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Fair or not, many Herd fans see the 2017 season opener as a referendum on Holliday
What isn't said here is that Holliday has had a much easier path than his predecessor. Gone is UCF, ECU, Tulsa and a resurgent Memphis. He was never able to beat UCF, Even with a weakened CUSA, Holliday has managed to find teams like WKU that he simply can't win against.

His record against MAC teams hovers around .500 and last years debacle against Akron was simply embarrassing. Players get recruited and never see four years of playing time. Many have ended up in legal trouble.

Miami is program on the rise. The first game of the season, will be the bellwether for 2017. If Marshall doesn't win that game... look for a lot of ticket sales promotions the rest of the year.

http://www.underdogdynasty.com/2017/6/13...l-hot-seat
06-14-2017 06:49 AM
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RE: Fair or not, many Herd fans see the 2017 season opener as a referendum on Holliday
Would you rather Snyder still be here?
06-14-2017 07:14 AM
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(06-14-2017 06:49 AM)GreenSteve Wrote:  What isn't said here is that Holliday has had a much easier path than his predecessor. Gone is UCF, ECU, Tulsa and a resurgent Memphis. He was never able to beat UCF, Even with a weakened CUSA, Holliday has managed to find teams like WKU that he simply can't win against.

His record against MAC teams hovers around .500 and last years debacle against Akron was simply embarrassing. Players get recruited and never see four years of playing time. Many have ended up in legal trouble.

Miami is program on the rise. The first game of the season, will be the bellwether for 2017. If Marshall doesn't win that game... look for a lot of ticket sales promotions the rest of the year.

http://www.underdogdynasty.com/2017/6/13...l-hot-seat

How much easier has Holliday had it in conference? I think this person is missing the boat....

the easier part for Holliday has been OOC. That's where Marshall has scheduled different since 2011. Went from playing 3 OOC games vs BCS schools to hardly any till last season.



Memphis win total since Marshall join CUSA and left in 2012

2005 -20012
7
2
7
6
2
1
2
4

ECU had 4 our of 9 seasons...1 game with in .500

UFC could only put back to back wining seasons together 1 time in 8 seasons.
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RE: Fair or not, many Herd fans see the 2017 season opener as a referendum on Holliday
Those Snyder teams would've crushed last year's team. There is just no excitement around the program. We shouldn't be in this conference let alone losing to any of these schools we lost to last season. This year we play NC State, Cincinnati, and Southern Miss. Other than that nobody cares. If we have a good season (10+ wins) the Southern Miss game will be a great game. Anything less than that ghost town and a L.
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Must be the off season, polkhigh, is back. Don't worry folks, If it's anything like last year, he will be gone by the end of Sept. LOL
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RE: Fair or not, many Herd fans see the 2017 season opener as a referendum on Holliday
Can any of you guys explain what really happened to Marshall last year? When the Herd played at ODU, they were a complete mess on both offense and defense, not looking anything like the Marshall team I had seen the two previous years. There seemed to be some discord going on, with guys playing like they just did not care. I would be interested in what the hell was going on and whether or not it's been fixed for this year.

Cheers!
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RE: Fair or not, many Herd fans see the 2017 season opener as a referendum on Holliday
We had a ton of injuries all year, especially on the OL. Our QB got slammed against Akron and was skittish the rest of the year. Add to that rumors of inner team turmoil, mostly around the QB didn't help.

Doc kicks a lot of kids off the team for various reasons. That high attrition killed our depth and overall quality of play.

I don't expect a bunch of improvement this fall. We'll only start 2-3 seniors on each side of the ball. Hoping we can get on track in 2018. Long way to go.
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RE: Fair or not, many Herd fans see the 2017 season opener as a referendum on Holliday
(06-15-2017 10:04 AM)polkhigh Wrote:  Those Snyder teams would've crushed last year's team. There is just no excitement around the program. We shouldn't be in this conference let alone losing to any of these schools we lost to last season. This year we play NC State, Cincinnati, and Southern Miss. Other than that nobody cares. If we have a good season (10+ wins) the Southern Miss game will be a great game. Anything less than that ghost town and a L.

Poppycock.
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RE: Fair or not, many Herd fans see the 2017 season opener as a referendum on Holliday
(06-14-2017 09:53 AM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(06-14-2017 06:49 AM)GreenSteve Wrote:  What isn't said here is that Holliday has had a much easier path than his predecessor. Gone is UCF, ECU, Tulsa and a resurgent Memphis. He was never able to beat UCF, Even with a weakened CUSA, Holliday has managed to find teams like WKU that he simply can't win against.

His record against MAC teams hovers around .500 and last years debacle against Akron was simply embarrassing. Players get recruited and never see four years of playing time. Many have ended up in legal trouble.

Miami is program on the rise. The first game of the season, will be the bellwether for 2017. If Marshall doesn't win that game... look for a lot of ticket sales promotions the rest of the year.

http://www.underdogdynasty.com/2017/6/13...l-hot-seat

How much easier has Holliday had it in conference? I think this person is missing the boat....

the easier part for Holliday has been OOC. That's where Marshall has scheduled different since 2011. Went from playing 3 OOC games vs BCS schools to hardly any till last season.



Memphis win total since Marshall join CUSA and left in 2012

2005 -20012
7
2
7
6
2
1
2
4

ECU had 4 our of 9 seasons...1 game with in .500

UFC could only put back to back wining seasons together 1 time in 8 seasons.

I agree. The mere thought that UCF or Memphis (LOL) or any of the schools that went over to the merica is some loss of competition is ridiculous and been proven wrong over and over. The "rankings" of a conference fluctuate year to year. We were a mess under Snyder and NCAA sanctions didn't help the matter. Doc & Co. have had a terrible season last year but in my opinion it was a fluke and we EASILY get to a bowl game this year. Hell it only takes 5 wins right?!?!?! 04-bolt
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RE: Fair or not, many Herd fans see the 2017 season opener as a referendum on Holliday
(06-15-2017 11:25 AM)ODU AGGIE Wrote:  Can any of you guys explain what really happened to Marshall last year? When the Herd played at ODU, they were a complete mess on both offense and defense, not looking anything like the Marshall team I had seen the two previous years. There seemed to be some discord going on, with guys playing like they just did not care. I would be interested in what the hell was going on and whether or not it's been fixed for this year.

Cheers!

I blame injuries to an extent but there was def some "extra circular activities" going on behind the scenes. Huntington is too small and too many people talk. Now like any good telephone game stories change as they go down the line but when you start hearing the same stories from MANY sources and these sources are solid and not 20 people down the line then you realize that rumors and "injuries" are not always what you are lead to believe.

That being said I also know that there was a lot of growing up and I would be surprised if the debacle from last year was ever repeated.
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