(07-12-2017 09:43 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Something tells me Lynch is helping the QB in the run game. Whichever shows they can run and make a good read is the starter....hopefully. I know the video is old, small sample size, but Childers isn't the fastest guy, but he can take the hit and will make some contact. Seemed to have touch, knew when to decide quick throw the ball (or run)and not run around to keep a play alive. Runs N/S not E/W.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCD7BX_Nndg

Santa is likely faster, but you aren't going to make guys miss on this level. 26 rushes with a long of 21. Small sample but not overwhelming and to me enough to confirm. Maybe Childers bulked got some muscle and got a little speed...I hope.

And Graham.... well......

Graham really seems like a great kid but wow oh wow , if he is your starting qb this year , just a program in total disarray and ineptitude.

(07-13-2017 01:59 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 09:43 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Something tells me Lynch is helping the QB in the run game. Whichever shows they can run and make a good read is the starter....hopefully. I know the video is old, small sample size, but Childers isn't the fastest guy, but he can take the hit and will make some contact. Seemed to have touch, knew when to decide quick throw the ball (or run)and not run around to keep a play alive. Runs N/S not E/W.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCD7BX_Nndg

Santa is likely faster, but you aren't going to make guys miss on this level. 26 rushes with a long of 21. Small sample but not overwhelming and to me enough to confirm. Maybe Childers bulked got some muscle and got a little speed...I hope.

And Graham.... well......

Graham really seems like a great kid but wow oh wow , if he is your starting qb this year , just a program in total disarray and ineptitude.

Childers has the most potential of the crew.... Hopefully he got better since the Spring.

(07-12-2017 10:45 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 07:24 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 06:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 04:12 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  

(06-29-2017 02:29 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  No offense to Logan Woodside, but if he is the best QB in the conference, which it appears he may be, that says much more about the MAC this year like someone mentioned. I don't get the Riley Neal thing either, NIU and Ball State should be switched in these rankings. NIU has one of the worst QB situations in the conference right now.

I'm confused? Is this a dig on Logan? He was the best or top3 in the entire G5?? He led the nation in passing TD's??? He just won the manning QB camp MVP. He' going to get drafted...

No its a dig on the MAC, not much talent at QB this year

We like ours a lot........if our OLine can protect him after losing both OT's to the NFL.

....yeah, you have such a hard time finding Olineman at UT.....

Lost the LT Storm Norton not RT Elijah Nkansah.

(07-13-2017 09:19 AM)BDB5yp Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 01:59 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 09:43 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Something tells me Lynch is helping the QB in the run game. Whichever shows they can run and make a good read is the starter....hopefully. I know the video is old, small sample size, but Childers isn't the fastest guy, but he can take the hit and will make some contact. Seemed to have touch, knew when to decide quick throw the ball (or run)and not run around to keep a play alive. Runs N/S not E/W.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCD7BX_Nndg

Santa is likely faster, but you aren't going to make guys miss on this level. 26 rushes with a long of 21. Small sample but not overwhelming and to me enough to confirm. Maybe Childers bulked got some muscle and got a little speed...I hope.

And Graham.... well......

Graham really seems like a great kid but wow oh wow , if he is your starting qb this year , just a program in total disarray and ineptitude.

Childers has the most potential of the crew.... Hopefully he got better since the Spring.

And this is based on what body of work? 2 series in a controlled scrimmage? Again, Graham is the only known commodity; Santa has 6 quarters of experience (and got progressively better); Childers has not played a game. Until we saw Hall throw, most thought he was the answer. Don't count out Graham getting better.

(07-13-2017 01:24 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 09:19 AM)BDB5yp Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 01:59 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 09:43 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Something tells me Lynch is helping the QB in the run game. Whichever shows they can run and make a good read is the starter....hopefully. I know the video is old, small sample size, but Childers isn't the fastest guy, but he can take the hit and will make some contact. Seemed to have touch, knew when to decide quick throw the ball (or run)and not run around to keep a play alive. Runs N/S not E/W.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCD7BX_Nndg

Santa is likely faster, but you aren't going to make guys miss on this level. 26 rushes with a long of 21. Small sample but not overwhelming and to me enough to confirm. Maybe Childers bulked got some muscle and got a little speed...I hope.

