(06-09-2017 10:56 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 08:33 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 08:18 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  The irony in this is that, that's how TCU got into the Big 12 to begin with.

Yeah, we'd have TCU in the American right now. That'd be nice for sure. Good thing for ECU that they moved on. They were the last team in.

If they weren't admitted to B12, they would still be in MW.

Also fake news TCU already had accepted an invite the Big East. They would have picked the conference with UConn, Cincinnati, and Texas members over Mountain West

(06-09-2017 11:31 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 10:56 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 08:33 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 08:18 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  The irony in this is that, that's how TCU got into the Big 12 to begin with.

Yeah, we'd have TCU in the American right now. That'd be nice for sure. Good thing for ECU that they moved on. They were the last team in.

If they weren't admitted to B12, they would still be in MW.

Also fake news TCU already had accepted an invite the Big East. They would have picked the conference with UConn, Cincinnati, and Texas members over Mountain West

Boise State most-likely would also be in the AAC (FB-only) had things not gone down as they did with TCU.

Well, if Mizzou doesn't leave, WVU doesn't get a life raft. Or else, the B12 adds two - Cincy and WVU?

But it's distinctly possible that the AAC would have West Virginia and TCU in the conference right now instead of Tulsa and Tulane. Possibly Boise, SDSU, and/or BYU as well.

(06-09-2017 09:00 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 08:33 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 08:18 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  The irony in this is that, that's how TCU got into the Big 12 to begin with.

Yeah, we'd have TCU in the American right now. That'd be nice for sure. Good thing for ECU that they moved on. They were the last team in.

FAKE NEWS. Tulsa was the last team in. I think ECU would have been in this conference even with TCU. Tulsa or Tulane would have been left out.

SMU would probably be left holding the bag with regards to the American, as I doubt the conference would have doubled down with TCU and SMU.

Of course if neither A&M or Missouri are in the SEC, then West Virginia is probably in the American as well. Tulsa was the last program invited to the American, which could back up either WKU or an upgrade from FCS (Charlotte, ODU, UTSA) to the Sun Belt.

(06-09-2017 11:36 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 11:31 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 10:56 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 08:33 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 08:18 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  The irony in this is that, that's how TCU got into the Big 12 to begin with.

Yeah, we'd have TCU in the American right now. That'd be nice for sure. Good thing for ECU that they moved on. They were the last team in.

If they weren't admitted to B12, they would still be in MW.

Also fake news TCU already had accepted an invite the Big East. They would have picked the conference with UConn, Cincinnati, and Texas members over Mountain West

Boise State most-likely would also be in the AAC (FB-only) had things not gone down as they did with TCU.

Yes. If TCU hadn't received the Big 12 lifeline, they would be in the AAC, not MWC.

I agree that Boise St. and SDSU most likely stay with the AAC with TCU around. Imagine if the AAC had kept TCU, Boise, and SDSU! I think the AAC has a chance to grab Air Force with Navy - no SMU, Tulane, or Tulsa:

2013 - lose Pitt and Syracuse; add TCU, Houston, Boise, SDSU, UCF, and Memphis

EAST: UConn, USF, Cincinnati, Rutgers, Temple, UCF
WEST: Louisville, TCU, Houston, Memphis, SDSU, Boise

2014 - lose Rutgers and Louisville; add ECU and Air Force

EAST: UConn, Temple, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, ECU
WEST: TCU, Houston, Memphis, SDSU, Boise, Air Force

2015 - Add Navy and one other. I think there's a decent chance that BYU would have joined. If not, Tulane?

EAST: UConn, Temple, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Memphis, ECU
WEST: TCU, Houston, Navy, SDSU, Boise, Air Force, BYU/Tulane

(06-09-2017 12:28 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 11:36 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 11:31 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 10:56 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 08:33 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Yeah, we'd have TCU in the American right now. That'd be nice for sure. Good thing for ECU that they moved on. They were the last team in.

