(06-13-2017 06:43 PM)Ranger Wrote:  If my memory serves me well, CSC was not selected until the seventh of eighth round, both times.

Yup. One of the great head scratchers.

Congrats to Gray on becoming a Pirate. I will be curious to see what he decides to do..

Though this topic has been discussed quite a bit recently, I think he signs.

(06-14-2017 11:47 AM)RiceOwl Wrote:  Though this topic has been discussed quite a bit recently, I think he signs.

I think I am going to have to agree with you on this. One thing that could influence this however would be the outcome of Graham's meeting with Karlgaard on his status.

(06-14-2017 11:47 AM)RiceOwl Wrote:  Though this topic has been discussed quite a bit recently, I think he signs.

100%

(06-14-2017 11:53 AM)TJS_NYC Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 11:47 AM)RiceOwl Wrote:  Though this topic has been discussed quite a bit recently, I think he signs.

100%

Yes. Otto, Myers, Gray are signing.

(06-14-2017 11:55 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 11:53 AM)TJS_NYC Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 11:47 AM)RiceOwl Wrote:  Though this topic has been discussed quite a bit recently, I think he signs.

100%

Yes. Otto, Myers, Gray are signing.

Some of you probably have more insight into this than I do, and we've talked about costs/scholarships elsewhere, but consider the following:
The average of tuition, room and board for the last 3 years has been $55,153/year. Assuming a 50% scholarship (does it cover just tuition, or everything?), that means that the parents of a player who has been at Rice for 3 years have invested almost $83K ($55,153 x 50% x 3) in the college endeavor. Given the small percentage of minor league players that actually make it to the bigs, it seems like a big investment to walk away from (although I guess they could always come back - but then they're paying full freight down the road). Sure, the signing bonus sometimes covers it but that also brings income taxes into play. Just wondering - as college costs continue to escalate, for how many parents (of even the great players) does it make economic sense to send a promising player to Rice, when (especially if in TX) instead could just play for a state school and get just as much exposure to MLB scouts. So, if they have the talent to get drafted after 3 years and are otherwise inclined to leave, what is the parents' rationale to make the large upfront investment at Rice vis-a-vis UT or A&M? Of course, if the talent doesn't transfer and not drafted, then they have at least stayed 4 years and received a discounted Rice degree.

(06-14-2017 12:19 PM)TJS_NYC Wrote:  (although I guess they could always come back - but then they're paying full freight down the road).

AFAIK, the standard CBA contract requires the team pay for school through the completion of a bachelors if done within X years of retirement from baseball.

e: found it:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/scholarship.jsp

And no requirement. Terms are negotiated, but you can certainly negotiate better terms than you're currently getting from your school.

(06-14-2017 12:19 PM)TJS_NYC Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 11:55 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 11:53 AM)TJS_NYC Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 11:47 AM)RiceOwl Wrote:  Though this topic has been discussed quite a bit recently, I think he signs.

100%

Yes. Otto, Myers, Gray are signing.

Some of you probably have more insight into this than I do, and we've talked about costs/scholarships elsewhere, but consider the following:
The average of tuition, room and board for the last 3 years has been $55,153/year. Assuming a 50% scholarship (does it cover just tuition, or everything?), that means that the parents of a player who has been at Rice for 3 years have invested almost $83K ($55,153 x 50% x 3) in the college endeavor. Given the small percentage of minor league players that actually make it to the bigs, it seems like a big investment to walk away from (although I guess they could always come back - but then they're paying full freight down the road). Sure, the signing bonus sometimes covers it but that also brings income taxes into play. Just wondering - as college costs continue to escalate, for how many parents (of even the great players) does it make economic sense to send a promising player to Rice, when (especially if in TX) instead could just play for a state school and get just as much exposure to MLB scouts. So, if they have the talent to get drafted after 3 years and are otherwise inclined to leave, what is the parents' rationale to make the large upfront investment at Rice vis-a-vis UT or A&M? Of course, if the talent doesn't transfer and not drafted, then they have at least stayed 4 years and received a discounted Rice degree.

Plus all the money they've invested in said player's development from tee ball to travel teams. I believe that MLB will reimburse a player for any future college costs (the amount subject to the player's individual contract), provided that they resume their studies no later than a few years after they retire from baseball. So I would imagine that any of these guys will not be paying full sticker price, if they choose to finish their degree.

Theoretically, if a player were talented enough, they really should go to a high profile JUCO and get drafted after one year. But to answer your last question (re: state school versus Rice), I don't think that's entirely dissimilar from a parent asking whether their non-athlete HS student should go to a private school versus a state school - just depends on whether they think the juice is worth the squeeze.

