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RE: UK election results
(06-09-2017 08:58 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(06-09-2017 08:49 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(06-09-2017 07:28 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Midterms in the US are going to be brutal for Republicans if they don't change, and they won't.

That sounds like the exact same song we heard in 2016. Just replace midterms, and it's exactly the same song. I didn't pay the piper then, and I'm sure not going to pay the piper now.

By change, I mean actually paying attention to what Trump voters were voting to have done...and do it.

Right now they appear to be slow-walking Trump. That will get them low turnout and loss of control.

In other words, midterms wont be brutal for "republicans", however, the primaries could be brutal for some of the republican obstructionists.
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RE: UK election results
(06-09-2017 10:02 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  
(06-09-2017 08:58 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(06-09-2017 08:49 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  
(06-09-2017 07:28 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Midterms in the US are going to be brutal for Republicans if they don't change, and they won't.

That sounds like the exact same song we heard in 2016. Just replace midterms, and it's exactly the same song. I didn't pay the piper then, and I'm sure not going to pay the piper now.

By change, I mean actually paying attention to what Trump voters were voting to have done...and do it.

Right now they appear to be slow-walking Trump. That will get them low turnout and loss of control.

In other words, midterms wont be brutal for "republicans", however, the primaries could be brutal for some of the republican obstructionists.

Could be both. They are have the same brand.
06-09-2017 10:34 AM
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RE: UK election results
(06-09-2017 07:19 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  Be very careful linking anything from Speisa - they are known to be deliberate in spreading infactual anti-Muslim news.

Thanks hustle. I was unfamiliar with speisa. I have read similar reports on other outlets the past few years though. Hopefully all false?
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RE: UK election results
(06-09-2017 07:33 AM)Hood-rich Wrote:  I'm floored by this news.

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May is a weak liberal. Its like voting for Hillary or Bernie. UK is pretty fricked.
Remember this is how the brits handle politics

https://youtu.be/bOnRHAyXqYY
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RE: UK election results
(06-09-2017 10:36 AM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  
(06-09-2017 07:19 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  Be very careful linking anything from Speisa - they are known to be deliberate in spreading infactual anti-Muslim news.

Thanks hustle. I was unfamiliar with speisa. I have read similar reports on other outlets the past few years though. Hopefully all false?

Speisa is actually an aggregation news site from what I understand, so for all I know there might be some true stories that appear there. But considering they have been cited as far back as 2015 for pushing false stories (before the "fake news" phenomenon truly took hold as we know it), I would be very wary of that particular site.
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RE: UK election results
(06-09-2017 09:55 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  
(06-09-2017 07:29 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  
(06-09-2017 05:31 AM)fsquid Wrote:  No major gains she lost seats. She'll have to resign.

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She already said she's not resigning.. but rather will be leading a "coalition of government".. whatever the heck that means.

It means she finds a minor party with enough seats to put her and the conservatives over the top... Most UK governments through the years have been coalitions... Typically in the UK it's hard to have a majority of seats. This is as close to a "two party" election as I've ever seen.

May and her party went stupid on internet control in the last weeks, and that really hurt them. Huge unforced errors but she will remain in power and Brexit will still happen

Actually, until Cameron's coalition with the Liberal Democrats, there hadn't been a coalition since the unity government during WW2. Coalitions are, actually, rather uncommon in the UK, and they've never had a party without a plurality form a government through a coalition. There's only been 5 coalition governments in UK history and 3 of those are related to WW1 and WW2.

The coalition deal is much more common on the Continent, and Israel especially comes to mind as a place where there will be 3+ parties in a single coalition.
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RE: UK election results
Its rather surprising that there have not been more coalition governments looking at things on paper, but then of course how things are now are not how they have always been.

From my limited knowledge that I have picked up, here is what I can gather.

There are 2 main parties, the Conservatives and the Labour,

Then there are the Liberal Democrats, who seem to be akin to a Pennsylvania (Union) Democrat in America as opposed to the Berkeley/Northeast Democrats that occupy the Labour Party. They have been rising as of late and in 2010 they formed a coalition with the Conservatives to give them the majority, but the 2015 election resulted in a total crash and burn for them. This put them back in the ranks with the other Third parties like the Green Party (super liberal) and UKIP (a nationalist UK party who was formed solely to get a Brexit).

After these 3rd parties there are also a bunch of Regional Parties that only run in certain parts of the UK. The biggest of these by far is the SNP of Scotland, a left wing party who wants Scotland out of the UK and an independent nation in the EU. The next biggest appear to be the DUP (right wing) and Sinn Fein (left wing) both of Northern Ireland. While DUP appears to be willing to work with the Conservative party, Sinn Fein abstains any seats that they win, thus any seats they win simply get thrown out for the sake of determining a majority. Finally there is Wales and the Plaid Cymru, a Left wing Wales nationalist party.

So outside of the DUP the right wing of Britain is fairly organized under the Conservative party, especially now that UKIP is pretty much no more since they got the Brexit they wanted.

The left wing of Britain though is far from unified due to all of these left wing nationalist parties and from what I can gather the thought of Labour and the SNP ever having to work together is very distasteful.

One other oddity is Conservative uses Blue and Labour uses Red. That takes some getting used to.

When you vote in the UK you vote for the MP (Member of Parliament) for your district and the party that can form a majority of MP's, 326 gets to pick the Prime Minister. A MP can win the election with a plurality so the conservatives have kind of a natural advantage, IMO, as there are so many left wing nationalist parties in all the different countries in the UK.

I think an easy way to explain it would be the party that controlled the House got to pick the president; therefore, people tend to care way more about the party than the person running, which is something our founding fathers absolutely found dreadful.
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RE: UK election results
(06-09-2017 11:53 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  Actually, until Cameron's coalition with the Liberal Democrats, there hadn't been a coalition since the unity government during WW2. Coalitions are, actually, rather uncommon in the UK, and they've never had a party without a plurality form a government through a coalition. There's only been 5 coalition governments in UK history and 3 of those are related to WW1 and WW2.

The coalition deal is much more common on the Continent, and Israel especially comes to mind as a place where there will be 3+ parties in a single coalition.

Thanks for setting me straight on that, I had thought that in the UK a majority was pretty rare, but I might have been thinking of the popular vote.
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(06-09-2017 02:39 PM)solohawks Wrote:  One other oddity is Conservative uses Blue and Labour uses Red. That takes some getting used to.

That's a pretty standard arrangement around the world. Socialists/Labour almost always adopts red as their preferred color and by default most conservative movements use blue. The Democrats adopting blue has more to do with Cold War politics and the Dems wanting to distance themselves from the Communist. It really didn't come into common usage until the late 80's early 90's when TV graphics became a huge staple of media broadcasts. Of course, their buddies in the media helped them out by not assigning the Dems red like most socialist parties use.
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