If they weren't admitted to B12, they would still be in MW.

Also fake news TCU already had accepted an invite the Big East. They would have picked the conference with UConn, Cincinnati, and Texas members over Mountain West

Boise State most-likely would also be in the AAC (FB-only) had things not gone down as they did with TCU.

Yes. If TCU hadn't received the Big 12 lifeline, they would be in the AAC, not MWC.

I agree that Boise St. and SDSU most likely stay with the AAC with TCU around. Imagine if the AAC had kept TCU, Boise, and SDSU! I think the AAC has a chance to grab Air Force with Navy - no SMU, Tulane, or Tulsa:

2013 - lose Pitt and Syracuse; add TCU, Houston, Boise, SDSU, UCF, and Memphis

EAST: UConn, USF, Cincinnati, Rutgers, Temple, UCF
WEST: Louisville, TCU, Houston, Memphis, SDSU, Boise

2014 - lose Rutgers and Louisville; add ECU and Air Force

EAST: UConn, Temple, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, ECU
WEST: TCU, Houston, Memphis, SDSU, Boise, Air Force

2015 - Add Navy and one other. I think there's a decent chance that BYU would have joined. If not, Tulane?

EAST: UConn, Temple, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Memphis, ECU
WEST: TCU, Houston, Navy, SDSU, Boise, Air Force, BYU/Tulane

That would have left for 9 full time members, I think you would have seen Wichita State, Dayton, and VCU join for 12 full members for non-football sports.

Yeh, right, forgot AAC is power conference, if TCU had not gone, SMU and UH would be in MW, BYU would still be Indy.


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(06-09-2017 08:59 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 07:24 AM)Chappy Wrote:  What's a tung?

That would be twitter shorthand for tongue, as in "tongue in cheek" - a part of the link I guess nobody read, judging by the comments here.

"Tung and Cheek" is only one character less than "Tongue in Cheek", haha.

(06-09-2017 12:28 PM)YNot Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 11:36 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 11:31 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 10:56 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 08:33 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Yeah, we'd have TCU in the American right now. That'd be nice for sure. Good thing for ECU that they moved on. They were the last team in.

If they weren't admitted to B12, they would still be in MW.

Also fake news TCU already had accepted an invite the Big East. They would have picked the conference with UConn, Cincinnati, and Texas members over Mountain West

Boise State most-likely would also be in the AAC (FB-only) had things not gone down as they did with TCU.

Yes. If TCU hadn't received the Big 12 lifeline, they would be in the AAC, not MWC.

I agree that Boise St. and SDSU most likely stay with the AAC with TCU around. Imagine if the AAC had kept TCU, Boise, and SDSU! I think the AAC has a chance to grab Air Force with Navy - no SMU, Tulane, or Tulsa:

2013 - lose Pitt and Syracuse; add TCU, Houston, Boise, SDSU, UCF, and Memphis

EAST: UConn, USF, Cincinnati, Rutgers, Temple, UCF
WEST: Louisville, TCU, Houston, Memphis, SDSU, Boise

2014 - lose Rutgers and Louisville; add ECU and Air Force

EAST: UConn, Temple, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, ECU
WEST: TCU, Houston, Memphis, SDSU, Boise, Air Force

2015 - Add Navy and one other. I think there's a decent chance that BYU would have joined. If not, Tulane?

EAST: UConn, Temple, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Memphis, ECU
WEST: TCU, Houston, Navy, SDSU, Boise, Air Force, BYU/Tulane

You're forgetting about WVU. Had A&M and Missouri not gone to the SEC they would still be in the American/Big East too. I'm imagining the league would something like this for football:

EAST: UConn, Temple, WVU, Cincy, UCF, USF
WEST: Memphis, TCU, Houston, & FB onlys Navy, Boise St, and San Diego St

If Tulane was truly the straw that broke the camel's back then maybe the C7 would still be in the league but if not they still have 9 all-sports members and that's enough. San Diego St and Boise St park their Olympic sports in the Big West as planned and all is well. Maybe you coax BYU and Air Force or Air Force and Army to join as FB affiliates.

SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, and ECU stay in C-USA. C-USA still adds LA Tech, ODU, and FIU to return to 12. UNT (blocked by SMU), FAU, MTSU, and WKU all stay in the Sunbelt. Charlotte remains Indy in FB, A-10 for Olympics.

The SBC isn't hit nearly as hard. They select GA St, UTSA, and Texas St to be a 12 team FB league w/ UALR as their oddball.

The MWC still adds San Jose St and Utah St but leaves Idaho and NMSU out in the cold for at least a few years in hopes that they can lure back some of their lost big fish: Boise St, San Diego St, BYU, and TCU. There's no chance the last two ever come back; the first two are up for debate.

(06-09-2017 01:17 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Yeh, right, forgot AAC is power conference, if TCU had not gone, SMU and UH would be in MW, BYU would still be Indy.


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Houston had no interest in the MWC. It even turned down an invite if some rumors are to be believed. Houston likes playing in central/eastern time zone based conferences. Only an invite from the Pac-X could change that.

(06-09-2017 03:28 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  You're forgetting about WVU. Had A&M and Missouri not gone to the SEC they would still be in the American/Big East too. I'm imagining the league would something like this for football:

EAST: UConn, Temple, WVU, Cincy, UCF, USF
WEST: Memphis, TCU, Houston, & FB onlys Navy, Boise St, and San Diego St

If Tulane was truly the straw that broke the camel's back then maybe the C7 would still be in the league but if not they still have 9 all-sports members and that's enough. San Diego St and Boise St park their Olympic sports in the Big West as planned and all is well. Maybe you coax BYU and Air Force or Air Force and Army to join as FB affiliates.

SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, and ECU stay in C-USA. C-USA still adds LA Tech, ODU, and FIU to return to 12. UNT (blocked by SMU), FAU, MTSU, and WKU all stay in the Sunbelt. Charlotte remains Indy in FB, A-10 for Olympics.

The SBC isn't hit nearly as hard. They select GA St, UTSA, and Texas St to be a 12 team FB league w/ UALR as their oddball.

The MWC still adds San Jose St and Utah St but leaves Idaho and NMSU out in the cold for at least a few years in hopes that they can lure back some of their lost big fish: Boise St, San Diego St, BYU, and TCU. There's no chance the last two ever come back; the first two are up for debate.

Charlotte couldn't have "remained" independent. NCAA rules at the time (and technically, still in effect in spite of Liberty's waiver) required an invitation from a FBS conference. Charlotte's only option may have been to replace Temple in the MAC or stay FCS and join the CAA or Big South. This of course speaks nothing of Coastal Carolina who playing Sun Belt football this fall. The emergency option would be an eastern wing of the WAC, presumably joining UMass there.

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(06-09-2017 01:17 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Yeh, right, forgot AAC is power conference, if TCU had not gone, SMU and UH would be in MW, BYU would still be Indy.


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Houston had no interest in the MWC. It even turned down an invite if some rumors are to be believed. Houston likes playing in central/eastern time zone based conferences. Only an invite from the Pac-X could change that.

Houston was never formally invited, the MW had talked with then, UTEP, SMU, and Rice but it never happened. Wichita wanted in but MW said no due to football. The MW made a mistake on that one.


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(06-09-2017 09:33 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 09:00 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 08:33 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 08:18 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  The irony in this is that, that's how TCU got into the Big 12 to begin with.

Yeah, we'd have TCU in the American right now. That'd be nice for sure. Good thing for ECU that they moved on. They were the last team in.

FAKE NEWS. Tulsa was the last team in. I think ECU would have been in this conference even with TCU. Tulsa or Tulane would have been left out.