Plus, if they have done enough upper level credits during their three years at Rice, they can go anywhere they want (so long as Rice will accept their individual classes for transfer credit) and still cop that giant sheepskin.

(06-14-2017 11:52 AM)DirtyBirds52 Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 11:47 AM)RiceOwl Wrote:  Though this topic has been discussed quite a bit recently, I think he signs.

I think I am going to have to agree with you on this. One thing that could influence this however would be the outcome of Graham's meeting with Karlgaard on his status.

What meeting are you referring to?

(06-14-2017 02:08 PM)RiceOwl Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 11:52 AM)DirtyBirds52 Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 11:47 AM)RiceOwl Wrote:  Though this topic has been discussed quite a bit recently, I think he signs.

I think I am going to have to agree with you on this. One thing that could influence this however would be the outcome of Graham's meeting with Karlgaard on his status.

What meeting are you referring to?

From what I was told he and Karlgaard are meeting since Graham only has one year left on his contract. I am not sure if Graham is going into this fighting for an extension or how Karlgaard feels about giving him one. Karlgaard is usually too busy to worry about baseball so it is tough to read his feeling for the most important sports program at Rice.

Do I remember correctly that the odds of a player drafted in the 6th round or later actually making it to the Show are less than 1 in 10?

(06-14-2017 02:28 PM)Hardball Owl Wrote:  Do I remember correctly that the odds of a player drafted in the 6th round or later actually making it to the Show are less than 1 in 10?

To me, 1 in 10 would be a shockingly high percentage.

(06-14-2017 02:28 PM)Hardball Owl Wrote:  Do I remember correctly that the odds of a player drafted in the 6th round or later actually making it to the Show are less than 1 in 10?

I did not hear that, but I would think they would certainly be less than 10% Think of all the uber talented players we have had and few have made it to the majors - fewer still have had more than a passing affair with the majors.

(06-14-2017 03:16 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(06-14-2017 02:28 PM)Hardball Owl Wrote:  Do I remember correctly that the odds of a player drafted in the 6th round or later actually making it to the Show are less than 1 in 10?

To me, 1 in 10 would be a shockingly high percentage.

This. That said, here's additional granularity:

Quote:1st Round
The first round of MLB’s first-year player draft represents the cream of the crop, the top talent within the United States.

Still, by no means does that guarantee that those players will reach The Show, as only 66 percent of first-round picks play in the major leagues.


2nd Round
After the first round, each subsequent round features a significant dropoff in the chances of reaching the major leagues.

For those players drafted in the second round of the draft, the chances of reaching the major leagues drops to 49 percent.


Rounds 3-5
Rounds 3-5 are a major turning point where the odds begin to drastically decrease, as only 32 percent of players drafted reach the majors.


Rounds 6-10
And the likelihood of playing in the major leagues continues to worsen, as only 20 percent of players drafted in Rounds 6-10 reach The Show.


Rounds 11-20
The odds nearly slice in half from Rounds 6-10, as only 11 percent of players drafted in Rounds 11-20 reach the big leagues.


Rounds 21-40
Although there is less conclusive data considering the new collective bargaining agreement slashed the draft from 50 to 40 rounds this year, the chances of a player drafted after the 21st round reaching the major leagues is a slim seven percent. (It’s probably less now that 10 rounds have been cut from the draft.)

Source: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/12193...or-leagues

I would also wonder whether the changes to draft caps for first 10 rounds has changed any of this math.

Astros picked Trei Cruz in the 35th round.

Astros draft Trei Cruz in 35th round (undoubtedly knowing he's committed to Rice).

#Astros draft Episcopal SS Trei Cruz (@CruzTrei) grandson of former Astros star Jose Cruz n 35thround.Trei signed to play at @RiceBaseball.

Quote:Trei Cruz: "I was a little shocked; excited though. My grandpa is my role model. I want to follow in his footsteps; do everything he did. I'll probably end up going to Rice. It's still super exciting to know I have the opportunity coming. Hopefully, in three years I'll be 35 rounds higher by the Astros. Extremely huge honor. We'll see where we go in three years."

(06-14-2017 04:46 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  #Astros draft Episcopal SS Trei Cruz (@CruzTrei) grandson of former Astros star Jose Cruz n 35thround.Trei signed to play at @RiceBaseball.

Quote:Trei Cruz: "I was a little shocked; excited though. My grandpa is my role model. I want to follow in his footsteps; do everything he did. I'll probably end up going to Rice. It's still super exciting to know I have the opportunity coming. Hopefully, in three years I'll be 35 rounds higher by the Astros. Extremely huge honor. We'll see where we go in three years."

Well said, Trei!

We look forward to seeing you on the field at the Reck next spring (and this fall)!