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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
OK, same scenario as in the OP, but with a few changes. Here, instead of the SEC, Oklahoma has opted for the Big Ten and its better academic pedigree. Missouri stays put. The SEC still gets a foot in the door in OK by tapping OSU, which despite being the lesser Oklahoma school is no mere consolation prize. And despite UConn's substantially greater athletic revenue, the ACC hands its final rose to Cincinnati, which offers a better balance between football and basketball.

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ACC
East: Duke, North Carolina, Virginia, Virginia Tech
North: Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
South: Florida State, Miami, NC State, Wake Forest
West: Cincinnati, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Louisville

Protected crossovers: Duke/Wake Forest, NC State/North Carolina

Big Ten
East: Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers
North: Illinois, Iowa, Northwestern, Wisconsin
South: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
West: Kansas, Minnesota, Nebraska, Oklahoma

Protected crossovers: Michigan/Ohio State, Minnesota/Wisconsin

Pac-16
East: Houston, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech
North: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
South: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
West: California, Stanford, UCLA, USC

Protected crossovers: none

SEC
East: Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, West Virginia
North: Arkansas, Kentucky, Missouri, Oklahoma State
South: Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
West: LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Texas A&M

Protected crossovers: Auburn/Georgia, Kentucky/Tennessee

Annual interconference matchups
Clemson/South Carolina
Florida/Florida State
Georgia/Georgia Tech
Kentucky/Louisville
Notre Dame/USC
Oklahoma/Oklahoma State (Is the Red River Rivalry dead?)

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What do you think? More plausible than the OP?
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
The problem is this, some conference leaders do see several G5 schools could be part of the P5 or P4. Need to find a way to get schools like BYU, Houston, Memphis, Boise State, East Carolina and some others.
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
(06-23-2017 06:39 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  The problem is this, some conference leaders do see several G5 schools could be part of the P5 or P4. Need to find a way to get schools like BYU, Houston, Memphis, Boise State, East Carolina and some others.

Yep.
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
Same scenario as in the OP except the ACC adds Navy instead of UConn in order to accommodate new full member Notre Dame.

Any takes on how realistic this scenario is?

ACC
East: Duke, NC State, North Carolina, Wake Forest
North: Boston College, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Syracuse
South: Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami
West: Louisville, Navy, Virginia, Virginia Tech

Protected crossovers: Navy/Notre Dame, North Carolina/Virginia

Big Ten
East: Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers
North: Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
South: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
West: Illinois, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska

Protected crossovers: Illinois/Northwestern, Michigan/Ohio State

Pac-16
East: Houston, TCU, Texas, Texas Tech
North: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State
South: Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Utah
West: California, Stanford, UCLA, USC

Protected crossovers: none

SEC
East: Florida, Georgia, LSU, South Carolina
North: Kentucky, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, West Virginia
South: Alabama, Auburn, Mississippi State, Ole Miss
West: Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M

Protected crossovers: Alabama/Tennessee, Auburn/Georgia

The 3 remaining Big 12 members keep the conference name and absorb 9 of the 10 remaining AAC schools to make 12. UConn goes independent in football and moves its non-football sports back to the Big East.

Big 12
East: Central Florida, Cincinnati, East Carolina, Memphis, South Florida, Temple
West: Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa

The other G# conferences are not directly affected by the realignment.
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
(07-18-2017 09:19 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Same scenario as in the OP except the ACC adds Navy instead of UConn in order to accommodate new full member Notre Dame.

Any takes on how realistic this is

Big Ten
East: Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers
North: Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
South: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
West: Illinois, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska

Protected crossovers: Illinois/Northwestern, Michigan/Ohio State

If the big ten adds Ok and Kansas, I believe they would just go with simple east-west divisions. These pods are not ideal exactly because Minn, Wisc and Iowa want to be together. Ilinois and NW want to be together. Ohio State and Mich want to be together in same division.

If you just go with east-west divisions, no need for permanent cross-overs. Play 2 cross-overs a year. West teams can rotate playing PSU, OSU, Mich, MSU just 1 per year. East teams can rotate Ok, Neb, Iowa, Wisc just 1 per year.
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
(07-18-2017 09:34 AM)goofus Wrote:  
(07-18-2017 09:19 AM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  Same scenario as in the OP except the ACC adds Navy instead of UConn in order to accommodate new full member Notre Dame.