I'm pretty sure Tulsa and Tulane were invited all-sports at the same time ECU was invited FB-only. That says to me ECU was last on the list. If there was an earlier announcement I don't remember, please correct me.

Nope. ECU was invited before Tulsa.

(06-09-2017 11:31 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 10:56 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 08:33 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 08:18 AM)Mestophalies Wrote:  The irony in this is that, that's how TCU got into the Big 12 to begin with.

Yeah, we'd have TCU in the American right now. That'd be nice for sure. Good thing for ECU that they moved on. They were the last team in.

If they weren't admitted to B12, they would still be in MW.

Also fake news TCU already had accepted an invite the Big East. They would have picked the conference with UConn, Cincinnati, and Texas members over Mountain West

Hmmm...then why did they leave us (CUSA) for the MWC in 2005?
In January 2004, TCU accepted an invitation to the MWC leaving CUSA and now AAC members:
ECU
Houston-Texas member and old SWC rival.
SMU-Texas member and old SWC rival.
Tulsa
UCF
Tulane
Memphis
CUSA quickly replaced TCU with UTEP.
In October 2010, after the MWC lost Utah and BYU, TCU accepted an all sports invite to join the Big East with:
Pitt
West Virginia
Syracuse
Louisville
Rutgers
USF
Uconn
Cincinnati
And hoops members: Georgetown, Notre Dame, St Johns, Villanova, Providence, Seton Hall, Marquette & Depaul. Only 3 of the 16 members remain and they are Uconn, Cincinnati & USF. TCU does the Boise thing and stays in the MWC based on what they did in 2004 IMHO.

(06-09-2017 08:14 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Houston was never formally invited, the MW had talked with then, UTEP, SMU, and Rice but it never happened. Wichita wanted in but MW said no due to football. The MW made a mistake on that one.


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No conference is ever going to offer a formal invite if they don't think the answer is yes. It's bad PR. Houston was discussed as a travel partner for TCU. But Houston is firmly against being in western-based conferences for the long travel and late TV starts and that's why it firmly turned down the WAC-16, with Tulsa taking its place.

(06-09-2017 06:22 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  

(06-09-2017 03:28 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  You're forgetting about WVU. Had A&M and Missouri not gone to the SEC they would still be in the American/Big East too. I'm imagining the league would something like this for football:

EAST: UConn, Temple, WVU, Cincy, UCF, USF
WEST: Memphis, TCU, Houston, & FB onlys Navy, Boise St, and San Diego St

If Tulane was truly the straw that broke the camel's back then maybe the C7 would still be in the league but if not they still have 9 all-sports members and that's enough. San Diego St and Boise St park their Olympic sports in the Big West as planned and all is well. Maybe you coax BYU and Air Force or Air Force and Army to join as FB affiliates.

SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, and ECU stay in C-USA. C-USA still adds LA Tech, ODU, and FIU to return to 12. UNT (blocked by SMU), FAU, MTSU, and WKU all stay in the Sunbelt. Charlotte remains Indy in FB, A-10 for Olympics.

The SBC isn't hit nearly as hard. They select GA St, UTSA, and Texas St to be a 12 team FB league w/ UALR as their oddball.

The MWC still adds San Jose St and Utah St but leaves Idaho and NMSU out in the cold for at least a few years in hopes that they can lure back some of their lost big fish: Boise St, San Diego St, BYU, and TCU. There's no chance the last two ever come back; the first two are up for debate.

Charlotte couldn't have "remained" independent. NCAA rules at the time (and technically, still in effect in spite of Liberty's waiver) required an invitation from a FBS conference. Charlotte's only option may have been to replace Temple in the MAC or stay FCS and join the CAA or Big South. This of course speaks nothing of Coastal Carolina who playing Sun Belt football this fall. The emergency option would be an eastern wing of the WAC, presumably joining UMass there.

FCS independent. That was what they were originally planning on doing until the C-USA invite came.