(06-08-2017 08:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Primarily because of people like you who absolutely hate law enforcement

Oh yes, I hate my uncle, my dad, and my friends. I hate these officers so much that I don't think they deserve to lose career and freedom. I'm just a damn hater!

(06-08-2017 08:21 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 08:13 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 08:07 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 08:05 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 08:00 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  If it had been the actual suspect, people wouldn't have near the problem with it. And that's a problem.

This is not totally the officers fault. They are trained to concern themselves primarily with officer safety and that means snuffing out any possible resistance immediately. In this case, getting the kneeling suspect into a prone position so he could be controlled. You have to fix the training.

Its like training them to get behind a car without the occupant knowing....to not move.....and to consider the car going into reverse a deadly threat. That's just asking for a shooting incident.

My training would be...put a stinger spike strip behind the tires and a GPS locator on the trunk and then if the reverse lights come on....just step out of the way. They ain't going far.

So if the hypothetical suspect in question just happens to back the car up and the hypothetical officer just happens to get run over, then tough sh*t right?

Whatever man. I don't know why I bother. Just keep training them the way you are training them and then when they make a mistake like the burning man you can watch the public demand their imprisonment and careers.

Don't get mad at me when I spot a gaping hole in your scenario so big you could drive a Cadillac through. Your views on LEO's are well known to this board.

Oh yes. I must be anti-LEO because I don't support the status quo. I'm against my police relatives and friends. Bad old me.

You've confirmed the bolded in the past. So you can stuff your phony indignation.

I happen to notice you failed to mention the gaping hole in your scenario that I pointed out. You were certainly angry about that and now almost 20 minutes later...crickets.

(06-08-2017 08:31 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  People want to put these guys in jail and take their careers.

But the primary goal is to remove the threat to themselves and fellow officers from a violent suspect. The fire on the guy is not primary at that point...officer safety is paramount at that point. Getting the violent suspect from his knees to prone, by force, so he could be controlled and remove the danger was paramount.

Really, the only thing these guys did that badly was misidentify the suspect in the midst of an inferno. Oops.

I have to disagree with that. I totally understand the "remove the threat to themselves and fellow officers from a violent suspect" But this guy was not violent at all. He is on his hands and knees in pain. The police did not give any verbal warnings to get down or lay down. The just ran up and kicked him. So yea they did more that just misidentify the suspect.

(06-08-2017 08:34 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 08:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Primarily because of people like you who absolutely hate law enforcement

Oh yes, I hate my uncle, my dad, and my friends. I hate these officers so much that I don't think they deserve to lose career and freedom. I'm just a damn hater!

You've said in the past that you've told your uncle, dad and friends, getting home alive was not part and parcel of their job description. Or, were you lying then and not now?

(06-08-2017 08:42 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 08:34 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(06-08-2017 08:26 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  Primarily because of people like you who absolutely hate law enforcement

Oh yes, I hate my uncle, my dad, and my friends. I hate these officers so much that I don't think they deserve to lose career and freedom. I'm just a damn hater!

You've said in the past that you've told your uncle, dad and friends, getting home alive was not part and parcel of their job description. Or, were you lying then and not now?

I said that it was not their primary mission when I was told it was. Which is a bit different from how you characterize it (shocker).

They did not join up to be "safe". Being "safe" is best achieved by not being police, fire, soldier...if safety is your primary mission.

(06-08-2017 06:25 PM)pcm0103 Wrote:  Really uncalled for. Even if they thought he was the suspect they were chasing why would you start kicking him while he is on his knees?


https://www.google.com/amp/wtvr.com/2017...crash/amp/

Looks to me like they were trying to stomp out the flames. These cops should be getting a commendation for saving his life.