And Graham.... well......

Graham really seems like a great kid but wow oh wow , if he is your starting qb this year , just a program in total disarray and ineptitude.

Childers has the most potential of the crew.... Hopefully he got better since the Spring.

And this is based on what body of work? 2 series in a controlled scrimmage? Again, Graham is the only known commodity; Santa has 6 quarters of experience (and got progressively better); Childers has not played a game. Until we saw Hall throw, most thought he was the answer. Don't count out Graham getting better.

We've seen Graham's body of work 2 years in a row. He didn't get better, He got worst. The fact that Childers is playing at the level of Graham and Santa in practice is all the body of work I need. Chandler Harnish had no body of work when he started his first game against Minnesota. I think we've seen Graham's potential peak. Time for a fresh start, don't you think?

(07-13-2017 02:21 PM)BDB5yp Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 01:24 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 09:19 AM)BDB5yp Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 01:59 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 09:43 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Something tells me Lynch is helping the QB in the run game. Whichever shows they can run and make a good read is the starter....hopefully. I know the video is old, small sample size, but Childers isn't the fastest guy, but he can take the hit and will make some contact. Seemed to have touch, knew when to decide quick throw the ball (or run)and not run around to keep a play alive. Runs N/S not E/W.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCD7BX_Nndg

Santa is likely faster, but you aren't going to make guys miss on this level. 26 rushes with a long of 21. Small sample but not overwhelming and to me enough to confirm. Maybe Childers bulked got some muscle and got a little speed...I hope.

And Graham.... well......

Graham really seems like a great kid but wow oh wow , if he is your starting qb this year , just a program in total disarray and ineptitude.

Childers has the most potential of the crew.... Hopefully he got better since the Spring.

And this is based on what body of work? 2 series in a controlled scrimmage? Again, Graham is the only known commodity; Santa has 6 quarters of experience (and got progressively better); Childers has not played a game. Until we saw Hall throw, most thought he was the answer. Don't count out Graham getting better.

We've seen Graham's body of work 2 years in a row. He didn't get better, He got worst. The fact that Childers is playing at the level of Graham and Santa in practice is all the body of work I need. Chandler Harnish had no body of work when he started his first game against Minnesota. I think we've seen Graham's potential peak. Time for a fresh start, don't you think?

I agree with this. Graham is not going to get better He has big physical limitations. Very weak arm

(07-13-2017 11:20 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 10:45 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 07:24 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 06:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 04:12 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  I'm confused? Is this a dig on Logan? He was the best or top3 in the entire G5?? He led the nation in passing TD's??? He just won the manning QB camp MVP. He' going to get drafted...

No its a dig on the MAC, not much talent at QB this year

We like ours a lot........if our OLine can protect him after losing both OT's to the NFL.

....yeah, you have such a hard time finding Olineman at UT.....

Lost the LT Storm Norton not RT Elijah Nkansah.

You ding dongs - an EMU fan wrote that.

(07-13-2017 02:39 PM)Carolina Rocket Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 11:20 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 10:45 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 07:24 PM)EagleTough Wrote:  

(07-09-2017 06:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  No its a dig on the MAC, not much talent at QB this year

We like ours a lot........if our OLine can protect him after losing both OT's to the NFL.

....yeah, you have such a hard time finding Olineman at UT.....

Lost the LT Storm Norton not RT Elijah Nkansah.

You ding dongs - the EMU fan wrote that.

Fixed

(07-13-2017 01:24 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 09:19 AM)BDB5yp Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 01:59 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 09:43 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Something tells me Lynch is helping the QB in the run game. Whichever shows they can run and make a good read is the starter....hopefully. I know the video is old, small sample size, but Childers isn't the fastest guy, but he can take the hit and will make some contact. Seemed to have touch, knew when to decide quick throw the ball (or run)and not run around to keep a play alive. Runs N/S not E/W.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCD7BX_Nndg

Santa is likely faster, but you aren't going to make guys miss on this level. 26 rushes with a long of 21. Small sample but not overwhelming and to me enough to confirm. Maybe Childers bulked got some muscle and got a little speed...I hope.

