offering the 1/4 of the student base the ability to drink probably doesn't matter. Football is a tradition there. I don't think WVU cares about students buying beer either- they care about getting the fans who work and make money to buy beer, because they have more disposable income.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

It's disingenuous to point to much larger schools making money, point to that same pile of money and say "W&M could have that pile of money!". The evidence suggests W&M wouldn't really make a lot of money on it. This is not to say they shouldn't sell beer at the games (I believe I said as much at the beginning of this thread), but any revenues for W&M wouldn't be much of a game changer. What would probably help more is having a good team with a functional offense. After that would be to get concessions produced after 1977. Third on the list would be alcohol.

Oh, I'm sorry ... I didn't know there was a prioritized list. Let me know what I can, and can't talk about, and in what order, and I'll be sure to try to keep you happy.

Are you Roman Catholic? If you are, you will be familiar with the saying, "the Church was built on the pennies of the poor".

You're (a) once again moving the goalposts (eg. pile of money, game changer) and (b) not seeing the forest through the trees, all in the name of being a contrarian.

It boils down to this. One has to "play the game" to be part of the game.

Alcohol. Marching band. Video boards. Merchandising. Coaching salaries. Recruiting budget. COA. They're all part of "playing the game". Some of these are minor items; some are major. Regardless, there are things you just have to do.

Finally, you're a bright guy. Student and young alumni attendance at sporting events is, IMO, the #1 long range issue facing Tribe athletics. Every little bit helps in that regard.

Look at you being all snarky. You're the one that brought up alcohol sales as a moneymaker, not me. You're the one talking about money schools with much larger stadiums are making as if W&M would make anything close to that.

I'm not sure how you can say I'm being a contrarian when I'm saying they should sell alcohol at games. I'm simply disagreeing with it doing all that much to either make money or grow the fanbase. It's a nice thing to have. There are deeper structural problems. The product is most important, and that's what is lacking now as compared to when most of us were at W&M.
12-12-2017 05:07 PM
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(12-12-2017 03:56 PM)TribeNiner Wrote:  Not that hard to figure out numbers. If you sell a $6 beer to 1 out of every 5 fans that come into the stadium and you average only 10k/game for 6 games, then you're looking at revenue of $72k/year. Manage to sell two beers and you're double that. It's not going to line the coffers, but it will cover a few scholarships.

But it's more about fan experience. I can get a couple of beers and some good food off of a food truck while checking out some good football on an awesome October afternoon. Nothing wrong with that.

The problem is it doesn't look like they'd make that much, just based on what schools slightly bigger than they are made. They should still at least explore it because it would improve things for fans.
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For those proponents of alcohol at Cary Zable
I wonder what the DUI numbers look like. Drink before the game, have 3 hours to gain your sobriety, then drive home vs drink before the game, spend the next 3 hours maintaining intoxication and drive home under the influence.
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