Any takes on how realistic this is

Big Ten
East: Maryland, Ohio State, Penn State, Rutgers
North: Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern, Wisconsin
South: Indiana, Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue
West: Illinois, Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska

Protected crossovers: Illinois/Northwestern, Michigan/Ohio State

If the big ten adds Ok and Kansas, I believe they would just go with simple east-west divisions. These pods are not ideal exactly because Minn, Wisc and Iowa want to be together. Ilinois and NW want to be together. Ohio State and Mich want to be together in same division.

If you just go with east-west divisions, no need for permanent cross-overs. Play 2 cross-overs a year. West teams can rotate playing PSU, OSU, Mich, MSU just 1 per year. East teams can rotate Ok, Neb, Iowa, Wisc just 1 per year.

Illinois/NW and Michigan/OSU are protected. Since the pods rotate between divisions, each pair will be in the same division half the time and have a protected crossover the other half of the time. And Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Iowa are in the same pod and so will always be in the same division and play each other every year.

Two 8-team divisions are rather unwieldy. With a 9-game conference schedule (and no protected crossovers), it would require 4 years to play all teams in the conference and 8 years for home-and-homes with all teams. Using pods means all teams except those with crossovers* can play within 2 years (or twice in 4 years) and play home-and-homes with all teams within 4 years.

* Teams with protected crossovers may require 3 years to play all teams in the conference.
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
What about a 4x18?
BIG
EAST
UConn
Rutgers
Penn State
Maryland
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan
Indiana
Purdue

WEST
Northwestern
Illinois
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Iowa
Missouri
Nebraska
Kansas

ACC
NORTH
Boston College
Syracuse
Pitt
Navy
Cincinnati
Louisville
Notre Dame
Virginia Tech
Virginia

SOUTH
North Carolina
Duke
NC State
Wake Forest
Clemson
Georgia Tech
Florida State
UCF
Miami

SEC
EAST
Kentucky
West Virginia
East Carolina
South Carolina
Georgia
Florida
South Florida
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Auburn

WEST
Alabama
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
LSU
Arkansas
Texas A&M
Baylor
TCU
Oklahoma

PAC-18
WEST
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Cal
Stanford
UCLA
USC
UNLV

WEST
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Colorado
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Texas Tech
Texas
Houston
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
(07-18-2017 09:50 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  What about a 4x18?

I like it! However, not so plausible.
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RE: Plausible Routes to a 4x16 Power Conference Alignment?
The question is what if the ACC Network failed to get launched? Big 10 and SEC will work together to pick apart the ACC. If all four conferences left decides to tear apart other conferences to get the best product to get to 4 24 pc0nferences? ACC left overs would be Syracuse, Miami, Boston College, Duke and Wake Forest. MWC and AAC would get picked apart, the MAC would lose a team or two. SBC and C-USA would get raided as well. 96 spots at the table. Depends who gets picked and who does not get picked. This would give the three military academies be part of the P4 structure. You could at least get 1 school from each state into the P4 without politics get involved for anti-trust being thrown about, and so forth. The P5 knows that states that don't have a school in the P5 would do what Utah politicians did and made threats of an anti-trust lawsuit against the P5 and the NCAA. They need to find a way to accept some schools from states not representative to the P5 structure.
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(07-18-2017 10:32 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  The question is what if the ACC Network failed to get launched? Big 10 and SEC will work together to pick apart the ACC. If all four conferences left decides to tear apart other conferences to get the best product to get to 4 24 pc0nferences? ACC left overs would be Syracuse, Miami, Boston College, Duke and Wake Forest. MWC and AAC would get picked apart, the MAC would lose a team or two. SBC and C-USA would get raided as well. 96 spots at the table. Depends who gets picked and who does not get picked. This would give the three military academies be part of the P4 structure. You could at least get 1 school from each state into the P4 without politics get involved for anti-trust being thrown about, and so forth. The P5 knows that states that don't have a school in the P5 would do what Utah politicians did and made threats of an anti-trust lawsuit against the P5 and the NCAA. They need to find a way to accept some schools from states not representative to the P5 structure.

The ACC Network will launch in two years. I don't know if anything could realistically prevent that from happening. I suppose that after launch it could fail to generate enough money, which might cause both parties to back out.
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