And Graham.... well......

Graham really seems like a great kid but wow oh wow , if he is your starting qb this year , just a program in total disarray and ineptitude.

Childers has the most potential of the crew.... Hopefully he got better since the Spring.

And this is based on what body of work? 2 series in a controlled scrimmage? Again, Graham is the only known commodity; Santa has 6 quarters of experience (and got progressively better); Childers has not played a game. Until we saw Hall throw, most thought he was the answer. Don't count out Graham getting better.

As far as Hall I wonder if his unimpressive throwing was due to trying to master some changes to his mechanics (I hope, anyway). Anyone watched his highlights close enough to see if he had some mechanical flaws in high school that the coaches may be trying correct?

I don't really have the time nor the skill to watch his high school highlights and compare it to those from the Spring scrimmage to see if something is different, but I'm curious if that may be it. I'm hoping he looked the way he did because he is trying to throw the ball a little differently than what he was accustomed to. Either way, I don't think there is much chance we will see him play this year.

(07-13-2017 08:35 PM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 01:24 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 09:19 AM)BDB5yp Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 01:59 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 09:43 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Something tells me Lynch is helping the QB in the run game. Whichever shows they can run and make a good read is the starter....hopefully. I know the video is old, small sample size, but Childers isn't the fastest guy, but he can take the hit and will make some contact. Seemed to have touch, knew when to decide quick throw the ball (or run)and not run around to keep a play alive. Runs N/S not E/W.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCD7BX_Nndg

Santa is likely faster, but you aren't going to make guys miss on this level. 26 rushes with a long of 21. Small sample but not overwhelming and to me enough to confirm. Maybe Childers bulked got some muscle and got a little speed...I hope.

And Graham.... well......

Graham really seems like a great kid but wow oh wow , if he is your starting qb this year , just a program in total disarray and ineptitude.

Childers has the most potential of the crew.... Hopefully he got better since the Spring.

And this is based on what body of work? 2 series in a controlled scrimmage? Again, Graham is the only known commodity; Santa has 6 quarters of experience (and got progressively better); Childers has not played a game. Until we saw Hall throw, most thought he was the answer. Don't count out Graham getting better.

As far as Hall I wonder if his unimpressive throwing was due to trying to master some changes to his mechanics (I hope, anyway). Anyone watched his highlights close enough to see if he had some mechanical flaws in high school that the coaches may be trying correct?

I don't really have the time nor the skill to watch his high school highlights and compare it to those from the Spring scrimmage to see if something is different, but I'm curious if that may be it. I'm hoping he looked the way he did because he is trying to throw the ball a little differently than what he was accustomed to. Either way, I don't think there is much chance we will see him play this year.

I've never really looked at his feet when he's throwing in his HS highlights, but you can see he has a very low release point on his throw. Almost side arm. I don't think too many QBs make that work well. Not at a high level. Don't recall if he altered that at all in the spring game. HS highlights often are of the way down field, lob variety. You really need to see timing routes and intermediate passes to check his accuracy and mechanics.

(07-13-2017 02:21 PM)BDB5yp Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 01:24 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 09:19 AM)BDB5yp Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 01:59 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(07-12-2017 09:43 PM)randyfensfanclub1 Wrote:  Something tells me Lynch is helping the QB in the run game. Whichever shows they can run and make a good read is the starter....hopefully. I know the video is old, small sample size, but Childers isn't the fastest guy, but he can take the hit and will make some contact. Seemed to have touch, knew when to decide quick throw the ball (or run)and not run around to keep a play alive. Runs N/S not E/W.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCD7BX_Nndg

Santa is likely faster, but you aren't going to make guys miss on this level. 26 rushes with a long of 21. Small sample but not overwhelming and to me enough to confirm. Maybe Childers bulked got some muscle and got a little speed...I hope.

And Graham.... well......

Graham really seems like a great kid but wow oh wow , if he is your starting qb this year , just a program in total disarray and ineptitude.

Childers has the most potential of the crew.... Hopefully he got better since the Spring.

And this is based on what body of work? 2 series in a controlled scrimmage? Again, Graham is the only known commodity; Santa has 6 quarters of experience (and got progressively better); Childers has not played a game. Until we saw Hall throw, most thought he was the answer. Don't count out Graham getting better.

We've seen Graham's body of work 2 years in a row. He didn't get better, He got worst. The fact that Childers is playing at the level of Graham and Santa in practice is all the body of work I need. Chandler Harnish had no body of work when he started his first game against Minnesota. I think we've seen Graham's potential peak. Time for a fresh start, don't you think?

What do I think?...I don't think it makes sense to assume an athlete, at the ripe old age of 20, has reached his limitations. In baseball, 22 year olds are still "prospects" a few years from thier prime. I question how we can claim Childers has the "most potential" given the limited body of work; he may have the most potential, I just don't understand how we can conclude this on two series of a controlled spring scrimmage. Based on his experience alone, Graham knows the offense better than any other QB; given the complexity of our offense, this is significant. I also think Santa gave us far more reasons to be optimistic than concerned. He ran for nearly 100 yards in the two quarters of play against EMU, his first game. In that game he did not throw well, but in his his first full game he passed for 258 yards, competing 56% of his passes (and had a 50 yard pass dropped by a now NFL receiver). I am not saying Childers does not provide an interesting option, he certainly does. I am simply saying that Graham deserves more respect than he gets from most on this site; and we know very little about Santa, but a 2-0 record in limited action, is certainly a good start. This fall camp will be interesting; all 3 are likely to have thier shot at some point.

(07-14-2017 07:31 AM)Djud Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 02:21 PM)BDB5yp Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 01:24 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 09:19 AM)BDB5yp Wrote:  

(07-13-2017 01:59 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Graham really seems like a great kid but wow oh wow , if he is your starting qb this year , just a program in total disarray and ineptitude.

Childers has the most potential of the crew.... Hopefully he got better since the Spring.

And this is based on what body of work? 2 series in a controlled scrimmage? Again, Graham is the only known commodity; Santa has 6 quarters of experience (and got progressively better); Childers has not played a game. Until we saw Hall throw, most thought he was the answer. Don't count out Graham getting better.

We've seen Graham's body of work 2 years in a row. He didn't get better, He got worst. The fact that Childers is playing at the level of Graham and Santa in practice is all the body of work I need. Chandler Harnish had no body of work when he started his first game against Minnesota. I think we've seen Graham's potential peak. Time for a fresh start, don't you think?

What do I think?...I don't think it makes sense to assume anathlete, at the ripe old age of 20, has reached his limitations. In baseball, 22 year olds are still "prospects" a few years from thier prime years. I question how we can claim Childers has the "most potential". given the limited body of work; he may, I just don't understand how we can conclude this. Based on his experience alone, Graham knows the offense better than any other QB; given the complexity of our offense, this is significant. I also think Santa gave us far more reasons to be optimistic than concerned. He ran for nearly 100 yards in the two quarters of play against EMU, his first game. In that game he did not throw well, but in his his first full game he passed for 258 yards, competing 56% of his passes (and had a 50 yard pass dropped by a now NFL receiver). I am not saying Childers does not provide an interesting option, he certainly does. I am simply saying that Graham deserves more respect than he gets from most on this site; and we know very little about Santa, but a 2-0 record in limited action, is certainly a good start. This fall camp will be interesting; all 3 are likely to have thier shot at some point.

My biggest concern with Graham is the teams confidence in him. As cliche as it sounds, the QB is the leader and whom the rest of the team gets confidence from. I got the sense the team let down when Graham was running the O. I asked Randy something along those lines and he said something to the affect, yes, the team doesn't believe in Ryan. Take that for what it's worth. Some trust randy, some don't. I was a Graham supporter coming into 2016. I over valued what he brings; short accurate, quick passing. And completely over looked his inability to make plays. He just doesn't come up with the big play when it's needed. He's the opposite of Hare. Drew was awful on quick, short passes. But Drew made plays when it counted most.

EMU's starter will be Roback, the backup Porter got booted so we do not have a proven backup. Bringing in a JUCO as backup for this season although I do like the incoming frosh and frosh redshirt.